Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees

Regrettably, I've got to agree with you on that last point.

An increasingly outdated concept - there's even 'deassimilation' of existing immigrants/expats happening now through improved technology. Think of Poles in the UK. London is nearer to Warsaw by plane than Szczecin is by train if you hop on a Ryanair - cheaper too. They can watch Polish TV, shop on allegro, chat online in Polish, work with other Poles, get their news from Onet or WP, worship in Polish and of course spend all their free time with other Poles living a Polish lifestyle. It's the same more or less for people from much further away.

The Vietnamese community in Poland largely live in a bubble already - no assimilation whatsoever.

This isn't a bad thing. There are and will always be people like myself who engage in the wider community and don't live in an expat/immigrant bubble, and there will always be people who are the opposite.

Short term, this can and does cause tensions (as we can see in the UK with Poles who are there only physically) however as the generations pass and as people marry outside their family's ethnicity more and more, we all become one, taking the best from non-indigenous cultures but, since culture comes largely from geography and environment, improving what was once the host culture.

This has happened for millenia and is happening now. No attempt to stop that by social engineering has ever succeeded or ever will.

@jon357
however as the generations pass and as people marry outside their family's ethnicity more and more, we all become one,

Does that stand for Muslims marrying none Muslims too ?.

In time, all changes.

I don't see how. Maybe you need to educate yourself on Islamic ways.

You talk rubbish to be honest, nice idea but that is all it is.

My wife is my 2nd wife, I have no children with her. She has 1 sister and 3 bothers. Her father was a Ukrainian child pow saved by the British from a death camp. He married a English woman and had 5 children. Non had Ukrainian first names, my wife and her sister after marriage has completely English names.

My wife's niece, a educated girl, apparently. Well her mother had a English mother and Ukrainian father. He never taught ANY of his children Ukrainian and never spoke it. She had a English father and a complete English name.

She changed her name from English to a Ukrainian name and took on her mother's maiden name. She named her daughter a Ukrainian name. She learnt Ukrainian and talks Ukrainian to her daughter who is 5.

She has taken on something that her parents weren't even taught. She even wears Ukrainian dresses. F'n idiot. This romantic view these people have and educated too.

So to believe that everyone assimilates as the generations pass is a fantasy.

Everything changes. BTW, I've probably forgotten more about that than you will ever be able to learn.


Didn't really understand the post, did you.

Lol... funny.

I understood it and so did you, but acceptance is something else. Also in Islam it is forbidden to marry a non Muslim, just saying.

Nice soundbite but I very much doubt it.

Where did you live in the UK then Jon ?

On another forum an individual actually made this argument and sourced this

If you've been sitting around wondering if Japan will go extinct one day, then wonder no more.
The answer is yes - and that day is apparently August 16, 3766.

At least, that is, according to a doomsday clock put together by researchers at the country's Tohoku University

metro.co.uk/2016/09/13/japans-sex-crisis-could-cause-the-whole-country-to-go-extinct-6125001

These folks are openly using the word extinction. As if being demographically replaced is not the same thing (how are Native Americans liking life about now?).

The year 3766. Humans won't discover scientific solutions to "this problem"? Technically there already is one - babies born in a laboratory. But "European values" would never allow that anytime soon At least. You damn well know the Asians would do it and they'd rig it so that these test tube babies are aesthetically beautiful and genetically brilliant. Just watch the Asians turn this "problem" into a benefit

EU can survive only if accept necessity of positive changes. More important, western Europe and EU must recognize importance of Slavs and their contribution as natives of Europe. For sure, every pressure on Slavs must cease.

@nothanks

Oh of course they will especially the Chinese. Those guys are some Machiavellian shrewd mofos. And the government would get nearly the whole society to comply just like with the 1 child policy.

Also that's why I compare what is happening to western Europe and the migrant crisis to the ancient incas/Maya and the Spaniards. Well, we are the native Americans now...

Well only be so lucky to have government subsidies and drown our livers in alcohol on 'native European reservations' in the coming 100 years when native Europeans and are no longer a majority on their own continent. I'm willing to bet though we won't have the same minority protection status and benefits that we've afforded to these same groups decades earlier.

Its going to happen its just a matter of time.. Native Europeans will be a minority in their own lands. The native French are already a minority in Marseilles and this is just the beginning.

You keep harping on about Marseille - have you ever been there ? It's pretty nice, certainly just as nice as Wroclaw.

Is it true that French natives are in a minority ? I would be really surprised if foreign born citizens were over 50 percent of the population, but I can't be bothered to check.

Don't you think there are probably some 90 somethings sitting in Germany wondering why Breslau is 99 percent Polish ? Times change and cities change - Marseille was 40 percent Italian before the war.

If things have changed for the better since this? If so, what policies helped?

france24.com/en/20130627-debate-Marseille-gangs-out-of-control-part1

computer says no...

numbeo.com/crime/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Poland&country2=France&city1=Wroclaw&city2=Marseille&tracking=getDispatchComparison

Arabic is the most widely spoken language in Marseilles. French is 2nd place. Some Muslims I.e. Tunisians will self identify as frencb...

