Coronavirus in Poland

Scientists are, after all, usually quite clever.

This sums it up, really:

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Scientists are human beings.

Human beings are usually quite:

Corrupt

Lusty for power in any form, power as it is, sex and money. The previous 2 usually an expression of number 1.

Why did you decide to throw away your own compass, and put your life, health and wellbeing in the hands of strangers?

You think science is 'corrupt'?


So you've studied virology, sat in a lab and done all the experiments yourself?

I study human nature for more than 20 years.

That is all you need to know in this world.

And you,

Did you doublecheck the virology studies?
Sat in a lab and re-done all the experiments yourself?

Not exactly a basis for challenging the collective weight of medical science now, is it...


Actual scientists do that thoroughly and transparently enough to satisfy any intelligent sceptic.

Have you had your Covid jab yet?

Now in Japan one needs to pay a fine of $10,000 for refusing to take vaccine.

Haha, you are good at word games Jon.

So a sceptic that does not blindly belief in other humans becomes automatically un-intelligent.
A bit cheap wordplay Jon. And not really effective on intelligent humans either.
Is this all you have? Nothing better?

What made you a blind follower of other humans that are strangers to you Jon?
How do you know they care about you, your body and your family?
How do you know that they have your best interest in mind.
Besides that you wish it to be so.


It is the best basis.
All you need to know about is human nature, and you know all about the current situation.

Or simply logical and not easily swayed by cranky youtube conspiracy videos.


Whatever that means.

In medical matters (such as the covid pandemic) all that counts is medical science and public health.

What is your experience of the current situation with covid here in Poland?

Which has not really been a priority....

At present in the UK/Ireland I see hints that they want the current situation to go on for about 5 more years... probably under the guise of "zero covid"....

This is not going to stop without mass civil disobedience...

Or hints that they expect it to. Very different.


I predicted that at the start of the first lockdown in the U.K. Sadly we have difficult times ahead.

At least the vaccine rollout is progressing.

No health data remotely justifies further lockdowns... every hyperbolic threat about this thing has failed to materialize and government actions on the ground have had no consistent effect.

Open up and get it over with.... unless none of these policies are about health afterall....

But you are very easily swayed by websites with intertwined interests (fullfact.org).
Do you believe in Rolls Royce?


All that counts in life is freedom, totally nothing else.

I haven't read that website, however what are the "intertwined interests" of which you try to speak?


That and safety, health, and a functioning economy. In order to maintain freedom, we must paradoxically have rules. Otherwise your next door neighbour would be free to compromise your freedom by taking your house.

ah no, sorry, that was not you, that was in another topic


It is a complicated thing, I don't think humanity every found a solution for that.
Because, who makes the rules? That is the problem.
The result you see today.

Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

As I tell you, just study human nature, nothing else you need to know.

The Corrupt World of Science | Dr Suman Sahai | TEDxSMIT
youtube.com/watch?v=zDp9JxhWFsc

Dr. Suman Sahai is an internationally recognized researcher who has been extensively contributing to the world of science. In her decades of work, she has experienced how big money manipulates science and research to present a biased point of view. In this TEDx talk, she narrates various such examples and presents her idea on how we as a society can fight this corruption.

Does Money Get In The Way Of Science? | The Frauds Of Science | Spark
youtube.com/watch?v=1yM7dkJrUfw

This revealing program explores the degree to which money and expediency has corrupted science and the ways in which the scientific method can expose those who commit it.

The Invasion of False Science Into Medical Schools and Medical Journals - Robert Whitaker
youtube.com/watch?v=XQd5CpCvcX4

All of them YouTube videos. Made by people with an axe to grind.

Btw, you made a vague comment which wasn't clear in meaning:


What are these "intertwined interests"?

Thanks for links Marie Antoniete, Dr. Suman Sahai is a good speaker.

Exactly what lockdowns destroy.... those behind them know they're wrecking the economy that's their aim.... to burn it down and build something else in its place.

