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Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees



gumishu
12 May 2017  #3,211

Take Poles in Ireland

I haven't seen any data of how many Poles there are in Ireland, - AND - I do not support demanding Polish to be taught in schools there - even if there were 10 per cent of Poles in Ireland I wouldn't support it - I hope Poles in Ireland (at least those who want to stay there) integrate well and that their children become fully Irish (for the benefit of themselves and Ireland) - if Polish parents want to teach their kids the Polish language they can do that on their own and as I can imagine nobody stops them from doing right that

Polonius3
12 May 2017  #3,212

against human rights per se

No, I'm against using deceptive high-sounding labels to conceal what the culture warriors really want to achieve -- turning everything on its head. Everything can be and has been called a "right". Hitler's Jew-suppressing "rights", Stalin's right to work -- everybody had a job even if it meant half a million dying while ordered to make a river flow in the opposite doirection. Pre-natal infanticide has been called an aboriton "right". In America there are gun "rights" and we coiuld go on and on....

Atch
12 May 2017  #3,213

same people who cherish multiculti diversity are disgusted when hearing that polish kids want to learn polish language in their country.am confused

Yes you are indeed confused. Polish children in other countries learn their language at home in the normal way. The request of the Polish government is that Irish children should have to learn Polish in primary school, that Ireland should change its national curriculum and introduce Polish as a compuslory subject for all children. And where please did I state that I cherish multi-cultural diversity?

gumishu
12 May 2017  #3,214

Yes, it's a very silly idea that somehow white people will become extinct by inter-racial mixing.

ok I misunderstood you perhaps - I am not against interracial marriages btw - I guess most people choose a spouse of their own race anyway so you are probably right that natural mixing of the races will not lead to the disappearing of the white race

Atch
12 May 2017  #3,215

I hope Poles in Ireland (at least those who want to stay there) integrate well and that their children become fully Irish (for the benefit of themselves and Ireland)

I hope not! It would be sad to see them lose their language, culture etc. I would like them to retain their Polishness and yet embrace their Irishness. It's a tricky balance but let's hope it can be done. Pol-Irish! Oh and yes, the Poles in Ireland generally integrate very well.

Lyzko
12 May 2017  #3,216

Practically everybody has their preconceived notions as to how their society should look. Perhaps the hardest task we humans face thus far is somehow learning to abandon those preconceived notions, as unfortunately, they often no longer apply to today's world.

Tough as it is for me as well, I find myself continually asking myself whether the alternative is much better:-)

gregy741
12 May 2017  #3,217

get a grown-up to read it to you while you chew on your rusk.

great,finally i found an expert in white skin evolution..heheh
so let me ask question,why mongolians,or Kazakhs,or eskimo are not blue eyed,blond hair people? its colder climate with far less sun exposure that in France or Germany.why asians have no round eyes?or is it sun that make them shorter?

hun,lemme tell you smthing
skin colour is indeed caused by level of sun exposure(but even this is just theory) but race classification is based on more that just skin colour.

experts dont know why europeans developed blue eyes and blond hair.most probably reason is interbreeding with neanderthals
and different asian appearance is result of their different ancestor called denisovian people.
and no.black people who settled in europe will not turn into white thanks to little sun they will have here

Lyzko
12 May 2017  #3,218

False.

People developed into what they later became overall as a direct, although not singular, result of the climactic conditions in which they originated. Africa and Scandinavia haven't the same climate, therefore, their denizens will look quite different owing to genetic adaptation.

And that's straight from Darwin:-)
lol

gregy741
12 May 2017  #3,219

People developed into what they later became overall as a direct, although not singular, result of the climactic conditions in which they originated.

not that simple.there was alot of interbreeding with local different variations of homo heidelbergensis such as Neanderthals,homo denisovans ect. giving human invaders different features.

middle east and europe had massive interbreed with Neanderthals ,thus blue eyes and blond,red hair

Atch
12 May 2017  #3,220

mongolians

Ah now Mongolians. Lots of the kids have fair hair and their skin tones (depending on what part of Mongolia they're from) are not brown but pink. Wasn't old Genghis Khan described as ginger with green eyes??

