Brexit 2019 and Poland

ignore it, if the UK doesn't mind having an open border there then why should the EU?

The alternative arrangements have been worked out and The EU are well aware of them.

brexitcentral.com/the-alternative-arrangements-are-now-codified-to-replace-the-irish-backstop-in-any-brexit-scenario/

Kind of my position from a tweet of all places...

"#Brexit has always been about exiting EU institutions. Now it's about something bigger.

It represents the simple & critical question: when I cast my vote will they listen, will the mandate be upheld?"

The answer is clearly: "Only when you vote the way that the political establishment wants"....

This is why Brexit has to happen.
For the sake of democracy in this country.
If it doesn't happen a very large percentage of people will never vote again.

That would suit remainers just find - total political marginalization, they already use dehumanizing language (the 'people's vote') but then what good do elections do anyway?

I'm on record saying it won't happen but I don't think the remainers will ultimately be happy with the result (complete lack of any voice within the EU - the new Greece!) and remaining won't stop austerity... and the population will be more bitterly divided since..... ever?

No - those arrangements have not been presented to the EU, that minister was sacked by Boris and no new proposals have been made

What is the sense of voting for parliament if clown Boris wants to shut it down for 5 weeks. LOL in any case you can add that to the list of things he can't manage. His core skills now down to adultery and speaking Latin

Not formally presented but they have read and reviewed them

"The EU is aware of these proposals and has not been able to fault them yet has not formally considered them as UK negotiators have not yet put them forward.

It's a matter of political will at the end of the day. We have expressed it, and the Government and its EU interlocutors must respond positively so we can achieve the sensible future relationship which respects the referendum result that we should all want.

Marcus Fysh is Conservative MP for Yeovil"

He wasn't referring to an election in the UK. He was referring to dropping the backstop in order to get a deal over the line by 31 October.

And no alternative arrangements have been presented.

Not formally but The EU is aware of them.

Oh yes, they have been able to fault them and no new/other alternative arrangements have been presented by Boris Johnson.

Now Boris' brother has bailed on him and quit. This is hilarious - either a Shakespeare tragedy or an Oscar Wilde farce

I wonder wether anyone really analysed it since being a third party proposal at the moment it has no standing. They would have to convince Boris to it. Doesn't seem they managed to do that.

And I don't follow it closely enough to know whether it was really presented and refused as Atch said but all I read was general , non descriptive sentences so I don't know how valid their proposal is

Miloslaw doesn't want to know when this government has lost the argument. The combined opposition can sell themselves as the parties who saved people's businesses from a no deal Brexit, and hopefully the Tories will not win a mandate - so, in other words, their pointless election solves nothing. Then the UK can Revoke Article 50 and stop all this anti-immigration nonsense.

Open the borders of the UK! Anyone anywhere in the world who wants to live in the UK should be allowed to!

Anything less is unacceptable British bigotry!

I didn't actually say it was presented and refused. As Milo says the EU would certainly have been aware of them, at least the broad outline of them and none of them pass muster under scrutiny. The official EU line is that if the UK can come up with alternative arrangements that achieve the same results as the backstop, great. The arrangements proposed by Prosperity UK don't achieve that result, therefore they're not suitable alternatives.

...not very consistent back in 2017 Juncker was suggesting that Ireland should join Schengen as soon as Brexit takes effect... clearly keeping an open border between the UK and Ireland was not a concern for him....

My suggestion: mostly ignore the border, maybe institute spot checks (as surely take place now) on an increased basis.... wait to see if problems occur.

You can't simply ignore the border between an EU and a non-EU state indefinitely. And there are no spot checks carried out now other than Irish police doing immigration checks on the Republic side by boarding buses or trains the odd time. They're basically checking for illegal immigrants from outside the EU. Exactly what spot checks do you propose, where would they take place, by whom and on what or whom?


Ancient history now Maf.

Mafeketis. There is nothing wrong with European FOM.
Millions have benefited, and so has UK GDP. It's a win-win situation. Or would have been, if the Tories hadn't been cutting essential services to the bone and contracting out most of the rest, with the result that people have to wait two weeks to see a doctor, and street crime is rampant.

But blame it all on those lazy criminal EU migrants.

I'm not that anal.... since when has Ireland been a strong uncertainty avoidance* country?

*en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_avoidance


If you think staying in the EU will reverse austerity... then..... keep on dreaming.

Labour will stop austerity, and Europe will help GDP. Also we get cheaper foodstuffs. Doesn't bother me personally at the moment, but why on earth would people vote to be worse off financially?

So basically you have no idea how your proposal would work - no flesh on the bones of the idea.

The idea would be to monitor the situation and wait for problems to occur rather than sketch out 17 different scenarios for each day of the week..

What does Ireland do if the UK doesn't do anything on the border?

Sorry, misunderstood you.


I wonder why all other borders in the world don't work that way..

What you're basically saying is, both the UK and Ireland should carry on as if Brexit never happened and if 'a problem' arises, deal with it when it happens..................I've never heard such unmitigated rubbish in my life. Oh wait now, I have, on the numerous occasions when you've previously suggested this so-called solution.


That remains to be seen. Obviously Ireland and the EU are talking about that but haven't reached any final conclusion. Btw even if the UK doesn't do anything, Ireland must as we're still in the EU.

Yeah, but they are going to do as little as possible too.

bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49587610

Whatever happens, the Irish border will remain pretty easily flowing.... nobody will impose a hard border.
This whole subject has just been an idiotic smokescreen, creating a problem that can easily be solved.

That speech this afternoon in front of the police was priceless. Love this public meltdown - still don't underestimate him LOL

Ahem, The Tories have just done that already, too late......

A Labour government under Corbyn or any radical left winger, is just not going to happen.
The British public understands that a Labour government right now will be ten times worse than your worst prediction of a no deal Brexit.
And Labour know this.Which is why Labour will not vote for an election.
They are shameful oportunists.... nothing more....and the General Public can see that too.

Wrong - nothing can be worse (or funnier) than this. Idiot Latin students trying to govern a modern country.

Next rite laff will be seeing the look on Boris's coupon when he loses his seat, hundreds of thousands of young voters are registering and the pensioners' Brexit vote will no longer matter

What was damning was when the policewoman collapsed, and he carried on woffling. This really is most excellent from the political side of things. The man is a walking disaster but I really am beginning to feel sorry for him. There is something wrong here - he is so clearly out of his depth and I worry about his mental health when it all hits home.

That's not the case. As I understand it, Labour will not vote for an election until the rebel bill to extend Article 50 has received royal assent and been passed into law, to ensure Boris doesn't pull any other dirty tricks, like switching the date of a proposed election to after October 31st.

BTW, did anyone else notice Boris being photobombed by a guy standing just behind him and interviewer Lara Kuenssberg in Morley yesterday? He raised a shopping bag in the background with ' nuttier than a fruit cake' on it..........says it all really!