Yes I have been to Marseilles Calais and much of western Europe... I was in Marseilles ome 10 years ago and the same streets I've walked on are now on tv and all over the web teeming with foreigners that wewnr therent there en masse. The effects or the migrant crisis can really be seen.. Even some of the places I've been to recently like London I can say has very sadly changed for the worse than they were some 10 15 years ago. Hell I think id take a carribean banana republic over some estern euro nations like Germany or France. At least w brexit some things will change and Sweden halted migration and is attempting to send people back. But France and Germany are doomed to become countries where the native French and German will in several generations become minorities in their own land.

And no wroclaw doesn't have women in headscarves walking around ever and foreigners burning trash cans and cop cars ...we have beautifully restored cathedrals and safe streets not exclusionary zones and mosques. We may have football hooliganism but we don't have terrorism...

The majority of the good people of wroclaw, Poland wish to keep it this way.

Absurd comparison. If Breslau were still within German borders then it wouldn't be 99 percent Polish.

@ Diggler - sad state of affairs. I appreciate your insight.

they brought it on themselves Dirk

In the case of England/France - yes. They imported the inferior people their Empires dominated. Little logic there

But what is currently occurring in Sweden/Germany has roots in motives beyond just putting $$$ in the pockets of the elite

So you are counting Muslim French, who were born there, as foreign ? Including Zinedine Zidane

Probably had more rime than Wroclaw at any point in time - 1930, 1950, 1990 etc it's a port city with a long history of organised milieu crime.

I like ie the place - yes Wroclaw has a nice center and is a great night out but Marseille has more to do, better nightlife, better food and drink, better scenery and weather, more history, better shopping

Let em have it. If it means no terrorism and the majority disappearing ill take my 2nd rate beta city. With globalisation its all the same anywhere anyway. The rich have their luxuries and toys. Wroxlaw has petty crime but not much organized crime anymore.

Also as far as breslau belonging to Germany it also belonged to probably and dozen other monarchies each representing different countries towns principalities etc. They're mostly all inbred cousins as it is anyway if you study the bloodlines. But At least it kept it in European hands. When a populations coffers are drained, people are replaced demographically, and their culture gradually wiped balkanized that's usually the result of something terrible like war, famine, invasion or in this case something less threatening sounding migration but when left unchecked and uncontrolled it has dire consequences. Personally I think every country should have its own native people as the majority running their own affairs and looking out for their own interests.

Also Lwow use to be polish but im not go na cry over it. I like the status quo anyway. I'm not some greater poland irridentist

I would say it's nicer. We're going there this year for a while. Amazing food, both French and Arab.


Spot on. Things change (and Poland has changed massively over the centuries already) and will continue to do so.

Hopefully in a patriotic rather than a decadent/multi-culti direction. Things look good at present. 3/4 of Poles (including the hitherto migrant-welcoming PO leadership) oppose accepting invading Muslim hordes, and young people are now more patriotic as well as Polish-history and heritage-minded than ever. A most optimistic prognosis! Żeby Polska była Polską! (Google translate!)

That's only what a super-partisan paid or volunteer multi-culti propagandist would say. In some cases there may be improvement, in others -- valuable traits and values may be lost and replaced by inferior ones. That's also been happening since time immemorial.

Habits change.


Don't be silly, Po.

Despite what Radio Maybach and the print arms of the PiSlamic State might claim, there are no invading Muslim hordes.


You mean they won't abandon their country when called upon to serve it? Well, that's good to hear.

Not in Poland thanks to the government's sensivble immigration policy which now even your beloved Schetyna espouses. (For vote-getting purposes of course, because he's seen the survey results where 3/4 are oppposed; he's also taken the enhanced interrogators, back-alley thugs and other SB scum under his wings.)

BTW not onyl Hungary and Croatia have built horde-proof barriers but Denmark has also closed its doors to the intruders and even milksop Sweden has started deporting illegal aliens. Let's hope they soon start dismantling the no-go shariat zones and law enforcement regains control of those areas.

Indeed they do. Let's hope they don't change into bad habits such as recreational drugs, cheating on one's spouse, wide-beating, dipping in the till, gourmandisation, alcohol abuse (50 beers a night for instance) and sexual deviation.

@Polonius3
wife-beating

stick to the topic please

Assimilation is a neutral term -- neither good nor bad; it all depends what one assimilates to. Some of the things peddled by television and pop culture are certainly not worthty of emulation to mention onyl the excess of wanton violence. If you found yourself in a society where female circumcision was the norm, would you rush out and have it done to your pubescdent daughter? There are places where the pulsating brain of a live screeching from pain monkey is a delicacy, but probably many adventurous eaters would not want to assimilate to that custom.

Another vital consideration is whether the immigrant is accepting, neutral/indifferent or aggressive towards the norms of the host country. Is he simply fond and proud of his own culture and eager to share it or is his attitude hostile and intrusive -- where his goal is to replace or destroy the host society's culture with his own?