I never claimed to be an expert, why are you referring to me as such? I merely directed you to the experts but too many big words for Diddums I suppose.

gumishu
12 May 2017  #3,221

Ah now Mongolians. Lots of the kids have fair hair and their skin tones

this is actually pretty simple - Mongolians and other turkic nations have an admixture of white race genes (the further west the more)- ever heard of Tocharians Atch?

jon357
12 May 2017  #3,222

a direct, although not singular, result of the climactic conditions in which they originated

Exactly. Simple science. One race, the human race, and it's irrelevant what skin tone or other distinguishing features we have. In any case, the human race is remarkably consistent among mammals for our similar appearance.

If skin tone in Poland becomes 50% darker or 50% lighter, who would care?

johnny reb
12 May 2017  #3,223

The Polish people would be my first guess but certainly not ex pat Marxists that live in Poland
Keep Poland Polish

gregy741
12 May 2017  #3,224

I never claimed to be an expert

so i will explain it very simple to you.
before human invaded europe and asia ( africa theory)there were many more waves of pre human genus homo who were living in those areas very long.

Neanderthals in europe and middle east or denisovans in asia. both denisovans and neanthertals are evolution product of homo heidelbergensis,who settled there long before human existed.

those human interbreed with them thus giving different features to final product. climate have some part in this but minor compared to interbreed.
some theories claim that human developed in different parts of earth straight from homo heidelbergensis locally and did not come from Africa.
the last one is that homo heidelbergensis developed into human in todays middle east or armenia georgia area.

Polonius3
12 May 2017  #3,225

Polish as a compuslory subject for all children

That sounds a bit fishy. You're saying Poland want Polish to be made a required subject for all kids in Ireland? I'm sure they want it to be made availble with no coercion involved.

gumishu
12 May 2017  #3,226

You're saying Poland want Polish to be made a required subject for all kids in Ireland?

I never heard about it to be honest -can you Atch give some source on that

Ziemowit
12 May 2017  #3,227

God doesn't know what path humankind will take, and it's because human beings have free will

If God doesn't know that, then surely Michel Houllebecq knows. Didn't I add Monsieur Houllebecq into my sentence, you smart ass?

only God (or Michel Houllebecq) knows what path it will take

Look at the North of Ireland where white people, both of Christian denominations with many shared cultural norms couldn't co-exist peacefully

NIreland is a very good example against what Polly says about white Christians vs. brown Muslims. But is it really against it? Only in part, namely in that part concerning the white against the brown, and it seems to me that religion is a much more important factor, in fact is decisive factor as the cause of a struggle between two communities living together in one state or one province fairly isolated from the mainland as is NI. Language is not a problem, the skin colour is not a problem, but religion seems to be one. In a broader sense it is the system of beliefs of which religion is only a part, but a decisive part, the "organizing" part, if I may say so. Notice that the conflict of a similar nature as in NI slao happened in the the slowly crumbling Yougoslavia of the 1990s. All whites and all Christian, those living in Serbia and Croatia plus the Muslims people in Bosna and you have a barrel of gunpowder, as we say in Polish, ready to explode when favorable circumstances for that arrive. In Poland you could see the (peaceful) zeal with which the Polish state pressed the Orthodox church for uniting themselves with the Roman hierarchy, the action which was largely successful, but next you could see the enormous zeal, often violent, with which the Russian empire pursued to reverse this process after the dissapearence of Poland from the map, an action which was also largely successful. And let's not forget the St. Bartholomew's Day massacre in France among many other conflicts of this type. So religion which embodies and organizes a system of norms and beliefs and next transforming them into the feelings of (national) identity is what matters most.

