Coronavirus in Poland

@johnny reb
And they are doing this in Poland? Wow. Republicans are amazing at land grabs if they are in Poland fighting COVID rules.

Day 79 (or 69 or 19)* of the fourth wave...

percent of positive test results: 11.5 % of 49,537 tests... increase continues

hospitalization: +230 = 4264

intensive care: + 20 = 353

deaths: 59 (49 with comorbidities)

from the previous day**: seven day moving average of daily deaths -1 = 41

Currently infected (how ever they happen to calculate that....) some bogus number over 203,000.... (which kind of throws a lot of the other numbers into doubt as well...)

*differing accounts of when the fourth wave began

**the source I use is a day behind and I'm too lazy to calculate on my own

Breaking: UK government admits that immunity limited in those infected _after_ vaccination....

"N antibody levels appear to be lower in people who acquire infection following two doses of vaccination."

discuss and explain why everybody needs to be vaccinated again?

A loaded word there. Especially as it seems they're being open and transparent.

To not become russia

"Russia reported 1036 Covid-19 deaths in a single day on Thursday, but officials have warned the worst is yet to come, with only 35 per cent of the population fully vaccinated.

"All non-essential retail, sporting and entertainment venues must close. Shops selling food, medicine and other essentials will remain open.
Restaurants and cafes will be able to sell takeaway food. Mass events will be banned and schools will be closed,"

okay.... concludes....? states.....? what verb would you use? and does this info change your vaccine calculus at all?


useless and meaningless figure. It makes sense to encourage the elderly (lets say 60 and older) to get vaccinated and maybe those over 20 with health conditions of concern (esp obesity and/or diabetes). Vaccinating the rest of population is a case of diminishing returns... more expense for less result until you get more expense for negative results....

and I'm sure the Russian 'vaccine' is useless or actively dangerous. there are a lot of super smart people in Russia but the culture works against producing something like a new and safe vaccine in record time (same is true of China).

and yet there is a 30 year old gym dude , fit as a fiddle admitted into ICU today in hospital in QLD, unvaxxed of course.


Please back up your statement with facts, it seems that the vast majority of people in icu and hospital in poland and u.k are unvaxxed.

Unusual cases are not a sound basis for policy.....


Here's a good start....

eugyppius.substack.com/p/maximum-vaccination?utm_source=substack&utm_campaign=post_embed&utm_medium=web

more...

alexberenson.substack.com/p/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-their/comments

Neither is reading a philosopher and a journalist on substack.. Besides there is something annoying reading someone rail against vaccines (you) who refuses to say whether he has been vaccinated, because its 'a private matter'. you are disgenenious like a fox news host.. at least put your cards on the table.

Are you saying a person's vaccination status is _not_ a private matter? I may actually have mentioned my status here once or twice but I'm not going to repeat it every time some rando demands it.


I do not "rail against vaccines". I'm on the record as saying they're probably a good idea for at risk populations, but the drive to vaccinate everything that moves again and again and again is not based on any kind of sane health policy.

If you're fully vaccinated and the Australian government (loathesome Chinese puppets that they are) declares that you'll need another booster and another after that and another after that probably.... when and where do you draw the line? What's your particular limit? 5 shots? 16? three a year for the rest of your life with your ability to work and leave your home being tied to being 'fully' vaccinated?

a three dose vaccine schedule is normal for many conditions including hepatitis , beyond that it's silly. but that is not what you are posting about, you are trying to claim that only over 60s should be vaxxed , when the hospital icu stats prove you wrong. You are the one who just tried to shift the goalposts in your arguement. as for alex berenson i remember reading his tweets with his journalist interpreted graphs that the vaccines were not working in israel because during the rollout the virus deaths kept rising. he was proved wrong .

States is also journalese and concludes implies that there's some sort of conclusion. We are a long way off one of those.


Matters of public health are never a truly private matter, especially where infectious diseases are concerned.

I don't think anyone should be vaccinated against their will, I think it does make sense for those over 60 or over 20 with particular health conditions to get vaccinated (if they so choose and any other adult who wants it should be allowed - I'm against government compulsion).

But mass vaccination with a leaky vaccine.... not a good idea. Pfizer is so untested there was no real control group (they ended up vaccinating them as well). The goal seems to be to try to achieve 100 % vaccination so that no one can tell how effective or ineffective it really is.

Covid takes out geriatrics and those with severely compromised immune systems. Those are the ones that should take measures to protect themselves and be on cheap generic medicine as a precaution, or getting vaxxed if they are so inclined.

Clot shots are taking out young healthy people, particularly BTFO of young men's hearts. That might be one of the more benign adverse effects when it's all said and done.

About 3 weeks ago I asked my cardiologist if I should get a booster and the answer was kind of "why not" I.e it's safe and might be useful.

Now suddenly the boosters are essential with all the accompanying narrative - that if you don't get a third shot you are a selfish idiot and shouldn't be allowed to go to work. It will be the same with the 4th shot too

What's your line in the sand? 4th? 5th? higher?

They may well become an annual thing like flu jabs.

It's still early days; it could get worse or it could get better. Barring a major medical breakthrough though, we'll have to live with it and this may well mean regular jabs.

