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Brexit 2019 and Poland



Atch
12 Sep 2020  #3,181

s not exactly an authority on USA foreign policy.

It's got nothing to do with USA foreign policy. It's to do with the mood of Congress and the fact that there is an Irish-American lobby within it which straddles both Democrat and Republican. Also, America played a significant part in bringing about the GFA. It's quite a feather in their diplomatic cap and they won't like to see it 'dissed'. The chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, which has the power to block a trade deal, is Richard Neal who was involved in drafting the Good Friday Agreement.

uk doesn't have an intertest in undrermainidng the Good Feeder agreement

The Brits don't give a flip about NI and never have. It's an almighty nuisance to them and they'd love to be rid of it but they're stuck with it.

IF they have too chose between a deal with USA and NI

To be honest, I'm not sure you understand what's going on. They have to respect the terms of the Good Friday Agreement and not do anything to undermine the peace in NI or they won't get the trade deal. The choice they have is to respect the Withdrawal Agreement they signed with the EU including the NI protocol, thus paving the way for a US trade deal, or reject it, jeopardize stability in NI and lose the USA trade deal.

Ironside
12 Sep 2020  #3,182

To be honest, I'm not sure you understand what's going on.

I do that why I have said what I said in all I should have said that it is a moot point as they will not jeopardize stability in NI and deal with USA.

pawian
13 Sep 2020  #3,183

UK starts to look like very unreliable, flimsy ally.

Is it all Boris`s fault or he is just a pawn played by other forces in the UK? Or abroad?

cms neuf
14 Sep 2020  #3,184

It's Boris fault - he ran an election campaign based on his deal and once elected he pushed it through parliament very quickly.

Lenka
14 Sep 2020  #3,185

Is it all Boris`s fault or he is just a pawn played by other forces in the UK?

Definitely UK's political class. It was a hard task to start with and they made a right mess out of it. Downplaying the difficulties, playing secrets, not preparing for negotiations, rushing through the last phase...

jon357
16 Sep 2020  #3,186

Definitely UK's political class.

And those who funded the relentless PR campaign about it. A small number of people will become very rich due to 'brexit', most will see a significant reduction in living standards over the coming years/decades.

As one of the characters in the excellent 'Years and Years' said (thinking about Farage, Johnson etc): "Beware those men. The jokers and the tricksters and the clowns. They will laugh us into hell."

pawian
16 Sep 2020  #3,187

As one of the characters in the excellent 'Years and Years' said: "Beware those men.

Do you think this one also applies to them?? And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.

jon357
16 Sep 2020  #3,188

And many false prophets will arise

That's more or less a permanent prophecy, however right now, the love of many is getting distinctly chilly in a few countries.

johnny reb
29 Sep 2020  #3,189

To be honest, I'm not sure you understand what's going on.

It looks like the tide may be turning now that the people have had time to hash this over.
It was pushed thru way to fast without examining it at all angles as the polls are now showing.
It was an unknown and needed mush more time to make a justified decision.

msn.com/en-us/news/world/support-for-brexit-is-collapsing-as-poll-finds-shrinking-minority-of-british-people-still-back-leaving-the-eu/ar-BB19x4uY?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=msedgdhp

pawian
29 Sep 2020  #3,190

support-for-brexit-is-collapsing-

Now it is too late. But nothing is ordained to last for ever - after 10, 15 years, they can apply for the membership again. Why not?

Ziemowit
29 Sep 2020  #3,191

Must this cursed island be anchored so close to the continent? Let her drift away towards the North Pole and the problem of the NI border with the Republic of Ireland will become much less severe ...

pawian
29 Sep 2020  #3,192

Let her drift away towards the North Pole

Hmm, with 1 million Poles stuck on it? We will still need them....

Ziemowit
29 Sep 2020  #3,193

Most of them will never return. Their offspring are on the path of becoming British people. [Strangely enough, I was myself on that path many years ago.]

pawian
29 Sep 2020  #3,194

Most of them will never return

Spike vows he will return.

I was myself on that path many years ago.]

Until you realised it was the path to perdition. Spiiiiike! You hear it????

mafketis
16 Oct 2020  #3,195

Apparently Boris Johnson has had enough and has now called for a no-deal Brexit...

This immediately brought about appeals for more negotiations..... though by all accounts the EU doesn't negotiate it states its position at the beginning and waits for the other side to accept it completely....

How will this affect Poland and Poles resident in the UK?

dolnoslask
16 Oct 2020  #3,196

Poles resident in the UK?

They are best off coming back here, the UK will become a $hit hole, capital flight will drain its life blood , Britain will become the sick man of Europe AGAIN !!!!!!!, I remember the last time this occurred Ha ha ha ha ha, it serves them right .

Lenka
16 Oct 2020  #3,197

Boris Johnson has had enough and has now called for a no-deal Brexit...

He went to elections with the real he made so it's kind of ridiculous...

jon357
16 Oct 2020  #3,198

He went to elections with the deal he made

His 'oven-ready' deal.

And meanwhile the poor get poorer and the disaster capitalists make a fast buck.

mafketis
16 Oct 2020  #3,199

His 'oven-ready' deal.

Wasn't that just for the preliminary exit? The specifics were supposed to be ironed out by the end of the year but it takes two to tango....

This is probably negotiation hardball to knock some head into the heads of the French (who still want unrestricted access to UK territorial waters which seems like a non-starter).