A natural question that arises out of this is: are we able to eradicate religion in the hope of putting an end to numerous such conflicts that were taking place so far? As an answer, I recall several reports describing radical Muslim ideology in Europe. These reports quote those Muslims as saying they absolutely despise white Europeans who are atheist as being complete null in their eyes in contrast to white Christian Europeans whom they treat as enemies, but enemies equal to themselves. And that's the big difference in norms and beliefs between those two worlds of which those Europeans willing to welcome herds of Muslim people arriving in Europe do not seem to be fully aware of. Nature does not tolerate vaccum and if a religion falls down, next there comes another one willing and ready to take over the empty place.

And I am saying all this as an agnostic rather than a religious man.

Dirk diggler
12 May 2017  #3,228

I doubt its compulsory its probs my like a side course or a Saturday school type of thing... Aktho I could be wrong..

You'd be surprised at the sheer amount of polish Saturday schools in my city where parents send their children, often American born, to learn polish language, history, grammar, etc and to socialize with other poles. These parents go out of their way to give their kids an extra education. No extra education is meaningless and no one can ever take away what you learned - with the exception of maybe a horrible car accident where you have to relearn everything.

Lyzko
12 May 2017  #3,229

But Johnny, as the world continues changing at nearly incomprehensible speed, the very question as to what is "Polish", "Irish", "German", even "American" is being turned on its head, challenging any foregone conclusions as to what is typical for such traditional cultural expectations:-)

Years ago on prime time TV, there was a public service commercial featuring a Swedish woman talking with a French accent, a Spaniard with a decidedly British accent, and finally a black African with a German accent. "Some people think that a Swede should look just like this (showing a characteristically blond, blue-eyed man), a Spanish person should sound like this, and a German should be like this......A man named Adolf Hitler felt the same way!"

Some fourty years have since passed and I've never forgotten this powerful spot.

nothanks
12 May 2017  #3,230

challenging any foregone conclusions as to what is typical for such traditional cultural expectations:-)

If the EU has it's way, travelling from Miami to New York to Chicago will be no more culturally different than London to Paris to Berlin. That is not a cultural marxist future I look forward to

Meanwhile

shift

Lyzko
12 May 2017  #3,231

The European Union - A Work in Regress.

I never once indicated that I am anticipating such a transformation, only that it may well be inevitable.

nothanks
12 May 2017  #3,232

I don't think the word "inevitable" is fair when these shifts you mentioned in your post are force fed [I.E. Anti-Hitler propaganda to encourage accepting people of color]. This isn't occurring naturally.

Lyzko
12 May 2017  #3,233

Surprise, nothanks! I couldn't agree more roundly:-)))

I too regret the onward march of Trumpiana, with her clamoring for ever cheaper and cheaper Third World labor, mixing a toxic swill until our civilization becomes barely recognizable to her closest relations, save for those at the absolute summit of wealth who can afford to retreat to saner climbs.

The way yours truly bravely keeps from going bonkers every day is by reminding myself that indeed these changes ARE unnatural and that hopefully through example, the rest of humanity will one day return to their senses.

Concerning accepting people of color, so long as one continually repeat the mantra that we were all created by the same G_d and that the starving in Sierra Leone are of the same seed as the English Royals, I feel almost vilified, knowing that in the end, we meet the same Maker!

jon357
12 May 2017  #3,234

the very question as to what is "Polish", "Irish", "German", even "American" is being turned on its head, challenging any foregone conclusions as to what is typical for such traditional cultural expectations:-)

Indeed. Poland is changing too. I was out somewhere tonight and coming home we drove along ul. Mazowiecka in Warsaw, a street full of bars and clubs (usually higher priced though not very cultured ones, the kind of place that people who work in fashion shops go to mingle with minor celebrities) and I was very surprised how diverse looking the people there were. No bad thing really.

Dirk diggler
12 May 2017  #3,235

That's because its warsaw and its the downtown part. Outside of the major cities centres you'll find only poles and a newly arrived Ukrainian minority with the random Chechen here or there. I remember my grandma telling me when she first saw a black guy in real life some 20 years ago in poland she couldn't stop staring because she had never seen a black person before.

