Brexit 2019 and Poland

People who don't want a solution will not find any solution acceptable.....

What happens if the UK just doesn't do anything about the Irish border... what's the problem?

Now, that's an interesting question. Suppose they leave without any agreement ... the border question still lingers on!

If that is the case, the EU should make the Republic of Ireland set up a regular border with the UK (Northern Ireland). If Donal Trump had a vote in it, he would have advocated building a wall between RI and NI. If the Republic of Irelend refuses, the EU should kick the Republic of Ireland out of the EU.

Problem solved and class dismissed! [No pop-corn, please]

Don't know about the kicking out but EU will need some border. Brits should want it too as a big part of the Brexit was taking back control.

Why would I, an Irish person, be interested in respecting the result of the UK's decision to leave the EU? However, as an Irish person I certainly have an interest in respecting the wishes of my fellow Irishmen who live in Northern Ireland. I also have an interest in maintaining peace on our island.


I assume that you also Ziem are being deliberately thick. I'm not amused.

Those of you being so flippant about the border didn't live in Ireland during the Troubles, as I did and even in the Republic, they cast a shadow. I'm an Anglophile, love England, like English people,both my maternal and paternal family have served in the British Army and the RAF, but I didn't want British soldiers on Irish soil and I don't want a border of any kind on Irish soil again. Ireland is one country and there is no place for a fake border dividing our land and our people.

@Maf, in what way do you mean 'closer'??

Is the UK-Ireland border closer to French Guiana-Brazil Border or the Sweden-Norway border?

People who don't want solutions will not help find solutions and will not find any solution acceptable. They should be ignored...

Are you being deliberately obtuse, or just enjoying aggravating the Irish/ British posters here? I didn't think you were one of such posters. Atch has already explained in the simplest terms that the Irish border question is a unique one in Europe, and the UK and the EU recognise that

But we have Mafketis, the forum "democrat", babbling on about some uniltaeral solution?
That way leads to a renewal of the fighting - but that wouldn't affect you would it? - in your grey conservative little Polish enclave, where everyone is homogenously catholic and wants to "keep them out."

Do some reading on the Irish question as I said - you are making yourself look foolish.

Never again , we must not allow it

There are two solutions..... institute border controls or don't. Which do you want?

An Anglo-Irish all-out attack on Mafketis?

What can I say.... I'm a Uniter!

With all the understanding for the issue we have to realise that if Brexit happens the way BJ wants it the border will have to be somewhere. Whether one likes it or not

No border controls at the border (a seamless border, as before)

Sorry but that's not possible. Both EU and UK have to be able to do checks. Things can't just stay the same

I'm sure they're able to do checks now.... there's no such thing as a national border where border checks are actually prohibited. Both sides can agree to not exercise their ability to do checks pending further developments...

People who are actively against a solution won't find this acceptable of course...

Don't worry. They will stay the same. Brexit is not going to happen. IF Labour can get their act together, people will vote for revoking article 50.

Wales was never as pro-British as Northern Ireland though.

Absolutely correct.
This whole border issue is a "problem" invented by The EU to make negotiations more difficult.
Nobody wants a hard border between NI and The ROI.
So don't have one!
Put it in The Irish Sea.
For control of people, it is already necessary to show current id if you fly from London to Birmingham.
Raise id to passport and that will not inconvenience people.
Extend that to ferries too and again, no major inconvenience.
Just police it well.
That is the illegal immigrant problem sorted.
As for goods,unless the EU behave in a terribly beligerent manner, there will be few tarifs imposed.
Even then, The UK can either not impose tarifs going the other way or if they do impose them, it will be a tiny proportion of ROI goods imported into The UK.Again, causing minimum desruption.

Even then, most of the paperwork can be done, as it is now, before the goods reach the border.
A no deal Brexit will hurt The ROI much more than it will hurt The UK.
Nobody wants that.
If a hard border is imposed between NI and The ROI, it will not be The UK imposing it.
It will be The ROI doing it at the bequest of Brussels..... and at that point, Dublin will see sense.
As I have described above, there are simple solutions to this supposed problem, only staunch remainers want to ignore them.

Only staunch remainders plus the DUP, who by chance happen to have the votes that prop up the government.

Why would The DUP object to my proposal?

They are violently opposed to any border between in the Irish Sea and were promised by May that this would not happen - it was a precondition of them voting with the Tories (that and a whole bunch of taxpayers cash)

rte.ie/news/brexit/2018/1108/1009679-dup/

One of thousands of articles on their opposition

Too bad.
They will either have to suck it up or if they don't, Boris has to call an election and make them irrelevent again.
Their choice.

And if he loses that election ? There will be no Brexit full stop.

Even if he wins he could not put a border in the Irish Sea without losing Northern Ireland or maybe restarting the war.

For you Brexit types suck it up is your simple answer to any problem.

He would not lose.You are way out of touch with The UK.


Now you are either just scaremongering or being daft.

He might. The polls don't give him a big lead, and with Farage nicking votes from committed Leavers, it would open the door to Labour/Lib Dem/Green tactical voting. It's definitely not in his interest to go to the polls now.


It would be the simplest and easiest way to deal with it. NI staying in the Customs Union would help them, it would keep freedom of movement on the island and the checks between GB and NI wouldn't be that much of a big deal. Sod the DUP, they'd surely get support from some Labour Leavers anyway.

Wasn't one of the main reasons to leave that Britain wanted to "regain" control of her borders? So why is it the EU's problem now?

voteleavetakecontrol.org/boris_johnson_the_only_way_to_take_back_control_of_immigration_is_to_vote_leave_on_23_june.html

With 30 percent support in the polls there is no way he would win a majority - they might be the biggest party but would need to find a coalition partner and the DUP are still probably the only party who would consider propping up the Tories. He would certainly lose most of the dozen Scottish seats which means to get a majority he would need to take at least 30 English seats from Labour - not easy at all especially against a background of falling pound and factory closures

It might be many years before anyone gets an overall majority- Labour have lost Scotland and the Tories have lost their moderate and business wing.

How did you figure that one out?
If you go for hard brexit then everything will be subject to tarrifs.
If not then there's a deal ready and backstop .
Of course you may mean some new deal, and I don't think it will happen, then I would expect EU to protect EU interests not yours for Pete's sake. How on earth do Brits figure out that EU should give them access to the market besically just like that?


Let them, please! It will be like when May wanted bigger mandate and instead had to go for coalition. It will be golden :)

Not that simple Delph. The DUP is the public, political face of a certain kind of virulent Unionism. Loyalist paramilitary groups are the private, less acceptable face. If a border is created in the Irish Sea, the Loyalist paras will emerge from the long grass, no doubt about that.


Exactly. The thing that people overlook when discussing the border situation in such a casual manner, is that we're talking about a former war zone.

Actually, I think cms is pretty spot on with everything he's said so far. Milo, you told me back along on this thread when I said that Boris would make PM that I was wrong because the EU don't like Boris, and now he is PM. I would say that cms is more in touch with the reality than you are tbh, especially regarding the Irish border problem.

As others have said, Boris will not win a majority election.

It cuts both ways.The EU have more to lose than The UK here as The UK is a nett importer.
The biggest loser in a "tarif war" would be The ROI and The EU will not dare to let them down as the rest of Europe is watching.


Beacause of passport checks and a small handful of tarifs?
I think not.