Spike31
16 Oct 2020  #3,200

Spiiiiike! You hear it

Calm down. I did not apply for British citizenship or any other citizenship for that matter. My Polish passport is enough for me.

And yes, I'm attached to Poland not only by my Polish nationalism - which may not convince you - but also by financial investments I made in Warsaw :-)

You can't deny that such a powerful duo: heart + wallet is hard to beat.

jon357
16 Oct 2020  #3,201

Wasn't that just for the preliminary exit?

He made speeches about how they had a deal ready, how no-deal was never a possibility etc. etc.

And unfortunately, slightly too many people believed him.

access to UK territorial waters

The Tories signed the fishing contracts aside from the EU (and fisheries are a tiny, tiny sector). There are far bigger issues than this.

dolnoslask
16 Oct 2020  #3,202

capitalists make a fast buck.

HaHa they are leaving in droves, they are registering their interests in Europe , UK is soon to become what Mexico is to the USA.

pawian
16 Oct 2020  #3,203

Ha ha ha ha ha, it serves them right .

Hey, that is the country of your birth, it nurtured and offered you a lot of opportunities, in result you were able to accumulate enough dough to buy a property in Poland and enjoy life without working a single day anymore. It is sad you are shytting on it now.

It seems you are seriously torn - you don`t feel British anymore but you still aren`t Polish. Be careful, such conditions may easily develop into schizophrenia. Is that why you drink so heavily????

not only by my Polish nationalism - which may not convince you

It does, it does - I know some of those nationalists can be tough guys

dolnoslask
16 Oct 2020  #3,204

It is sad you are shytting on it now.

They voted and shat on themselves!!! , anyway as I was told was just a white ***.

Yeah I had fantastic opportunities but the majority of my wealth was generated from business in Europe USA, China ,Asia and Dubai.

I was Always UK resident and paid ALL the relevant taxes.

Given my family history WWII etc I have always been a strong believer that a united Europe was key to peace and shared prosperity.

Britain has chosen to leave and entrench itself in the belief that they will be more prosperous, and of course stop those bloody foreigners coming in to steal their jobs lol lol lol lol.

Hey my parents had no home to go to after the war, my father paid his dues fighting in the British army ( 7 years), I have every right to choose to return to my family roots and buy what was once taken away.

jon357
16 Oct 2020  #3,205

HaHa they are leaving in droves, they are registering their interests in Europe ,

The money's offshore anyway. Most of the actual disaster capitalists are hanging around to make a fast buck from misfortune.

Won't be great for Poland either given the level of exports and outsourcing.

dolnoslask
16 Oct 2020  #3,206

disaster capitalists

You hit the nail on the head , even I am thinking about it, it serves the brits right for voting on the basis of greed and Insularism

JacekthePole
2 Dec 2020  #3,207

@dolnoslask
So Brits were warned time and time again that there would be economic armageddon if they voted to leave, yet they did so. So how is their vote to leave based on greed?

Also insularism is so basic an analysis of brexit. if we want to come up with one word to analyse why then clearly for me it's ''sovereignty'' or in simple terms ''control''. Whether it's control over immigration, control over legislation, control over finances, control over fisheries and domestic policy. It all comes back to the same thing. Whether that makes Britain more prosperous is an aside, as regardless of the fact all the evidence said there was a high risk of Britain being poorer, large numbers still voted to leave. I.e. they were willing to take the risk of being poorer to take back control.

The Tories signed the fishing contracts aside from the EU (and fisheries are a tiny, tiny sector). There are far bigger issues than this.

Regardless it's an emotive topic that gets to the very heart of the ''control'' point i made in response to @dolnoslask.

Why would a sovereign country give completely free access to it's natural resources? When the EU signed an agreement with the Faroe islands did they get universal access to fish? Or did they agree to negotiate annual quotas similar to what the UK asked for?

Of course the faroes chose the latter, which is also the UK position.

mafketis
2 Dec 2020  #3,208

Why would a sovereign country give completely free access to it's natural resources?

Some people thing there should be no such thing as sovereignty and that natural resources belong equally to all... I don't agree with either idea but lots of people do to varying degrees... so for them it's why do the individuals living in the place called England want to claim what belongs to everyone in the name of an evil ideology that causes wars....

JacekthePole
2 Dec 2020  #3,209

The Brits don't give a flip about NI and never have.they'd love to be rid of it .

The only problem is that i'm not sure the Irish gov does either.

@mafketis
So on that basis, if the EU were to sign a FTA with the ''Democratic'' republic of the Congo, part of that would be that they could go set up mines and plunder all their copper? Fish is no different in principal,

Also it's amazing that people who support the ideology of ''no borders'' are such big fans of the EU, which has some of the most aggressive and militarised borders like Cueta or Greece. Do people think through what they believe in these days? I really don't think so.

mafketis
2 Dec 2020  #3,210

people who support the ideology of ''no borders'' are such big fans of the EU, which has some of the most aggressive and militarised borders

Very true... The problem is that it's very impolite to notice that large swaths of humanity are really bad at creating societies that people want to live in.

In a sense the migration crisis is about supply and demand. There's lots more demand for living in a European style society than there is supply... and not much demand at all to live in the Middle East or Africa... A lot of Algerians don't want to be French or become French but they prefer to be governed by the French rather than other Algerians and so they move to France.... that's a huge problem and pretending it doesn't exist is an even bigger one...


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