Brexit 2019 and Poland

I just cannot see a reason for that.

The fall in the value of the pound making imported food dearer - not complicated really

Oh now I realize you are talking about Polish food prices :) few reasons - weak zloty, increase in wages of retail workers and Sunday closing.

Really?
I can't say I have noticed that.
But you don't live here, so you have an "objective" but not an "educated" point of view.....

I read food prices went up in all Europe due to the Chinese prosperity which allows hundreds of millions to buy more and better food, especially meat.

Wages, mainly. There was a good article in Al-Jazeera about this - biznespolska.pl/poland-struggles-to-find-workers-as-unemployment-hits-28-year-low/

In short, Poles got used to cheap food on the basis of workers being exploited quite badly. Now that workers want paid fairly for the work that they do, the cost of fruit/vegetables has skyrocketed.

After a swine disease decimated its pig herd, Chinese demand is driving up beef, pork and poultry prices world-wide

wsj.com/articles/china-is-hungry-for-protein-and-the-global-steaks-are-high-11569236529

Strange, because I have not noticed any price increases in England.

Whats the deal with KFC in the UK? Im surprised ppl really eat this crap. I seen them all over Poland as well...Yikes!

I haven't been to KFC in over 20 years:)

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Don't know why but none of the other chicken places have taken off in Poland - no wing stop or Chick Fifa or Popeyes. I miss that but obviously the public does not.

London has plenty of its own home grown chicken places but outside London fried chicken is not so popular

The Brexit deal is now up for amendments. And whatever happens now, the UK will NOT be leaving on 31st October. That is guaranteed, however much Rees Mogg huffs and puffs.

Sorry about that Milo. You can have your xenophobe loving party some other time, probably sooner rather than later:(

I have skimmed the Withdrawal Bill, all 104 pages of it, and it's rich in detail on "Foreigner criminals".
Pathetic.

I have a ton of reservations about the site it comes from, but this article is pretty close to my thinking on Brexit

It's not going to happen and 99 % of remainers are deluded if they think that that will help them (or the UK or the EU)

zerohedge.com/political/brexit-parliament-tethers-britain-failing-experiment

I'm interested how the following was reported in the German media:

zerohedge.com/geopolitical/merkel-admits-german-multiculturalism-has-utterly-failed

Well...that was the old Merkel version from 2010....

reuters.com/article/us-germany-merkel-immigration/merkel-says-german-multiculturalism-has-failed-idUSTRE69F1K320101016

Today (2018) she has changed completely and says Islam belongs to Germany!

aa.com.tr/en/europe/german-chancellor-merkel-islam-belongs-to-germany/1090930

If there ever was a turncoat...definitely to long in power if you ask me!

Don't you even dare to call me a xenophobe.
Brexit for me has nothing to do with xenophobia.....
Anyway, it ain't over till the fat lady sings......
So shut up, she ain't sung yet...... :-)

That's what Brexit is all about though - a distrust of foreigners.
The good ship Brexit, and all who sail in her.... people support Gove, and yet have no xenophobic tendencies? Nah.

And Miloslaw, as to your above post, I used a noun, to describe your party members. :) If I had said "xenophobic", your outrage might have had some credence.

Wishing you a good day.

It makes no difference.
Why would my party guests love xenophobes?
Considering most of them were born to foreign parents, like me, or born abroad?
Do you not see how ridiculous your comment is?

That's what I say. As the CEO of a country, no politician is worth anything after ten years (give o take two). They become too removed from the citizenry to adequately represent them. Not a single national leader in the world who's been in office over 10 years is worth a sack of wet dirt...

Germany desperately needs new political leadership and.... nuthin'

I guessed that....you would deny to others your parents' good fortune.
Mobility.

Good fortune??
Hardly.

Couldn't comment on your parents' case. I am saying (again) that migrants are those most likely to deny the same rights to others. Must be some sort of syndrome....

It's not quite as easy...

In Germany many "older" immigrants are that miffed because of the "refugee welcome" movement because they see it as a kick in their own arse. That they had been forced to work hard from scratch...and nobody greeted them with teddy bears at the stations and made sure they were missing no tiny piece of welfare and support money and got their full rights like the natives....

