Brexit 2019 and Poland

They have not been swanning around for weeks.

Boris and his election took up the whole summer. He then said he would get a deal. He did so and presented the text of that on Monday. By Tuesday lunchtime it was apparent that it was full o holes and worse than Mays deal.

So the swanning around has rather been by the govt, not by parliament

Not yet, but if this extension is granted they will be.
But if an election is called, many of they may lose their seats.
As for Boris's government they managed to do in a few weeks what Theresa's government could not achieve in 3 years.
Hardly swanning about.

What have they achieved ? They did a deal that is obviously worse than Mays and will not be happening.

Any other achievements? The guy has won a single vote in parliament - something about air quality.

Ahem, it was approved by parliament last night.

No, it wasn't. I don't think you understand British politics. It was only approved to receive a second reading.

I don't think you do..........

The bill was passed yesterday, subject to possible ammendments.


Yesterday WAS the second reading, it can now go to commitee stage.

Dearie me, so it was. Aren't thing suddenly moving rather fast.


And therein lies the rub. Definite amendments I would say. There is clear dissatisfaction with the proposed withdrawal agreement.


Which is the nitty gritty of the matter. The chances of it getting past that stage are doubtful, with all the amendments being requested by MPs and I see that the customs union is still an issue for some.

Anyway, bottom line is there will be no Brexit on 31 October.

Assuming the EU give us an extension, which they probably will and if it is till January, it looks like an election in December.
Guess I will have to cancel my party.......... :-(

Have You looked at the Withdrawal Act Milo? There is NO chance in hell of Labour agreeing to an election until the section on workers' rights is amended. This takes us back to the days of Thatcher, and dark days they were for a great many people.

Why? Margaret Thatcher was a great Prime Minister. She had the courage to kick the British Airways in their asses and quickly sell off the company to private hands as soon as she discovered that the number of banquets within the then state-owned company rose in accordance with the ever growing deficit the company generated.

Just listen to what she once said to me after having been promoted to the post of PM:

- We never said things would be easy. Of course we never said we'd cause a recession and three million unemployed. But look ... there are no easy solutions. We are all in the same boat ... the Titanic! [which is very true again in regard to this Brexit thing]

Corbyn has already said he will back an election if the EU offer a long extension.

I was aware of that Milo. If Johnson can lie constantly, I am sure Corbyn can get away with being economical with the truth.


I voted for her in 1979. Like countless others, I lived to regret that mistake.

Milo you can have your party in January - put the vodka in the freezer so everyone is nice and chilled !

An election is definitely a step forward - in this parliament nobody has a majority for any solution - no deal, customs union, remain are all impossible until the people vote again. I am worried about losing Scotland though :( it is such an important part of Britain and they are being forced into a corner.

You think so?
The Conservatives will lose most if not all of it's 13 Scottish MPs. The exception may well be Tory Perthshire. They will lose a few (possibly in Wales) to the Brexit Party. They may lose 5 or 6 to the Lib Dems in marginal (Remain) seats.

How many will they gain from Labour, and how many will they gain from the Lib Dems?
The maths doesn't look so very good for the Tories in a tactical voting election, and the smart money is on another hung parliament - which of course would solve zilch.

The way things are going it will probably be January 2022!
Anyway, i don't really drink spirits, especially not wodka.

:) that's a shame - but even here in Poland vodka nights out are getting rarer - people switching to wine !

I seem to have followed the Polish trend then... ;-)

Yes, obviously too fast for you to keep up LOL!!!!

Lie you mean, as he always does because he doesn't have a clue what he really stands for......or is too cowardly to admit what he stands for.

What a silly old tosser he is!


Miloslaw of London totally gobsmacked!!!!

I concur! It was a bad day when Gordon Brown was unable to build a Labour power base. The UK needs an intelligent and viable opposition.

They all lie Milo, but what I think is scandalous is that Boris got to be PM in the first place. A guy who lied to the public over the £350 million a week the UK gives to the EU ( his Brexit slogan on the big red bus ), and who was fired from two newspaper jobs for lying. I am staggered he got to be elected. IMO, someone in his position should be bulletproof. There was never a chance the withdrawal deal would go through without the proper scrutiny it needs, as the guy simply cannot be trusted. The sooner he is out the better, although I don't think Corbyn should be in either.


Herein lies the problem!

His name is Keir Starmer - but the Labour Party has been hijacked, to state the obvious.

I agree and to be honest I am getting very disenchanted with British politics in general.


I wouldn't trust him either and as you say Labour has been hijacked by marxists.

I wonder how the British 'leave' public feel about the fact that it was the DUP vote that prevented Brexit on 31 October?? If they had voted 'yes' instead of stabbing Boris in the back in true Unionist style, he would have won both votes. Actually, I wonder if they even realize it.

The British public realize it I mean, not the DUP :D

Actually there has been quite a lot of debate on the subject and many Brits think that Boris abandoned them and have some degree of sympathy.


As I have said, they do, so you underestimate the British public.
Just as you show your Republican bias when you make comments like this


As if the IRA never stabbed or shot anyone in the back..... the hypocrisy.... LOL!!!!

To lighten the mood abit:

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I don't like Unionists at all, I can't stand the Orange Order, but you have to feel sorry for them. There was never any mention during the referendum of them being in a separate Customs regime to GB, and now they're facing Customs checks that they never agreed to.

I've read one opinion piece by a Unionist who said that he agrees with the principle of consent stopping Customs checks on the border with the Republic, but at the same time, the principle of consent also means that they should never be forcibly parted with the rest of the UK. It definitely doesn't seem compatible with the GFA!

Neither do I.
In the same way that I don't like Republicans.

Milo, it's a shame your Irish father-in-law never explained to you the difference between Republican and Nationalist (not that I'm either), or Unionist and Loyalist. Very few Nationalists are Republicans and very few Unionists are Loyalists.

He did actually.But I always told him that was an Irish perspective not shared on this side of The Irish Sea.
We don't see that nuance that you Irish see.
Dad, as I called him,was a very proud Irishman.A Catholic.
He was very proud of Ireland's independence but hated the IRA just as much as he hated the UDA.
He was not in favour of a united Ireland, because, in his view, that was just Britain washing her hands of her responsibilities, and problems, and handing them over to Ireland.

He thought that the Protestants would cause even more trouble under rule from Dublin than under rule from London.
I think he was right.
Sadly, he died in 2003, his wife, my mother in law is still alive and a very fit 87 years of age.
I still miss him after all these years.