Coronavirus in Poland

valneva.com/press-release/valneva-reports-positive-phase-3-results-for-inactivated-adjuvanted-covid-19-vaccine-candidate-vla2001/

There, the Valneva vaccine shows superior initial results to AstraZeneca in terms of antibodies and other important markers.
Wonder whether they will be sabotaged again. All of the normal vaccines in the west are being sabotaged left and right.

They sure know their audience:
"These results confirm the advantages often associated with inactivated whole virus vaccines. We are committed to bringing our differentiated vaccine candidate to licensure as quickly as possible and continue to believe that we will be able to make an important contribution to the global fight against the COVID-19 pandemic. We are keen to propose an alternative vaccine solution for people who have not yet been vaccinated."

About VLA2001
VLA2001 is currently the only whole virus, inactivated, adjuvanted vaccine candidate against COVID-19 in clinical trials in Europe.

What are you trying to say? there are many motivational factors in getting people to get vaxxed, since the polish government will not do vaccine mandates, or letting private business demonstrate against the unvaxxed, having a vaccine supplement (which will overall reduce government health spending) makes sense

Day 77 (or 67 or 17)* of the fourth wave...

percent of positive test results: 10.9 % of 51,086 tests... big upswing

but the story of the day is problems in the reporting system... reports today were late and incomplete... is it just a trivial technical snafu or is something up?

The Minister of Health has said that over a third of new cases are from just two wojewodztwa (lubielskie and podlaskie - interesting since both tend to block vote for PiS) lubielskie also accounts for over 18 % of hospitalizations... way to take care of your core constituents... not.

hospitalization: +219 = 3811 (usual Monday bump in hospitalizations)

intensive care:+ 11 = 329

deaths: 75 (54 with comorbidities)

from the previous day**: seven day moving average of daily deaths +2 = 37

Currently infected (how ever they happen to calculate that....) some bogus number over 195,000.... (which kind of throws a lot of the other numbers into doubt as well...)

*differing accounts of when the fourth wave began

**the source I use is a day behind and I'm too lazy to calculate on my own

Nor should they.


Again, it's quite correct that such activities should not be permitted.

The problem is that the Polish government hasn't done a good job of managing the public information/public relations part of the pandemic. They're not good at communicating with the people at the best of times and they've failed badly in these, more challenging times. If you have an effective public health information campaign and figure heads whom the public feel confidence and trust in, then the vaccine uptake will be greater. Money will never convince people who are genuinely frightened, to take the vaccine.

Interesting article that suggests that vaccination rates don't have much to do with anything... if 15-20 of the population is at high risk then the difference between 40 and 80 % vaccinated doesn't make much difference and that vaccinating higher and higher percentages of the population runs into diminishing returns...

eugyppius.substack.com/p/maximum-vaccination?utm_source=substack&utm_campaign=post_embed&utm_medium=web

Except much less people believe the hypnotoad box or the "established media" now. CNN has only a fraction of viewers that Joe Rogan has, for example. Trust in media is at 30% in the US, even according to their manipulated polls. Europeans are generally still more trusting of the authorities, except Eastern Europe where everyone knows that they are corrupt.

I'd be happy to see it as a requirement to attend state funded education, use a public sector hospital, enter an airport or use public transport.


That's key to it; people just don't trust them to be objective.

what about recovered patients? Shouldn't they be exempt? Why on earth vaccinate someone who's already immune? What about children are almost completely free of risk regarding covid?


Even their core voters (aforementioned lubelskie and podlaskie wojewodztwa).

And they're not exceptional in this regard, the 'pandemic' has made me even more distrustful that elites in government and finance (and Pharma) have any goodwill or even basic competence.

That's for the relevant public health authorities to decide. As far as I know, people in that situation can get an NHS Covid Pass, although of course they can also get the jabs if advised to.


They get vaccinated anyway for all sorts of things, and of course if they get it, they are not in any sense free of risk to others around them, perhaps people with auto-immune illnesses or others who are particularly vulnerable.

Public health is a matter society as a whole; individual superstitions or opinions are irrelevant when not on one's own desert island


Yes, however I'd substitute the word "even" with the word "especially", given the cynicism of people there about politicians.

To be honest I wouldn't trust the relevant public health authorities to pour p]ss out of a boot (with instructions written on the bottom).

There's no real evidence that vaccinating anyone besides the at risk population (let's be cautious and say 60 and above and those with certain immune or other health conditions) does anything at all in terms of infection rates. There's certainly no evidence that vaccine mandates for low risk populations do anything (beyond maybe speeding up mutations).

In countries with an actual health service, they tend to be fairly responsible. In Poland (where you can't even rely on doctors to be sober at work or know the difference between an arse and an elbow), they still do their best.


As I said, it's not the risk to them, it's the risk to others they can give it to.

If they give it to low risk people... who cares? Any high risk person who wanted the vaccine has had the chance to get as many shots as they want. So.... what's the deal?


Like the UK and its lockdown maestro Neil "booty call" Ferguson? Or Dr. Anthony "gain of function research" Fauci?

I think 'fairly' is being strained to the limit there....

Not everyone, especially people with certain medical conditions, can get it safely; and of course we know that the protection it gives is good not 100%.