Once you assume that the eternal drama makes sense and you can predict what will happen....

This is what we're seeing.


I doubt that; sounds too much like a conspiracy, one that would necessarily involve too many people to be credible.

You mean the fishy conspiracy that no one believes in that was on the cover of Time magazine?



that crazy conspiracy theory?

Do you believe that the UN's Agenda 21 initiative and the whacky conspiracy theory about mass depopulation surrounding it are the same thing?

Meanwhile the Czech's have decided to open up and go against what the "government" says should happen. Poland, with Gowin now in the drivers seat thanks to the insane media tax PiS wants, will likely break up the "government". If this trend continues, Poland like the Czech's will be full open in short order. Vaccine or no vaccine, people will only take so much and while all of these "lockdowns" are suspicious in many ways, a global "reset" would take such co-operation that the world leaders and individual interests are simply never going to allow it to happen.

Firstly, no lockdowns can prevent any virus... the truth is everyone will have it at some point... by now most of the world population already got it...

Meh, Agenda 21 at best is a bunch of ineffectual sloganeering with no real concrete plans....

Though there is a looooong history of the current 'elites' yapping on about how there are too many of us and they'd like to get rid of most of us so they could enjoy the planet without us

Do you believe Klaus Schwab is being sincere in his megalomaniac plans to enslave us?

Oh.... and are you still flying a lot for work?

Spot on.
I posted that one year ago. (March of 2020)

polishforums.com/news/poland-coronavirus-85511/21/#msg1730597


I even impress myself sometimes.

jonny brate, glad to me for you. You becoming like me. First, we tell and then things happen.

Yes, we got the bingo. Corona will remain our partner for a long.

It's all about Control and dumbing down society, Crow brate.
Now we have to agree to let the government into our bodies or we no longer can fly on a plane.
That will be next.
How will you and I ever share a beer and laughter if we refuse the vaccine ?

Yes, they are. And that's why they know which side it pays off to be on in this case.


I think in Japan people are conditioned to be blindly obedient to the authority their whole lives so there's not going to be many who would refuse anyway.

In Europe, on the other hand, there are more free-minded people who would refuse to be free lab rats for untested medicaments.

What do you think they are about?


It was not a website that you quoted.
Or are you also using this factchecking website, made by people you do not know, that you put forward as a proof of your version of the truth?


Well, they are just posted on YouTube. Not "youtube videos".
Made by people in the industry, to inform you and help you make the right decisions in your life.

And as you wish Jon, another YouTube video.
youtube.com/watch?v=TJwIQ4Xz5cg

But don't watch the video, read the reactions ;)


Did you take precautions Mafketis? Gold, Silver, Bitcoin? Anything else?


maybe it is not people


what is your opinion about the Georgia Guide Stones Jon?


I help you hope so, would be nice


Here is the full plan for your information Mafketis, I think you should read it, at least briefly.

sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/Agenda21.pdf

United Nations Conference on Environment & Development
Rio de Janerio, Brazil, 3 to 14 June 1992
AGENDA 21

Presented to you by your loving brothers and sisters from the UN.

Capital transfer (from the 99% to the digital oligarchy)

Bunch o' grifters looking for a chance to enact their idiotic and doomed-to-fail societal reforms....

Expansion of Chinese soft power and the export of the Chinese Communist Political model (lots of examples of western authoritarians besotted with Chinese Commumism). This is a political change comparable to the changes of 1989.... the NZ government (staunch Chinese ally) now feels free to order citizens to stay home whenever the prime minister sees fit - this is a massive paradigm shift....


Those are planning on a block of ice... once the ice melts none of the plans are likely to be relevant....

Does anyone know what is the current position with vaccinations in Poland.....and what group has been completed (health workers were presumably first followed by over 60's...) Where are most vaccinations taking place...hospitals, doctors surgeries or other designate sites....and is Poland now in possession of more vaccines...? Or is there a designated office (town hall....mayor...etc ) who can give local information on vaccinations and when to expect one.