Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees

Prijatelju brate pane Grzegorze is that really you? Is that really THAT Grzegorz?

after all these years again on this beautiful forum :)


Anyway, you said it nicely

Not really, since, as we've established already, Poland is the largest net recipient of EU subsidy - and part and parcel of that is adhering to the binding promise made to play a full part in European affairs; giving as well as just taking.

If a Polish government wanted to shove a burden back on "several countries", then they should also return every zloty (of the billions already received) to those "several countries", now shouldn't they?

Nope, the poster you refer to (and recogonise as your own) is a nasty nationalist - what we all want to see less of in an integrated Europe. He forgets that ALL progress that we see in every Polish city, on every highway, and in every gmina was at least 60 per cent paid for by the sweat of other people - foreigners - with their GDP.

But instead he ******* about his imagined utopia of an island state, untouched by all around it. As a member of Nato, Poland also has a duty to contribute to armed conflict where the interests of the alliance are involved.

Instead he prefers to warble on about a "greater Poland." Living in a fantasy world.

As the Godfather of soul famously put it, it's time for "The Big Payback."

You've got the solution in #442. There's been an endless series of wars and humanitarian crises going on in Africa/ME, it's nothing new, in all previous cases it was down to sending them humanitarian aid (to their countries actually...) building there tent camps for displaced persons, moving in some UN soldiers to protect them etc. Never before there have been an exodus to Europe on that scale, not even close... why ? Because they knew it's pointless and most won't be allowed in. This time it's different as someone made it a part of some disgusting political game. Just look how the problem is getting worse month by month. Anything new happened in Africa or ME in recent weeks ? Nothing. They simply see that others were allowed in so more and more (of friggin economic migrants) just pack up and go.


Yes it's me :)))


Here goes your "logic" :))))

This is all very nice, but the point is that most of those refugees want to go to Germany, not to Poland.
The reason is that they have transited through Turkey, or have relatives in Turkey, and have heard that Germany is the place to head to (there's a large community of Turks in Germany).

So let's imagine that Poland adheres fully to the European affairs, how is that going to work?
Are we going to set up a lottery, where the winners are entitled to go to Germany and the loosers go to Poland?

That reminded me about: :))))



Anyway, even If some are send to Poland, they will end up in Germany rather sooner than later. What else ? Keep them locked in prisons ?

We know that you PiS people have no pride, and don't care at all about Poland's standing in the world.

Real Polish patriots do - very much so in fact. They include my family and friends - and they are ashamed of people with views like you matey.

well, are you aware dougpol1e that Greater Poland practically could be comprehend as new Commonwealth around Poland. So, why would you as part of Polish diaspora fear of it when i as a Serbian dream of it?


good, good. They still didn`t assimilate you. Still first to fight ;)


don`t manipulate here please. All what Anglos and Germanics giving to Poland isn`t just their help for Poland. Its rather their investment in assimilation of Poles.

Same in the U.S.A.
The the refugees/immigrants want to live in the southern warm States that pay the most welfare
The refugees/immigrants want the American schools to teach their children in their native tongue and feed them their native foods in the school lunch program.

The refugees/immigrants want to be eligible for government health care even though they have never paid into the program
The refugees/immigrants want to go to Germany and not Poland tells me that being so ungrateful to a country that offers them safety should boot the whole damn bunch of them back where they came from.

They flee the burdens of their country, come to a host country and are determined to instill their old culture into their new home.
The refugees/Immigrants have taken over Sweden, London, France, and now they want to take over Germany leaving Poland to be last since they are the poorest and of strong Christian faith of the lot.

What is the matter with the E.U.'s head not to see the motive here. I am glad Poland is not blind to it.

All the former colonial powers are merely paying the price for their erstwhile exploitation and imperialism and should bear the brunt of the refugee crisis. But why should the poor people of Serbia, Hungary or Poland suffer. Let's not forget that Germany also had a colony in West Africa and the Third Reich engaged in quasi-colonisation of the Euroepan east. Thankfully that only lasted hafl a dozen years.

I agree...(doesnt that make a nice change..:)

@Pol: my concern is that they don't seem to be screened, anybody's dog can enter EU, including terrorists and would be terrorists and this is scary but politicians obviously could not scare less. We cannot compare so called "gastarbeiter" coming to Germany and to other countries in the 1950's and 1960's with today's situation. In those days, first of all, migration was controlled. Now, it is total anarchy (heard today that Hungary is going to be very tough and use its army) and I'm wondering how many millions of migrants EU will end up with by the end of 2015 and then our politicians are "surprised" after any election because of extremist parties' high scores.

Politicians are completely insane an irresponsible and bring us chaos. In order to help refugees, best to do as H. Clinton said.

This whole refugee crisis may prove to be Europe's undong for many decades to come. On the backs of authentic refugees fleeing war, persecution and extreme poverty, more and more Indians and Pakistanis are taken advanatge of the chaos and slipping into the EU.

@Pol3: absolutely, many (including terrorists) take advantage of current chaos to enter EU but our politicians could not care less. All they want is to have cheap labor or publicity as it looks "good" in the media to pretend to be so "generous".

Once more, the EU proves to be a total failure. And amazingly, the (by taxpayers overpaid) Junker, Tusk and the clique are very silent about the crisis...

I very much liked the words today (about Hungary's role and responsibilities in the current refugee crisis) from the European Commissioner (and former Polish Premier/future President) Donald Tusk. The background to his words was:


The awful Viktor Orban from Hungary (in a real panic now; they feel, probably accurately, that they can't cope with the situation) had played the culture card and Commissioner Tusk slapped him down beautifully:


bbc.com/news/world-europe-34136823

In Poland, they're quick enough to proclaim their Christian faith, build giant Jesus statues and vast echoing modern churches. Now it's time to see those values in action...

