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Coronavirus in Poland



Joker
15 May 2020  #2101

Shanghai is far safer than London or New York when it comes to the virus

Says who? The Chinese? LOL. They claim to have less to 1000 deaths in Beijing. At least they stopped trying to blame the US for it...China lies about everything!

If you believe the numbers these commie are telling you. I have a bridge Id like to sell you too!

Atch
15 May 2020  #2102

Czech Republic is relaxing face mask rules from 25 May, masks no longer mandatory outdoors. I expect Poland will follow suit once the warmer weather arrives in June. Also in Czechia, no masks for staff and pupils in schools during lessons.

antheads2
15 May 2020  #2103

our deputy minister of culture is pretty smart, so much so that he got a article in the wall street journal thefirstnews.com/article/deputy-pm-glinski-offers-vision-of-post-pandemic-reality-12385

"Referring back to the Pancevski-Hinshaw article, Glinski highlighted that Poland's experience historically is one of being threatened with complete annihilation and indeed the country disappeared from the map for 123 years, pointing out that some Poles remember the cataclysmic onslaught of the German Third Reich as well as 50 years of communist rule with the existential threat they represented. As a result, the search for politico-economic solutions to the post-COVID-19 reality are made with awareness and memory of the past: ""And this may be a Polish lesson for the West," he said.

Lenka
15 May 2020  #2104

post-COVID-19 reality are made with awareness and memory of the past:

In wiat way? What is this suppose to mean?

Bratwurst Boy
15 May 2020  #2105

Don't you see it?

Covid-19 ----> Germs -----> Germans

If that pandemia isn't a warning from history then what is?

mafketis
15 May 2020  #2106

Just released are the figures for May 15,

hospitalization: a total of 2579 people are now hospitalized, 41 more than yesterday

fatalities : 24 have died (two more than yesterday's total)

antheads2
15 May 2020  #2107

it means because we have a cultural memory with death and disaster poland was a lot more responsive to acting against the threat of the pandemic than western nations.

Lenka
15 May 2020  #2108

Almost every country in Europe has an experience with that! WWII wasn't specifically Polish experience. WWI either. I think that is more than enough experience.

Atch
15 May 2020  #2109

Covid-19 ----> Germs -----> Germans

Lol!

we have a cultural memory with death and disaster

As Lenka says, virtually every country in Europe has that.

jon357
15 May 2020  #2110

As a result, the search for politico-economic solutions to the post-COVID-19 reality are made with awareness and memory of the past:

I doubt any response will ignore the past, though the post-war social contract can't be ignored when looking at ways to rebuild the economy and society after any crisis.

I think that is more than enough experience.

Exactly; and the issues involved are completely different. The minister wasn't making much sense when he gave that talk.

antheads2
15 May 2020  #2111

our prime minister wasint shaking hands with coronavirus patients in march was he? or our PO majors werent organising hug a chinese campaigns to combat 'racism' like the idiot major of florence was? there is a difference in attitudes between east and west europe.

jon357
15 May 2020  #2112

Perhaps less than you would like to think.

antheads2
15 May 2020  #2113

25,000 deaths, (the difference between poland and spain deaths) is big enough for me jon

Lenka
15 May 2020  #2114

wasint shaking hands with coronavirus patients

And that comes from wars? Interesting logic..

jon357
15 May 2020  #2115

the difference between poland and spain d

Quite a lot of difference, and nothing to do with wars (which both countries have had).

antheads2
15 May 2020  #2116

yes it comes from and exuberance that we are indestructable which stems from cultural and historical memory. , lgreat britain and spain didin't have their country destroyed by the Nazis, or suffer the soviet occupation afterwords.

but that was not the point of the deputy ministers article . i just quoted that cause it was the last point. if you care to read it, he talks a lot about the potential for civilisational collapse and the need for very stroing stimulus measures without traditional regards for deficits and conventional thinking.

Lenka
15 May 2020  #2117

If you write that with a straight face then you are a moron. (Talking about the war thing here)

antheads2
15 May 2020  #2118

lol o.k why don't you have a cry about your life and your boyfriends like you used to years ago on PF> you don't have the intelectual capacity to understand these issues blanka.

Gilinski is a sociology proffessor , and your qualifications are? to comment so surely on how history and culture affects decision making processes?

Lenka
15 May 2020  #2119

History and culture plays a role but when it comes to death and destruction almost all countries experienced that. It not something unique to Poland. Simple as that

antheads2
15 May 2020  #2120

thats why he mentioned communist occupation as well, but u ignored that. So the fact that all the post communist countries have extremely low death rates compared to the west, is a coincidence?

Bratwurst Boy
15 May 2020  #2121

What about Russia then?

Russia confirmed 10,598 new coronavirus infections Friday, bringing the country's official number of cases to 262,843.Russia now has the world's second-highest number of coronavirus infections

themoscowtimes.com/2020/05/15/coronavirus-in-russia-the-latest-news-may-15-a69117

And they don't even count most of their dead....

Why Moscow didn't count 60% of suspected Covid-19 deaths

edition.cnn.com/2020/05/14/europe/russia-coronavirus-deaths-intl/index.html

jon357
15 May 2020  #2122

exuberance that we are indestructable

Is not generally thought to relevant to viral infctions.

spain didin't have their country destroyed by the Nazis

No, only ravaged by a bloody and protracted civil war during the previous 5 years.

mafketis
15 May 2020  #2123

ravaged by a bloody and protracted civil war

Which Spain is _still_ not over (as anyone with even a passing knowledge of the country would/should know).

jon357
15 May 2020  #2124

Exactly. And neither that nor Poland's recent history have any great relevance to those countries' response to Covid. That is led largely by public health specialists. The economic recovery will be based most likely on the country's economic base, markets and any restrictions.

mafketis
15 May 2020  #2125

neither that nor Poland's recent history have any great relevance to those countries' response to Cov

I do think there are cultural factors that are of relevance to the coronavirus response but it's not a simple cause and effect scenario...

delphiandomine
15 May 2020  #2126

If you write that with a straight face then you are a moron.

It's the usual PiS supporters thing. They will repeat anything that their rulers tell them, because they're incapable of independent thought.

KorkiTaczer
15 May 2020  #2127

In that case, you sure pass as the biggest pisior of them all :*

delphiandomine
15 May 2020  #2128

I do think there are cultural factors that are of relevance to the coronavirus response

For sure, you have to look at the Spanish weekend culture - something that you only see during the warmest months in Poland.

Miloslaw
15 May 2020  #2129

Covid-19 ----> Germs -----> Germans

Seems logical to me...... ;-)

Great britain and spain didin't have their country destroyed by the Nazis, or suffer

This is very true.

ll the post communist countries have extremely low death rates compared to the west, is a coincidence?

No.
It is because these countries do not have the massive interaction with the world that the UK and USA have.
You are less exposed.

mafketis
15 May 2020  #2130

This is very true.

Again... in cased you missed it, Spain had the Spanish Civil War (incredibly destructive and traumatic - it's been called a dress rehearsal for WWII) and then 35 years of rule by a repressive authoritarian dictator...


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