Coronavirus in Poland

Is there a shortage of vaccines in Poland ?

I was referring to last year.... at two (three tops) week semi-lockdown should have been the end of that. Let the vulnerable shelter (and help them do so) and let everyone else get on with things so that those who weren't threatened by it would catch it and recover.

All lockdowns do is prolong the time that the most vulnerable are in danger and give the virus lots of time to mutate (which seems to be what they want).

That was then, this is now.
How many people a day in Poland are being vaccinated ?

Sadly not many yet, however they're doing their best to get through priority groups. there are some reports that people aren't turning up for appointments if they think they're getting the AstraZeneca vaccine.

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True they have been, although since the schools went back there has been some plateauing of the figures, The numbers still remain quite low however and many are arguing that opening up should happen sooner. As for travel, considering the progress made with the vaccine rollout and the eagerness of even the most ardent vaccine nationalist to travel abroad perhaps the UK should start exporting some elsewhere in Europe. Especially as very soon it will only be healthy under 50s who haven't had it and they have delayed offering it to them until May because of 'technical issues' from India.

I guess I can't blame them after reading this.
I wouldn't get one of those either.
The Johnson and Johnson is what everyone in America with a brain wants.

msn.com/en-us/health/medical/fauci-astrazeneca-needs-to-straighten-out-vaccine-data/ar-BB1eSnhq?ocid=msedgdhp

It's the Pfizer jab that everyone wants here. I don't think we use the J&J one.

I'll be happy with either, however I'd prefer the Pfizer.


Opening up pub beer gardens (with distancing etc) as the weather gets better would give a boost to general morale.


Travel is a problem. Some of us have to for work, others for family reasons. I'm flying this week from Warsaw to UK via a third country. I'm in business class so there's some distance from other passengers however it's still a worry, and the quarantine won't be fun.

Holidays are a potential problem. People are itching for their 10 days on the costas or wherever, and being crammed into charter planes isn't a great idea right now.

Best of luck Jon.

bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n627

"The email identified "a significant difference in % RNA integrity/truncated species" between the clinical batches and proposed commercial batches-from around 78% to 55%. The root cause was unknown and the impact of this loss of RNA integrity on safety and efficacy of the vaccine was "yet to be defined," the email said."

"Pfizer also declined to comment on what percentage mRNA integrity it is aiming for, nor would it address questions about the cause of the unexpectedly low percentage mRNA integrity in certain batches, leaving open the question of whether it could happen again."

"Moderna's chief corporate affairs officer Ray Jordan declined to respond to any of The BMJ's questions, stating: "At this point, Moderna will not be offering additional commentary on these topics."

Thanks!

Not looking forward to arrival in the UK. I'll get the pre-flight covid test at the airport 2 days before. It's got to be within 72 hours however best not to leave it until the last minute just in case, and anyway, it's a crack of dawn flight.

It'll be strange to travel back and change trains in Huddersfield without stopping off for a sausage and bacon bap and a cup of builders' tea at the market cafe.

Something less to worry about?

It appears that long covid.... is probably not really a thing. About two thirds of people who claim to have it test negative for ever having ..... had it.

My guess for a lot of them is... psychosomatic.... lots of that.

statnews.com/2021/03/22/we-need-to-start-thinking-more-critically-speaking-cautiously-long-covid/

Jon,get the test done from Damian,klinika cmd nowolipe 18.most likely they will give you result in 12 hrs and is the cheapest in Warsaw for only 420 pln.Tele number is 22 566 2222.

Thanks for the advice.

I'd thought of that, however the olace at Warsaw Airport does them for 200zl with resulta in 20 minutes. It's the antigen test which according to the UK government website is fine for travel.

lotnisko-chopina.pl/en/news/0/1019/szczegoly.html
gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-testing-for-people-travelling-to-england

Since you've mentioned it though, I'll double check and also with the airline to make sure that the antigen test is enough.

Not with the airline check with the embassy.


US requires PCR test.antigen is a 15 minutes swab test and that depends on the airline personnel who will be checking and you know Polish staff at airport.

Thanks. I was worried about the PCR v. antigen thing and checked the UK government website, plus the airline (who emailed me this morning).

It's the UK rather than US; both countries are strict, but in different ways, and yes, Polish airport staff can be awkward.

This is from the UK government website:

"The test must meet performance standards of ≥97% specificity, ≥80% sensitivity at viral loads above 100,000 copies/ml.
This could include tests such as:
- a nucleic acid test, including a polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test or derivative technologies, including loop-mediated isothermal amplification (LAMP) tests
- an antigen test, such as a test from a lateral flow device"
gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-testing-for-people-travelling-to-england

This was in the email from the airline:

"All travelers to the UK must hold a medical certificate with a negative COVID-19 PCR, AntiGen or LAMP test result, taken within 3 days before departure. "

The airport testing centre at Okecie do both antigen and PCR tests, however my reading of both of the website and the email from the airline is that the antigen test is OK.

