Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees

I cannot agree more with this statement.


I think it's pretty obvious that the Slavic nations don't care about others one jot.

An article in the British Independent today:
"These five countries could break European law with their policies on Muslim refugees"
i100.independent.co.uk/article/these-five-countries-could-break-european-law-with-their-policies-on-muslim-refugees--bJ5p5r08Sx


+100

Spot on G, the Polish people are wise to what this is all about and do not want their country polluted like the rest of Europe.

They want to keep Christian Poland Christian Polish.


Isn't it funny when a crisis arises that everyone turns to the Christians to do the work and pick up the tab. Infuriating isn't it ?

Maybe Europe will be a little more understanding of American taxpayers who give BILLIONS and BILLIONS of foreign aid to endless countries yearly.
What about the 13 million illegal refugee's that are living in America at the taxpayers expense.
Time for the European taxpayers to pony up for a change.
Russia take in refugee's........are you living in a fairyland ?
Bottom line here folks is this whole crisis has been designed to fail.


And Jesus wept...............

Well, that doesn't seem to be a European problem yet, because most refugees want to go to Germany. They didn't want to stay in Greece, they just transit now through Hungary and head to Germany.

For now, that's mostly a German problem, and Merkel is now waving threats on Schengen and EU cooperation, and promoting "European values towards people in distress" - but she's actually in trouble because the result of next elections will also depend on how she handled the situation.

In fact, she's not really threatening, she's calling on her EU political partners for help.

Not long ago, for those who don't remember about the details of those "European values towards people in distress":
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3163899/Angela-Merkel-condemned-heartless-bringing-Palestinian-child-tears-TV-girl-asks-deported-German-leader-says-t-come.html
That doesn't mean that those refugees shouldn't get help. But refugees quota (which is the topic of this thread) is a political problem, and Merkel is trying to force Poland to welcome refugees who'd be forced themselves to go to Poland.

"...and Merkel is trying to force Poland to welcome refugees who'd be forced themselves to go to Poland."

And will likely finish off her political "allies" in Poland with this issue :))))

So you would have sent Poles back to "Poland" in the year 1940 and would have told them they are cowards because they didn't fight for the liberation of their country? Your comment is heartless and ill-conceived.

It's unprecedented really, but a bigger humanitarian issue than anything else.

In an underlying disguise to infiltrate.

But they did for the large part, where they could. You can call Syrians a lot of things, but "cowards" isn't a word that springs to mind. That should be reserved for the Polish, Czech, Slowakian and Hungarian elite, for refusing to face up to their humanitarian responsibilities.

And they wonder why the Germans historically view them with disdain :)

From the Guardian "Two UK MPs, Labour's Jess Phillips and the SNP's Drew Henry, have said they would be willing to take a Syrian refugee into their home."

Over to you, Ryszard Kalisz............ :)

Britain doesn't look too good either...

theguardian.com/world/datablog/2015/may/11/which-eu-countries-receive-the-most-asylum-seekers

Let us have in mind that non of these countries have direct responsibility for the `refuge issue`. Indirectly yes, due to NATO and EU membership, over shared responsibility but, not directly.

in any case, once more is proved how NATO and EU bringing `many nice things` to Poland.

From what I could make out, Europe is seen as 'safe haven' esp for fleeing Christians.
But what do we know .

Hungary is in Europe, they do not want to stay there either. Posters here have said that Poland joined the EU for the money and should not try and pick and choose which European dictates they want to obey, yet, you seem happy to allow these so called refugees to choose, not the first safe haven, but, whichever country they deem to be the most generous.

Yes - I read that. But if we go back 20 years, Britain has granted asylum to many thousands of refugees more than Germany. Not meaning to defend Cameron and his Tory chancellor, in any shape or form.

Ted Heath, or even Margaret Thatcher, who had a certain reason and fire - had some appeal in battles - but this hapless duo don't speak for me. Anything that casts Britain on the same moral plane as Poland - which has no moral authority whatsoever - and probably never had (read the copies of diplomatic exchanges for 1919....) - has to be taken in a very serious light indeed.