I don't know if i have a line in the sand - it's free and easy to arrange and I didnt get any side effects from the first one.

But where I do have a line in the sand is on the vaccine status being required to enter buidings, It's my business if I am vaccinated or not - reluctantly i have to share this with border authorities but no way willI be sharing it with restaurants and shops.

Amazed that people think medical privacy can be overridden by the state - we still have a constitution here and it is one that guarantees personal inviolability and the freedom from medical experiments.

Those are optional... I've never had a yearly flu shot (once back in the 1980s I had to get one but that was not the yearly shot but a separate one that my university required)

If people want to volunteer to be long term guinea pigs in medical experimentation... then have it. Just leave me out.


You think the pharma companies are _donating_ these hundreds of millions of shots? Really?

In Poland every vaccine shot is some other medical service that didn't and won't take place....

Yes thats a good point - as a taxpayer I am picking up the check.

Still rather some of my taxes went on vaccine for me than kielbasa wyborcza for some dude in Lubelskie.

all your posts are me me me me. You keep banging on about being a taxpayer , as if that makes you special, in fact it just shows your feel inadequate about how much money you make or inadequate in other areas. I


You can mouth off in a internet forum, but when that 500+ has got a family out of poverty or they can go for a holiday for the first time in their lives, thankfully if you mouthed off like that that in public (of course you won't ure an keyboard warrior) the dude from lubelskie would give you a good smack in the head and you would be a whining bit&h . ******* stupid yank.

This may change in some countries. There are places that require you to have various shots before entering, and given the current situation, their number may increase. You don't have to like it (nobody does) however as you know, societies do make decisions like insisting on passports/visas/ESTA to enter or requiring health checks or shots.


It is everybody's business should there be decisions about public health made in the light of an issue around infectious diseases.

If for example there was a pandemic or a novel coronavirus...


Tough. You're in Europe not some third world trumphole where some say "me me me" while others go hungry

What's your line in the sand? 4th shot? 5th? 14th? You'll do whatever the government says?

Government funded healthcare is being hollowed out in favor of transferring massive amounts of taxpayers' money to Big Pharma... you're okay with that? How many health services will you give up in order to line up for your next booster?

No - medical status is my private issue. My body my choice. Whatever the pandemic situation you will never convince me otherwise. As I said it's a constitutional right here and if you want to change it then change the constitution.

I got the vaccine because I think it's beneficial. If someone doesn't want it that is their choice

As for tax then as a Polish citizen then I do thankfully get a vote on how it's used.

The embrace of authoritarianism by supposed liberals since March 2020 is really disturbing - shows how fragile freedom is

Day 80 (or 70 or 20)* of the fourth wave...

percent of positive test results: 12.1 % of 51,957 tests... increase continues (about what you'd expect with increase in test numbers)

hospitalization: +295 = 4559

intensive care: + 46 = 399

deaths: 75 (58 with comorbidities) also 21 % of deaths were in a single voivodeship - lubelskie.... so this isn't distributed equally at all

from the previous day**: seven day moving average of daily deaths = 41 (no change)

Currently infected (how ever they happen to calculate that....) some bogus number over 203,000.... (which kind of throws a lot of the other numbers into doubt as well...)

*differing accounts of when the fourth wave began

**the source I use is a day behind and I'm too lazy to calculate on my own

Tell that to the young children that are about to be booted up.
My guess is that more children will die from vaccine complications than will from the virus.
This has become just insane !

Well JR when this started the government in Poland and in the US told us a few things

- it's not mandatory (de facto it is if you want to keep your job)
- it works (and it obviously does, but wanes after 6 months)
- children don't need (now they do)
- when we had it we can get back to normal (yeah right)

While I believe in the vaccine the supercilious responses to any form of doubt or questions are appalling and completely unhelpful to improving vaccination rates

For some reason in April last year I started logging new cases and deaths, if its of interest this date last year and moved a day to the Saturday, Poland was at 13,626 new cases and 179 deaths on that day. On the face of it, Poland seems to be in a decent place. A shout out to Mafketis for bothering to do deeper data, I wished I had also logged the testing rates as well as new cases.

@cms
So our governments have lied to us and now they want us to trust them to vaccinate our children. :-/
They are pushing the vaccine on kids, for NO REASON, here in the U.S. as if they are as harmless as an ice cream cone.

Now that the infection rate is dropping dramatically why would they put the children to risk with an experimental vaccine.
I'm telling you again, Jim Jones, "There is a big plan behind these vaccines that they are not telling us about."

No. Whatever the NHS says more or less, and whatever I have to do to cross borders to get to work or see loved ones. I don't much like passports but need one to fly.

Please don't assume I like getting jabs or am at all conformist. Nevertheless, if I can't fly, I either don't earn or get stuck doing twatty online lessons or punting out Headway to Agnieszka and Tomek here in PL. Plus I have an entirely reasonable reluctance to catch or pass on a disease that could and does kill people.


**** 'big pharma' or any other ***** that make profit out of healthcare. **** clapping for the NHS is a substitute for funding it properly and **** anyone who thinks their 'vaccine hesitancy' in any way trumps responsibility to those around them, especially the old, the weak or those with autoimmune diseases.