Nevertheless, I booked a fully flexible ticket (business class was slightly cheaper than economy - this does happen sometimes on European routes for certain reasons - obviously I'm not complaining) just in case anything goes wrong.

and you have to repeat the process including the two week and 1.5k quarantine in one-two months time? why not just wait for the polish pfizer? or do they not give it to Brit foreigners with a history? A quarantine hotel is the most high risk place to catch covid actually as it can spread through the ventilation and plumbing system ie sticky tape your anus before using the toilet.

Trying to be logical with Covidians? That's funny...Good luck...

No. Read the actual posts. As someone rudely shouted at poor Jackie Weaver, "READ THEM AND UNDERSTAND THEM".

What "1.5k quarantine"? What "quarantine hotel"? Poland isn't on the Red List (yet).


Like waiting for Godot, and in any case I have some matters to sort in a country where co-incidentally I've just received the invitation for the vaccine.


What history? A history of paying tax and ZUS for twice as long as you've been alive and becoming a citizen of a country you project about but have never lived in?

And what Serbia got from your respect? One big NOTHING.

See?

Learn from this lesson or your own wife may tell you the same one day.

Well with foreign holidays being made illegal with a £5,000 fine that won't happen quite yet.

Have a travel problem myself at the moment as it happens. Managed to get back to the UK after living in Poland for most of last year for Christmas and still here. Just as well all my teaching work has been online anyway. Not in any particular rush to get back considering the situation but looking forward to when travel becomes a bit easier again.

I see that as part of the holiday ban it has to be proved that any travel for work purposes can't be done from home. Not sure what sort of proof would be required considering most teachers have been working from home.

There seem to be a few ways of getting round that at the moment, however a change in the law about holidays is something people will be screaming for.


Almost impossible, however a letter from an employer would probably do it. A lot of teaching and training is starting up again round the world, especially in petrochemicals facilities. In theory it could be done from a distance; in practice, that won't happen.

I don't know. It looks like the governments are in a state of panic, so they severly overreact to everything, meaning anything is possible.

If you want to have children at some point, I recommend to avoid vaccination.

So it seems that todays daily Covid infections statistics for the last 24 hours is close to 30,000.....extremely worrying by anyone's standards....it also seems that despite all the glossy news clips recently shown on Polsat News of the 'new Covid wards' it would appear that these beds cannot be used because there are no medical staff trained up to support Covid infected patients.....so again it looks like PIS have failed to be proactive and overlooked that to make it work you need to train large numbers of medical staff to care for Covid infected patients. What a joke....why wasn't I surprised..... what the true story is I do not know but I think this is pretty much near the truth and what a time for hospitals to declare themselves full....no room at the inn....!! PIS are typically late and are totally inadequate in forward planning....no idea on being proactive and need to let other politicians take over this mess or at least accept the advice of other more qualified bodies.....

Not according to the British Medical Journal:

bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n509

What's next, more garbage about 5G?

For the 978th time.... the number of 'infections' (positive results of an over-sensitive test) is a useless metric on its own.

95,800 people were tested (a record) and the positive rate was 31% (where it's been for a while when they test over 80,000 - the more tests the higher the percentage of 'positive' tests).

The number that matters is percentage of positive tests among all tested

Also hospital admissions and fatalties (maybe discharged from hospital as well).

Wha'ts going on now seems like the spike that has followed the beginning of vaccination in other countries like the UK and Portugal and should crest soon and start falling...

That said, yes, PiS's responses since June or so have been absolutely pathetic and incompetent.... Not only the result of bad (no!) real planning but also the result of years of PiS starving the healthcare system so they could buy votes from the gullible and ill-informed...

Crises reveal governmental incompetence that good times hide....

Anyone who can vote for PiS after this is a fool or plain old PRL style beton...

For the 978th time, you are correct. "Cases" are a favorite metric of fear peddlers.

Relevant as a measure of the number of cases. The more hosts, the more mutations.

Plus, apart from travellers who have to have them, the tests are more often than not done on people who are already symptomatic and have gone for a test


This is also a key metric.


They can't afford to declare a state of emergency and compensate businesses. They should, however they won't do it, 8n part since they know they're not going to get another term of office and the long term damage will be left to someone else to struggle with.

@jon357
But at least TVP got their billions instead of the health care system like the rest of the country wanted. You know because after "beating the virus" we sure didnt have to worry about the "second wave" all experts knew and said was coming.

The only relevant number is deaths. Which is up slightly, but not in proportion to the number of infections or hospitalizations.

Only indirectly since the test seems to return a lot of false positives... (the creator of the test said it should be used as a diagnosis without symptoms).


They're really pushing mutations... my guess is they'll use the spectre of mutations to keep the lockdown destruction going...

Why would Bloomberg be running this story? Might it have something to do with policy decisions of the Powers That Be?

bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-03-24/when-will-covid-end-we-must-start-planning-for-a-permanent-pandemic?sref=xSjBfHPF

Particularly, try to make sense of this: "we keep getting better at responding. In each lockdown, for example, we damage the economy less than in the previous one"

Can anyone translate this into plainspeak?

Don't think its a good time to be moving anywhere tbh, especially with the pandemic. I would wait a little while before booking the plane tickets if I were you.