Who cares? Lot's of people, especially those (like me) who have a loved one with a serious medical condition.


Both sound. Prof Whitty, too.

All responsible, accountable and a better source of advice than Dr Google.

They should be able to self-isolate if that's what they think is best. I have nothing against voluntary self-isolation and am in favor of improving services for those doing that.

Are you really suggesting that people with certain disabilities or illnesses should stay at home?

Anyway, most people have had the vaccine, including you, and it's necessary to have an NHS Covid Pass to fly anyway. It's long been necessary to have certain jabs (like Yellow Fever) before entering some countries, so nothing new,

There's no place in any decent society for so-called 'libertarian' posturing, especially when the lawsuits from people with disabilities (whose health and right to participate in society trumps selfish people's 'opinions' about vaccines) start to come.

Only if that's what they want.


I'm not a libertarian.

Sooner or later there'll be lawsuits.


That's good to know. Sadly all too many think they are,

Yes.
If you drink poison and die, no one is going to say "it was not the poison". Yet, if you take the vaccine and die, people say "it was not the vaccine".

It does of course depend on what kills you. Death Certificates often list several things in cases where that is relevant.


Rightly so, if it wasn't the vaccine. Since they are generally safe and many billions of people round the world have been vaccinated for so many serious illnesses over the decades, something that has contributed hugely to the increase in human life expectancy.

There always are....


The Pfizer, Moderna (and J&J?) concoctions are not vaccines in any traditional sense. They're prophylactic/therapeutic in nature. Being skeptical about a 'vaccine' that was rushed to market is not the same as the anti-vax crazies (who do exist, yes).

Lots of people have had lots of vaccines but draw their personal line at an insufficiently tested experiment (Pfizer didn't even have a control group... ).

Less so here, and rarely about disability rights.


I had AZ but would have been just as happy with the others, especially Pfizer. They do seem to give a good level of protection. Rushed? Certainly Yes. They were rushed as a necessity under extreme circumstances, and of course will be developed further as appropriate. There are even some new vaccines in the pipeline.


Those are the pathetic individuals (often sponsored by far-right and/or putinist/trumpist funding sources) who seek to deliberately confuse and mislead people. They care not a fig whether or not people die as a result of their actions. They are relentless, have turned up even here making ridiculously claims about 'nanobots' and 'unknown lifeforms'. They know that nobody sane would believe it, however they hope that by repeating it ad nauseam, some people with low critical thinking skills will start to doubt medical consensus and doubt the integrity of accountable and hugely able public health officials,

You really are regretting your choice of clotshot now bigtime aren't you?
:D

This is about the forth time I prodded you on your choice of vaxx and every time you snap back in an instant and pretend you were right and don't care you were duped.

Your decision was so bad that you won't even be able to travel soon without the FDA approved Pfizer booster. Even though you bent over and spread your cheeks at every opportunity you are still going to be shafted again and are in a worse position than the unvaxxed if you don't take your Pfizer boosters as now you have catspiss in your system.

'Choice' of vaccine? You get the vaccine the local NHS vaccine centre that you select has on the day you go; and no, no regrets at all.


What is an FDA? Are they some foreign things that we don't have here in Poland? Anyway, when I do the booster in a couple of days I'll be happy with the Pfizer one or any other...


I will, since all my shots are up to date.

Which vaccine did you have?

Not gonna let myself be bullied into poisoning myself.

My long term plan is to move to Bulgaria... and luckily that country has the lowest vax rate in the EU

Move to the US. We need people like you here.

Be careful: after all, you did say:

Day 78 (or 68 or 18)* of the fourth wave...

percent of positive test results: 11.3 % of 49,600 tests... big upswing

hospitalization: +223 = 4034

intensive care: + 4 = 333

deaths: 46 (32 with comorbidities)

from the previous day**: seven day moving average of daily deaths +5 = 42

Currently infected (how ever they happen to calculate that....) some bogus number over 200,000.... (which kind of throws a lot of the other numbers into doubt as well...)

*differing accounts of when the fourth wave began

**the source I use is a day behind and I'm too lazy to calculate on my own

I concur, I just feel sorry for the little kids that hey are steralizing.
A new study published in the NIH NCBI database and authored by Harvard professor S. V. Subramanian, Ph.D, and Penn State professor Akhil Kumar, Ph.D claims that vaccination rates have "no discernable relationship" with the amount of new COVID cases, and notes that "In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people."

Anyone here have an explanation for that ?

Jabbing kids is pure bull.

data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-Focus-on-Ages-0-18-Yea/nr4s-juj3/data

God gave them the kind of immunity that made masks and vaccines meaningless. 0.1% of those who died were in the 18 and under group.
That's 650 out of the total of 700,000. In the 0-4 yo group, it's 200 or 0.03%. More of them died in swimming pools.

Republican governors are threatening to fight the administration's new policies.
Washington Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers, the senior Republican on the House of Representatives committee overseeing health policy, said Biden "is using fear, control and mandates."

The Republican National Committee has vowed to sue the Biden administration over the vaccine mandate.
Impeach him immediately and then sue him before he dies of natural causes.