We British have class - and don't want to sink to Polish levels of approbrium in the international community. But this UK government is clearly taking lessons from Mrs Szydło.

Poland is considered the European bible belt. Meanwhile UK has be-headings on busy street corners and rapes by ethnics are swept under the rug. This is why an individual like Trump is having success in American politics. The pendulum in Western Culture has swung too far towards PC. You have just admitted that the biggest fear in your life is others labeling you racist. Do you possess a back-bone?

Exactly. It's already a very diverse continent, no matter how much some racists (not that they are in the majority, even here the 'guest posters' who spout this rubbish have several user names) huff and puff ineffectively. This is a relatively small number of people coming to a continent with an already declining population.

Mmm - never met a Pole who read the bible. My father in law is very religious and goes to church 3 times a week. Never heard him quoting from the bible though - let alone reading it.


Who? Where? Have I missed the news?


If you mean, and I think you are suggesting such, that most rapes are committed by blacks ( the majority of who were born in the UK so as British as I am) and that the British gutter press hide it from the population, then I don't think that is very likely. Do you?


He's having a run. Only a rich country could indulge that sort of luxury. He has as much chance of being elected president as you do I suppose.....


Lost me there........... What is your point?

As to backbone - I admire the Syrians greatly actually. They have it. I hope I would be as brave and resolute as these people who are fleeing civil war. And for the other poster who said that Bodrum is great and that the Syrian dad should have stayed there and built a great life with his wife and children....

You have clearly never been to Turkey :)

300,000 refugees? Where are you getting this comical total. Germany alone will be taking in 800,000.

You still have not answered why we MUST take them in. Do you think people will forgive British colonizing because in 2015 you accepted some Syrians? My argument for declining the migrants is because I want my grand-children to have the same advantages that my grand-parents fought for.

USA, UK & France are warmongers. Force them there.

Capitalism is about give and take - or at extremes - boom and bust.

So now is YOUR time to give. it is clearly not rocket science.

Without the EU, Poland would be so out of the picture economically that everybody would still be driving around in beaten up old cars, instead of everybody leasing new Skodas.

Of course, you wouldn't remember the old Poland. I do. Victorian England had Charles Dickens to chronicle it's horrors. A Polish author will come along who will tell the true story of Poland's stagnation and criminal corruption both during the communist era, and beyond.

Bow down before the mighty EU and give thanks! And bloody well act and stop whining!


That is just a red herring - "Up to a third..."

We are having to deal with the so called two thirds then.

That leaves Poland, Czech, Slowakia, Hungary, the UK et al with a moral dilemma.

In a mythical world, where humanity rules:

President Dougpol would direct European grants, and house quotas in each country according to GDP. Countries in eastern Europe would have new districts added where the asylum seekers could be housed, kept safe and educated.

Of course in the first place, in apathy-ridden or hostile countries, that would lead to some problem of ghettoisation, but the areas would be patrolled by EU appointed wardens (armed) to keep the football Nazi scum away at fear of their lives. Those granted asylum would of course be free to travel - but would not be afforded the same quality of life and opportunities as in their adopted country. And in 5 years they would be accorded full rights.

Poles wanted capitalism and freedom. President Dougpol would force quotas on them to teach them some (much-needed) humility.

Here is a problem with your thinking... what makes you think that just because a country is very friendly to refugees, that there won't be ghettos or problems. This is a myth.

Sweden is a good example... very friendly to refugees, but apparently they are horrible when it comes to integrating them into their workplaces (i.e. a lot of newcomers can't get jobs or are demotivated from getting jobs), and which leads to more problems.

Here is one recent article I came across (but to be fair, there are articles that are also positive about immigrants in Sweden).

ca.news.yahoo.com/port-city-grenade-attacks-shatter-swedish-sense-safety-093804411.html

Don't get me wrong I'm not opposed to immigration, but immigration policies need to be level-headed (and not to prove some point).

