Brexit 2019 and Poland

Usually, it's not the count. It's the color.

They are going complain, but what is up with the Brits and the crooked discolored teeth? It seems like they refuse to brush, its really nasty looking.

I thought it was a stereotype, but perhaps not? lol

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Brexit is good. Brexit will make Poland and Serbia turn to each others, as it is proper, without sinister British meddling.

You don't even know who that second picture is of, do you joker? An airbrushed picture, because for obvious reasons the chap wasn't very popular.


Would you put money on that? I love a gamble, but Johnson's future is unstable at best.
Decent personality? You mean, he's a jolly chap?

So Johnny, as you often expound on Christian topics, does that make you some defrocked minister??

Seems as if it's going to be No Deal and he won't last long if that happens. He's been trying to work his questionable charm on the EU leaders over the last few days (whilst ignoring Leo Varadkar, very rude that), saying he won't sit down at the table with the EU unless the backstop goes. But Macron's mate Natalie L'Oiseau has made it clear that it's not going anywhere, so that's that.

Even his own parliamentary party despise him. The SamCam/BoJo revelations (when they're published, superinjunction or no) won't play well with middle England either.


That's the opposite of Johnson.

this is seeming more reasonable now, for a looooooong time I assumed the backstop was somehow part of the good friday agreement... but now I find out it was essentially an EU invention with the express purpose of making brexit more difficult.

@mafketis


No one ever claimed that. The backstop was proposed to uphold the spirit of the GFA (frictionless border) upon which the whole agreement is based on.


It was invented to safeguard the interests of Ireland, one of the EU member states, whose agreement London needs for any future deal with the EU. It is not like this was a completely unpredictable occurence, there were plenty of people who warned before 2016 that Brexot would endanger the British-Irish border, but they were dismissed by the Brexiteers.

I'd sort of assumed that (like many others I'm sure) it wasn't until I found out (while working on a translation of a paper dealing with EU policy*) that 'backstop' is EU lingo for rules designed to make something more difficult...


I think by now, it's more of a hindrance and Ireland and the UK could relatively easily find a solution on their own without involving the rest of the EU...

*the most depressing translation I've ever worked on, just miles and miles of repetitive and confusing bureaucratic jargon... completely alienating

Ireland is the most pro EU country there is - please do more research if you dont want to appear foolish. There is no question of Ireland doing "something" independent of the EU - and it clearly would never wish to either.

Read your history.

During early negotiations the Irish border issue was raised - the UK discussed a backstop first and both sides agreed they would come to the next meeting with suggested wording.

In the event the Brits turned up unpreparedwithiut their suggested wording and so the EU wording was adopted and agreed by May who did not think through the consequences at home.

Crappy and incompetent British politicians.... let me put on my shock face.


An opponent of Brexit sabotaging the process.... will wonders never cease?

No they can not, because of 2 reasons:

1. The Irish-British border would also be the border to the EU, thereby affecting the EU as a whole.

2 Ireland has no interest in negotiating with London alone, because of its' smaller size. It wants the cloud of the EU as backup.

People that don't want a solution will never come up with or accept a solution. Ireland and the EU can't have it both ways and they can't have the right to stop brexit. So negotiation is the way forward.

I fail to see what on earth it has to do with you. BREXIT doesn't affect you in any way, so why the interest?

All apart from the fact that you are clearly ignorant of the myriad questions.

BREXIT simply represents the final attempt by a majority of Great Britain to sever the umbilical cord linking it
with the European Continent in the form of the EU.

A majority of England and Wales. Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to remain.
How many more times............

Scotland abstained, as I remember.
Nonetheless, it looked as though Farage in particular tapped into a deep-seated resentment
among many Brits concerning "Mother Hen Bruxelles" overseeing what England was doing!

Sorry? Scotland voted heavily to remain in the EU. What are you talking about?

Ah, yes, of course! It must have slipped my mind. Thank you, Dougpol.
Northern Ireland was no surprise either, as they've always sided with England, and as
England goes, so goes the nation:-)

May did not try to actively sabotage it - rather she was stuck between two of her core constituencies - hard right Tories and Northern Irish Protestant nutcases. She needed both of them to stay in power and so kicked the can down the road and was not honest about the consequences

Boris is in the same position - but with an even smaller majority ( it will be down to one by next week meaning he is hostage to everyone who wants a new hospital or bypass road

The poor outcomes of Brexit are not the fault of the EU or Ireland but of the people who voted for it

Northern Ireland voted to remain in the EU ;) It was Wales who voted leave.


If it's that easy, suggest something.

I have repeatedly, but people who don't want there to be a solution will find them unacceptable.

Go back to border controls between Ulster and the republic

Institute border controls between Ulster and the rest of the UK

My favored tactic would to be throw it back to the EU "We're leaving on Oct 31 come hell or high water, for the time being the UK has no intention of instituting border controls between the two parts of Ireland. If you have a problem with that then suggest something else...."

Sorry Maf but you are getting delusional. You blame everything on EU. As a Pole and citizen of EU country why should I go out of my way and forget my interests just because Brits decided to leave?

And your border solution- since neither side wants that situation it doesn't sound like much of a solution, does it?

Thank you for referring to it as a solution! More of that!


There's 20 some odd more countries you could go to.... why such a hard on about the UK?


I live in the EU and have an active interest in not subverting democracy.... at this point not leaving is tantamount to admitting (or celebrating) the fact that voting is an empty ceremony that is not supposed to have any effect on policy...

Once you start down the road of trying to set aside votes that you don't agree with you make it impossible to protest when a vote you do agree with is set aside...

I don't give a rat's @ss about the UK or Ireland... but care a lot about democracy which is more important in the long term.

So therefore you should be concerned about the democratic rights of those countries/regions which voted "Remain". Northern Ireland voted to remain in the EU, Scotland voted to remain in the EU - what about their rights?

I really do find it hard to believe that you, an educated, intelligent person, could be so stupid and lacking in empathy, as to fail to understand the difficulties of the Irish border in its historical context. You should join the Tory party.

Your idea is not a solution - it is not acceptable to the Northern Irish, the UK, the EU or the Republic. Even the US wpuld oppose it.

Some people say that the mark of a good negotiation is that all parties leave a bit unhappy - in your case the parties would leave reaching for the AK-47s again

It was a countrywide referendum.... Scotland and Ulster and Wales and England are all part of one country... if Scotland and Ulster want to leave the UK after Brexit (and have hard border controls with the UK) then fine let Brussels carry them. I'm all in favor of Scotland redoing their independence vote as often as they want (like Quebec).


Believe it!!!!!

I'll amend my statement. If both sides want to solve the problem then it will be solved. If one side is categorically against any solution (beyond setting aside the referendum result) then it's unsolveable...

Do you want a solution (that respects the result of the referendum)? If so, then what would that be?

Its up to the Brexit politicians to find the solution - they caused the problem and during the campaign said exit would be smooth and make the UK richer

Rest of us are perfectly justified sitting on our backsides and waiting for them to deliver the things they promised would be easy.