Brexit 2019 and Poland

Well that is funny - Boris probably about to have the shortest reign in history- his first and last vote !

Yes cms. After his humiliating performance today, I cannot see Johnson getting a majority in a General election, as many Tory shires will vote against Brexit. And Labour voters will back off from Brexit because they can hear the Right wing braying and wont go for an extreme form of conservatism.

Johnson is almost dead in the water.

Miloslaw has gone rather quiet.....

Nah, I'm still here and the party is still on..... :-)

I think he did himself a lot of harm with his performance today. He didn't seem able to deal with parliamentary debate, and it's clear that he's not going to win tomorrow.

Had Boris knocked it out of the park and still lost, there would be an argument for him leading a minority government. But after that? He needs a majority or nothing.

They're suggesting now that the election could be a de facto referendum - the Tories would have a manifesto pledge to leave on the 31st, while other parties would be for a lengthy delay at a minimum.

Still, by far the most entertaining time in the Commons in years.

Milo, what's your take? I still believe Johnson can win a majority in the next month.

That's my take too, but he needs to get Farage on side.
That may be more tricky.
But either way, I still think Brexit will happen, one way or tbe other.

Farage is for WTO. Not Tory policy. The ERG will never vote for May's deal, Farage saying he would rather stay in the EU. Secret agent Nigel:)

His performance was pathetic - sixth form stuff. He didn't face proper debates during the leadership race and it's difficult to see how he can get through a long General election campaign which will also include plenty about his love life and general sense of being untrustworthy.

Doing a deal with Farage means having Farage in govt and that will lose moderate votes.

I think another hung parliament.

And it gets better. The chief whip is ringing round the 27 conservative rebels to tell them they are deselected. Hilarious news, as quite a few of them will be relected by their constituents as Independents - Hammond for one, and Soames I suspect.

Johnson is barking.
EDIT: 21 rebels...

Nah, a Tory majority.


I think he will shock you mate.....

We will see. I don't see what the opposition has to gain from voting for a General Election until after No deal is off the table for October 31st. I'm happy with some sort of deal.

Single market and freedom of movement will do for me:):)

Neither do I.
Because,right now, they will lose.

That's what the polls said in 2016. Here, there would be widespread tactical voting, and it's hard to say how that would pan out. So it's a risk for both sides. People aren't going to vote for a hard Brexit party though, so the conservatives would obviously have to change tack and reinvent themselves.

I'm not sure anymore. He was really struggling, and from a tactical point of view, it would make sense to keep him as PM while watching him struggle in the Commons. I believe he wins a snap election in October, I don't believe he wins at the beginning of next year once it becomes more and more difficult to govern.

The question now - does he stay as PM if the opposition refuse to go to the polls?

Oh Brave New World! I believe that Johnson does not win a snap election in October, maybe there is a hung parliament - because the general consensus seems to be that the British will not allow the utter nationalist nonsense that Poles are all too ready to accept by selling their souls for social handouts.

All this idiotic talk of spending by that eejit chancellor misses the whole point, which is that it is the Tories who are responsible for 10 years of austerity that helped to damage the fabric of British society. Therefore their transparent attempts at bribing the UK population will fall on deaf ears.

The fightback starts now and the Tories can go and do one. One very happy bunny this morning.

Hilarious Prime minister's Question Time today.
Johnson is completely out of his depth and is so clearly not PM material.

Maybe you can donate all the party food from your cancelled Brexit party to my party on 31st October Milo - which I am holding to celebrate Halloween and the UK not exiting the EU without a deal, which means we will in all likelyhood, at the very least, be staying in a customs union - not perfect by any means, but at least not the disaster that "no plans" Johnson is planning.

The UK is simply disgracing themselves... I used to think that Greece has the worst political culture in the EU but now.... it's not even close.

Th Parliament is a pack of clowns degrading themselves to override the results of 2016...

Pathetic country.... it needs the EU I guess cause it's completely incapable of self-government....

Not at all. Parliament is protecting the livelyhoods of ordinary people, who would suffer the loss of their businesses and homes if No deal was to be allowed. No one is saying that a deal can't be reached (which it wont be of course - because there is no majority for a compromise - other than staying in the Customs Union, as Ken Clarke suggested in June, but which was defeated in an advisory vote by just 3 votes)

is there any indication that the EU Would accept that?

Yes + That is basically the arrangement that Norway in Switzerland have

Completely in agreement.
These lunatics are shaming Great Britain and doing so much damage to our global reputation.
Unbelievable!!
We Just need to get out of The EU and set a different, free course.
We need to Fly like an Eagle.

youtu.be/YBjYjrc36VM

We won't be flying anywhere on 31st October

Don't underestimate Boris you said - So far his record is no votes won, four lost. He is as much of a clown as PM as he was before - The real disgrace to reputation and democracy is that this guy, voted in by 80,000 pensioners, is the PM.

Still Trump thinks he is doing OK

Won't solve the Irish border issue I'm afraid. The UK would need to stay in the single market as well.

Nothing will solve a problem when a solution is not wanted...

Yes we know! I was just stating the fact that Custom Union was the closest compromise vote. Ken Clarks' amendment...he is of sound mind, so shirley there must be 'something' in it?

You have hit the nail on the head there...........

We've discussed this before and you've learned nothing from those discussions. Also, it's obvious you've never listened to Simon Coveney (who's he, I hear you ask seeing as you know nothing about Ireland) speaking about our attitude to the border problem:

In an interview last weekend he explained that dropping the backstop now to deliver a UK domestic agenda would just mean storing up problems in Ireland for decades.

"I'm not going to pretend to people that we can do that for political convenience now to get a deal, and then find that Irish politics is dominated by the border issue indefinitely into the future. We're not doing that," he said.

"That is essentially transferring a problem that has been created by Brexit, by a decision by the UK, and transferring it to Ireland on a permanent basis, post-Brexit," he said.

Now, you may consider yourself wiser than Coveney and in a better position to advise the Irish government on how to proceed regarding the border, but the bottom line is that the man knows what he's talking about and the people of Ireland wholeheartedly concur. We understand our own country and the problems in Northern Ireland. We accept the reality of it.

The only real 'solution' to the Irish border problem is for Ireland to reunite and we're not ready to do that, north or south. Even if we were, it couldn't be achieved by 31 October and even if it could be, it shouldn't be done to facilitate the UK's domestic policy. It should be done for sound reasons based on the will of the people of the island of Ireland.

I've learned that many people don't want a solution for their own reasons


Elections.... such a problem, perhaps all decisions should be made by committees of experts who know what's best for us little people....

Yes,exactly.

But a few weeks ago Boris said this was an easy problem to fix - but he has not presented any new ideas. It is his mess and he has to fix it.