That's not a real argument.

There are very very few Muslims in Poland. Nowhere near the quantities in other European countries.

I think many Poles identify Syrians as predominantly Muslims and as such they have seen how multi-culturism has already failed in other western countries. I can't blame the Poles for being resistant to having this problem forced upon them.

The argument goes a lot deeper though. There should be a clear distinction between refugees from war torn countries and migrants (who are simply looking for a better, easier life-sceptics may call them "luxury seekers").

I fail to understand why people from Pakistan and Afghanistan are classifying themselves as "refugees". There are safe havens in their own countries.

I'm also more than a little pi**ed at the United States. Their foreign policy is mostly responsible for the stirring the North African continent up and they should be equally responsible for dealing with the mess they created instead of sitting back and letting Europe have to deal with it.

There are also many other Muslim countries that should be stepping up but refuse to accept any refugees.

@spiritus; Are you saying that EVERY European Muslim family has 4+ children and lives off of state aid?

You know everyone, if really look at this, this is proximity issue. If Syria and the other refugee countries were closer to the Americas, South, North and Canada would those countries take on those refugees? I don't think so The US immigration policy is so stringent that prevents it, so much so when a European, who is financially independence, with weak ties to their country wants to come to the US for holiday they aren't able because a visa isn't granted. The EU is forced to take them all because they are the closest solvent financially stable countries to those refugee countries. The real problem is their Muslim mentality, run and don't fight for their freedom in their own country, those left wing political MUSLIM extremists are force them out of their own countries and the only place left for them to go is Europe.

I agree with you it's a tragedy for all of those people being displaced, the question is who is responsible for the tragedy but some of their own people who incidentally claim to be Muslim too!

What do you think? How many Poles would have tried to leave Nazi and Soviet controlled Poland in 1941, if they had a fair chance to penetrate through Nazi controlled territory until they would have reached a democratic country like Switzerland or the UK or the US and to seek for asylum there?

Sure at least we've got some common sense left unlike some others that are willingly turning into 3rd world...
speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.454/sweden-to-become-a-third-world-country-by-2030-according-to-un.html

...thanks to mentally unstable individuals of certain type...


Yes Harry, that's why I'm there :)))

Do you remember the last PiS government and the contempt that the rest of Europe felt for Polish legislation at that time?

Do you care at all? This stance to avoid housing refugees irrespective of their creed or religion will harm Poland internationally, and you don't need political affiliation to recognise that statement of fact.

I for one, do care what others think of Britain. If you have zero self-respect, then what do you actually have?


I am clearly not Harry, as you can see from a comparison of the intelligence of our posts :))) But my heart's in the right place - I love your country really and don't set out to be offensive.


So are you saying that, in your opinion, if Poland does not go some way to meeting its moral obligations under the European charter, then you would expect the EC to anyway fully rubber stamp further sanctions against the Russians - without which, market confidence in Polish business will suffer....

And ergo are you saying here that you don't care what happens to your country of origin economically? I am amazed.

WTF ? Polish business is losing damn load of money due to the sanctions.

Cough - I am talking about the money markets and the stock exchange. I thought that was understood.

The trouble being, the Polish taxpayers are never going to be asked. The elites of the EU do not care what the Polish taxpayer thinks. The grand project must go on, the decision being made by people who have not been elected by the Polish citizens but by committees in the EU. The Euro MP's are only there to rubber stamp the commission decisions.

When challenged about his not being elected, the last EU commission president, Jose Manual Barroso said, "I was elected, IN SECRET". Would you accept a Polish PM or a President who is elected in SECRET?

And after they infiltrate Europe and take it over where will the Christians go for safety ? (That is their goal)


Oh I think they are the majority and are very aware as bad as you promote your agenda and try to brainwash with your remarks like that.