Whenever I go to wroclaw and feel like I need my own space outside of family and friends even if for only a night or two I typically stay at skytower and its also a very diverse crowd. The hotels, markets, and city squares are diverse but nonetheless id still say poles are the overwhelming majority. I certainly hope poles don't ever become a minority in their own country - its more and more apparent that native French are doomed to that destiny.

What is a Spaniard a polish woman etc is determined by Google search now more and more.

Lyzko
12 May 2017  #3,236

If the majority have slowly morphed into the minority, one has only Big Business to thank for it. No aroma is more seductive than the scent of cheap labor:-)

jon357
12 May 2017  #3,237

If the majority have slowly morphed into the minority

I've never minded that. After all, I spent 7 years in one of the few neighbourhoods in the UK where I was in a minority. It wasn't a problem. Even here, although I'm very asimilated, there are still a few cultural differences.

It's much more about who you are and what you're like as a person than any other factor.

Dirk diggler
12 May 2017  #3,238

Some of the migrants that come in are utterly clueless about western culture and even just daily things. I remember seeing a video of some Somali women with their kids totally confused at how to use an escalator in a mall. Yes some of the migrants can be used in low wage unskilled work but there's only so many jobs like that available. Furthermore, many don't want to work because the benefits are better than what they'd make. The more entrepreneurial ones will claim benefits while working some sort of cash job even if it's selling individual beers on the beach.

I remember watching a video on YouTube with a British politician discussing immigration how it was first an experiment, then a source of cheap labor, and now the answer to a declining birth rate. He wasn't too happy to say the least about the situation.

I personally don't see what's wrong with a declining birth rate. I see it as a positive since there's already too many people in the world. In developed countries, automation and technology has replaced many low skilled people. This will continue to occur. Also its not as if Swedish or German people would have disappeared just because theyre not having as many children and are deciding to have children later in life. That's true the world over in developed countries. I don't see why we need to import people just because a country isn't having as many babies.

Poland has been chopped up, disappeared off the map, annihilated in war, controlled under ussr yet we emerged stronger than ever. I think if Poland continues to do what its doing and continues to develop closer ties to the visegard 4, the Baltic tigers, and other eastern European and Slavic countries well weather this migrant crisis without a problem.

jon357
12 May 2017  #3,239

utterly clueless about western culture.......a video of some Somali women with their kids totally confused at how to use an escalator in a mall

People learn. I've seen Poles encounter their first escalator after moving to the UK. Never mind the wide-eyed look on their first ride on the DLR.

a British politician

Which one? Some are good, some are, well, politicians...

a declining birth rate

Combined with mass emigration of the young it creates a problem - Lithuania and Latvia are suffering from this more than Poland since the outward migration of young people, mostly graduates, is dramatic. Most Poles who are now in middle age will find their elderly care will be carried out by people who are not yet in Poland or Europe. many will be Indonesian or Chinese, who will certainly settle permanently.

Dirk diggler
12 May 2017  #3,240

Yes people learn IF they assimilate. When you move to an area where its all Mexicans/Arabs/poles and only speak Spanish/Arabic/polish whilst interacting only with your own people and your own culture an individual will not learn or thrive in their new country. They'll remain a statistic to be used by politicians. They may get some ideas from television and pop culture but that's not assimilating. Such people will tend to be poorer as a result too. There's plenty of neighborhoods in Europe where one can get by never learning the native tongue or adapting to the new culture. In fact we've seen that many of the migrants don't want to adapt to the new culture but rather impose their culture on their new country or at least be left alone to not assimilate and adapt. This is the issue France and Sweden are facing with their exclusionary zones. Many people simply refuse to assimilate and even those that want to find it much harder because of the environment that they're now in. It is partially the fault of the politicians for allowing these areas to pop up instead of spreading out the population more. Although maybe they tried to do that just with the sheer numbers they weren't able to. People will always feel more comfortable with their own kind.


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