Hitting the bottle this early in the day? Poland is done with shifty-eyed Donnie for good!


Has Commisssioner Tusk consumed so many Brussels sprouts that he forgot about the Ukrainian refugees entering Poland by hook or by crook? That's a problem other EU countries do not have to contend with and should ne included in the 2000-strong share assigned ot Poland. It's obvious why assorted peripheral activists and rainbow devotees favour a large refugee influx. The resultant confusion will take some of the heat off the toxic, marginal causes said activists are plugging.

Poland has no special responsibility for the refugees from there, either. And they cannot be used as a way of shirking participation in the current humanitarian action.

Surprising indeed. It's happening all over Western Europe !

I totally agree with you. We are moving into a new world order where Europe will be predominantly an Islamic continent and unfortunately, when Islam is the predominant religion/political force then that spells bad news for minorities

Tusk put Orban where he belongs. Anyway, those not willing to accept refugees should not be given any further EU funding and should have to pay back everything they received from EU so far. Let's see how tough they will act then. What a bunch of populist schmucks. When their own populations were flocking away to Western Europe to escape persecution and then to escape poverty, Western Europe welcomed them with open arms. Now this schmuck says it is Germany's problem! He will never dream of being 1% of the leader that Merkel is.

I'm currently in Germany but I plan to return to Poland in the long term. And let me tell you: I don't want Muslims in Poland. It's more trouble than it's worth.

Germany should take all the refugees and get a discount on the EU contributions they pay. Germany has vast empty regions in the East (mostly Mecklenburg Vorpommern) with pop densities lower than eastern Poland. So the Refugees should be settled there. The regions would be re-vived and it would have the nice side effect of getting rid of the Neo-Nazis there. (MVP has astonishing nice country side but no one can be expected to visit there because of the rampart Neo-Nazis there).

@Perun,

Muslims have been in Poland for centuries and you wanting that or not doesn't change that.

the problem is that only 4 max 5 countries do help and welcome refugees and it is interesting to notice that former "Eastern' countries are not too eager to do so. Russia too has not taken one single refugee.

Of course these people need help and compassion (as a political refugee's granddaugther, I understand and agree 100%) but considering the huge problems to be expected in all EU countries welcoming said refugees, Would it not be better to do as H. Clinton has said?

Needless to say, it western countries stopped selling weapons and destabilizing the Middle Eastern area, we could have have current situation and of course because of the chaos, a lot of islamists enter Europe.

I was reading comments this morning about that poor 3-year old Syrian boy (may he rest in peace!) in a several French speaking fora and 99% of posters were accusing western governments of the situation. They have a lot of blood on their hands, including blood from that poor child. Shame on them! I am so mad...

@InPolska,

The problem is compounded by global indifference. When you are indifferent towards your neighbor's problems eventually they could become your problems.

"In Poland, they're quick enough to proclaim their Christian faith, build giant Jesus statues and vast echoing modern churches. Now it's time to see those values in action..."

I think majority of Poles wouldn't mind a few thousand CHRISTIAN refugees from Syria - those people that actually are being killed by the islamic monsters.

@Polsyr: as you know, there are only 4 or 5 (always the same) countries that help in all situations.

If the EU gets involved, all the 28 countries should chip in.

"Tusk put Orban where he belongs."

Tusk doesn't put anyone anywhere. He's just a pathetic servant without power to do anything.

"Anyway, those not willing to accept refugees should not be given any further EU funding and should have to pay back everything they received from EU so far. Let's see how tough they will act then"

LOL ! Dream on Mr enlightened. There's totally no legal basis to do that, not without shutting down the whole business and that won't happen because... (pay attention now) Gerries benefit the most from the whole thing, their own friggin economists say so.

I am gonna have to stop answering unregistered users.

@InPolska, some people want money, jobs, benefits from EU but no responsibilities. Again I say, if you don't want to help the rest of the EU, fine, pay back the money you already received from EU and take back every citizen from your country that receives benefits in another EU country. Otherwise shut the hell up and do your part.

Quite, especially when there are so many names and so few individuals cowering behind them.


Infuriating, isn't it. Time now to put Poland's much-vaunted Christian principles into action. And yes, being fully part of the EU means sharing in more than just the subsidies.

honestly Jon I think the UK has more duty to step up than Poland does.
Perhaps if Blair had not been warmongering in the middle east, this situation would not have occurred.

"I am gonna have to stop answering unregistered users."

OK I will then copy and past the same thing once I'm back home.

"@InPolska, some people want money, jobs, benefits from EU but no responsibilities. Again I say, if you don't want to help the rest of the EU, fine, pay back the money you already received from EU and take back every citizen from your country that receives benefits in another EU country. Otherwise shut the hell up and do your part."

It's just your wild fantasy, now take the hands out of your pants and face reality. No EU country can be "punished" that way by anyone, besides we are not talking about the rest of EU but about 3-4 countries that actually created the whole mess, made several countries (like Greece or Hungary) suffer terribly and now search for idiots to take over this hot potato. That's the reality, Poland, Czech Republic and others can just show them the middle finger and big feckin nothing will happen.

"G look at the map of Greece and explain how a coastline like that could be 'well protected', please."

1. it could be much better protected, Greeks don't do that as they know these people are not going to stay - they are heading to Germany mainly, so they give them free pass - can't blame them, It's Gerries blabbling around that they will accept 800 thousand more, what is making this human wave move in the first place.

2. Once they get there, they should be arrested, checked and sent back where they came from - that's what all normal countries do with people illegally crossing the border.

"Besides this is not an 'illegal immigrant' problem"

This is an illegal immigrant problem, for God's sake these people are mainly young males from sub-saharan africa, what does it have to do with Syria ?