For many the new migrants seem to be treated better than the natives (and that includes the earlier migrants)...they have immediately access to all welfare and rights and status like nobody before them. Like a "positive discrimination" if you so want.

And that makes understandably bad blood...at least that is the case in Germany. Most "earlier" Germans (natives or immigrants) want to deny them the same rights because it's unfair, they never had to work for them, had never put in something in the common pot, have just come and immediately begin taking out of said pot!

(Abit more discrimination and less rights/welfare from the start would probably help with the acceptance but that would be oh so politically incorrect!)

Which is of course far from the truth. Refugees had more rights back then than now, especially those who came from Eastern Europe and could show some sort of German ancestors (which in practice often meant that maybe one grandparent was German, and the refugee in question often spoke only broken German at best). Never mind the East Germans who were full citizens from day one... .

Economic migrants also had it much easier to find a job because back then there was plenty of work for unqualified migrants, unlike today.

This is one of the cases in which feelings are stronger than facts. Many people might feel like they had it worse than new arrivals, while in fact it was the opposite.

They were GERMANS! Spot the difference....they have paid a 40year long price for common crimes so the West didn't had to.


Agreed, but they are there. And you ignore them at your own peril! (Not you personally Tacitus:)

Germany is spending 4 billion euros on refugees each month.


The problem is not just Merkel as an individual politician, even when she leaves you can rest assured that "the Elites" are already grooming and preparing her eventual successor to take her place once she is gone and continue her policies following the same direction and leading the country in the same path. The problem is the system itself.

Well....right now I can't see anyone...with Merkel an era will end....for good.

Von der Leyen has moved out and away to Brussels and AKK develops into an abject failure who nobody wants to see as the new chancellor...

They came from a different country, which belonged to a hostile power block and received huge solidarity from a country they had not contributed to anything. East Germans are certainly the last group that can complain about the treatment of the refugees, since they were treated far better. I am proud that the FRG treated them so well, since it was a huge moral victory over the GDR, but them resenting the treatment of refugees is hysterical at best.


Ignoring them would be wrong. But unconditionally catering to their resentment would be wrong too. Pointing out the basic flaws in their argument is a good start imho.

From a different country, my arse....not by our own choice. And surely not recognized by the West for the longest part. Don't know your history, don't you?

Just treat us like the Hereros you so love. We suffered far more...and faaar longer! But that's funnily the core of the problem...you are so ready to distribute your sympathy and your money to far away people but not to your own, or generally those already here. That is a problem and that will get only bigger!

Or as they say so nicely: "Integriert doch erstmal uns!"

The GDR was by all intents and purposes a different state, West Germany's diplomacy was just clever enough to humiliate them by not acknowledging them.

Otherwise you are reading things into my post that I never wrote nor meant. I am not for treating current refugees similiar to refugees from East Germany. I am just pointing out that complains about supposedly preferential treatment for new arrivals is simply wrong, because both East Germans and Germans from Eastern Europe received far more generous treatment.

Just end the welfare, and the "refugee" aka economic immigrant question should solve itself. If that makes the round they will chose other countries to wander into when there is no easy money to get anymore. Spend the billions in the "Flüchtlingsfond" in Germany on poor and old Germans who really need it, just my opinion.

Just a question then- when would you start giving people the welfare? Never? After 10 years? Do they have to work? What about foreign wifes whose German husbands died with them taking care of home for all their years together and not working?

Foreigners should at least have paid something into the pot before they are allowed to take something out of it....it's not a hard concept.

Right now they come and wander directly into Hartz IV...get "Grundsicherung"...the same as a poor German who has worked his ass off for more than 40 years...that's just not fair!

Then they storm the big cities in search of apartements...which are already hard to come by for normal Germans, they additionally put pressure on those Germans who can't pay much for a flat.

And where are the billions for these immigrants coming from? That is german tax money which miraculously is NOT there for the poor pensioner whose rent is so low he has to search for returnable bottles to survive till the end of the month! After a long life of hard work for Germany, mind you...

Not fair!