It is justifiable to be a bigot when your motive is to preserve Polish culture and Christianity.
Name call with your condescending names all you want but in such a case I am very proud to be a bigot.
No jon, this forum is very aware of why you (a Turk) continually try to promote "diversity" in Poland.
Polish fathers do not want their daughters to breed (several children) with people that have different religious values then theirs to slowly change a country into one that they came from. KEEP POLAND POLISH !


Oh that sounds so sweet. Now read reality.
Once established all their relatives start showing up. Take Dearborn Michigan where a "small number" of them took it over where now it is called Dearbornistan with the largest population of them in the United States. Kids start popping out six to eight per wife.

By law you can only have one wife so they marry one and put the other three or four wives on the welfare dole. Perfect.

They breed like rabbits and the people of Poland know the motive for that as they have seen it first hand happen in other countries that have been over run with them.


The clear case is that their intentions (like your agenda here) is to spread their values until they control the world with it.
They publicly profess that this is the command of Alah.
I am proud that Poland is standing it's ground against these opportunists trying to pollute a righteous Christian country.
They have infiltrated Sweden, London, and France and Germany is their next victim followed by Poland.
I may not be politically correct and even a bigot but your blind if you can't see what this is really all about.

@Dougpol1
You should save your emotional outbursts (I'm talking about your complaints about Poland). Actually by accepting (even reluctantly) a "small" number of refugees, Poland (and a few other central European states) is already doing more for Syrian refugees than Saudi Arabia and most of the rich Gulf states.

You would think that Saudi Arabia and some of the Gulf states should help, especially since they are contribute to the conflicts in the Middle East and beyond

"Our Radical Islamic BFF, Saudi Arabia": nytimes.com/2015/09/02/opinion/thomas-friedman-our-radical-islamic-bff-saudi-arabia.html?_r=0

I recommend you read this BBC article:

Migrant crisis: Why Syrians do not flee to Gulf states
"bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34132308"

Excerpt from the article:

"This comes as part of wider obstacles facing Syrians, who are required to obtain rarely granted visas to enter almost all Arab countries.
Without a visa, Syrians are not currently allowed to enter Arab countries except for Algeria, Mauritania, Sudan and Yemen.
The relative wealth and proximity to Syria of the states has led many - in both social and as well as traditional media - to question whether these states have more of a duty than Europe towards Syrians suffering from over four years of conflict and the emergence of jihadist groups in the country."

This cartoon is also quite insightful.

"The Saudi daily Makkah Newspaper published a cartoon - widely shared on social media - that showed a man in traditional Gulf clothing looking out of a door with barbed wire around it and pointing at door with the EU flag on it.

"Why don't you let them in, you discourteous people?!" he says."

ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/4904/production/_85329681_saudi_cartoon.jpg

My view is that EU AND OTHER COUNTRIES should help genuine Syrian (or other) refugees from conflict zones, but there should be an orderly process, not like it is now with almost anyone trying to force themselves in (whether they are a refugee, an economic migrant, or a criminal). Frankly, there should be refugee centres OUTSIDE the EU in safe countries, and applications should be processed in realistic time from there, not only by the EU countries, but also by other countries like US and Canada. I also think there should be a process where refugees can get necessary travel documents (it's unrealistic to think that everyone will have a passport if they are fleeing conflict zones). For successful applicants, the sponsor country should help with the actual trip. When an country accepts a refugee, most people understand this to be a one way trip and it is not only about providing shelter (your comments imply this); the newcomer will eventually need to learn the language, get a job or an education, but also fit in and contribute, and this process takes many years. We need to be honest here: newcomers from some cultures are more successful in integrating.

I think countries should decide for themselves how many refugees and from where they are willing and are capable taking in. EU cannot help all estimated 60 million refugees worldwide (this figure is from UNHCR). In summary, I disagree with you about your comment regarding Poland (even though there may be parts of your argument where I agree). I'm trying to look at this practically, not idealistically, and from different perspectives.