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Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees



TheOther
5 Sep 2015  #541

The big problem is what will happen if Germany can't cope with the numbers.

If Germany fails, that will be the end of the EU as we know it. Although I understand her from a humanistic perspective, I agree with most folks here that Merkel made a big mistake by inviting the refugees to Germany. Gives the millions that are still waiting in the Middle East and North Africa the completely wrong idea. Not to mention that the refugees who are already in Europe will demand that their families back home should also be brought over. Very dangerous situation, and I'm afraid that democracy in Europe will be under immense pressure very soon. Le Pen, Farange, Haider, Wilders and many, many more of their ilk ... and that was that.

The argument that Germany needs immigration because the German population is shrinking is a BS argument, by the way. Germany is way overpopulated, and a little cut in population numbers certainly doesn't hurt (which is true for every country, IMO). The coporations whining about the lack of experts is also a hoax. I know a ton of highly educated people over there (locals) who are unable to find jobs simply because they are considered too old (40+) and too expensive for the job market. What the industry wants is cheap labor, nothing else. Immigration is good for the bottom line.

Avalon
5 Sep 2015  #542

You are saying that as if Poland wasn't in EU. Unfortunatelly it is so it's also Poland pays, Poland DECIDES dude!

I am sorry you did not understand the post. I was merely pointing out what Inpolska had said some weeks ago and what she is saying now. I am in agreement with you. I hate the EU and all it stands for, the sooner it collapses, the better.

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TheOther
5 Sep 2015  #543

I hate the EU and all it stands for, the sooner it collapses, the better.

A lot of countries will be screwed big time then; Poland included.

Niko
5 Sep 2015  #544

I hate the EU and all it stands for, the sooner it collapses, the better.

It's your right to hate the EU and wish it collapses - but have you considered what the situation could be if that would happen? (Hint: look East)

Anyway, Poland is part of EU now and Poland has the duty to participate to the debate and influence the outcome. Poland doesn't need to model its foreign politics on the western 'consensus'. I find startling that the ones who preach here tolerance towards the refugees are the same than those who deny free expression ("you don't agree with me so you're a racist", "do what you've been told or refund the money!").

There are other ways to solve the crisis than letting everybody in. For example, EU could cooperate (= fund) with Turkey and Jordan in order to organize decent living conditions for the refugees coming there, and convince (= fund) their authorities to make their borders less porous.

delphiandomine
5 Sep 2015  #545

For Kopacz it's a vote-getting gimmick. Szydło has said the situation has gone out of control and the EU has no idea on how to solve it. The Polish government should not be forced to do anything. It should be a sovereign Polish decision. We should first think about the return of people of Polish descent from the east.

It's hardly a gimmick for Kopacz - rather she's just reflecting the will of the people. I wouldn't be surprised if Kopacz and Szydło are more or less agreed on this - Kopacz might find place for Syrian Christians, but that's about it.

Too bad it took a crisis like this for many people to realise the total folly, stupidity and pointlessness of leftism!

This is nothing to do with leftism and everything to do with a CDU-led German government that realises that they need cheap labour to sustain the German export machine. It's very, very similar to the blind eye turned by Republican business leaders in the US towards Mexican labour.

If Germany fails, that will be the end of the EU as we know it. Although I understand her from a humanistic perspective, I agree with most folks here that Merkel made a big mistake by inviting the refugees to Germany. Gives the millions that are still waiting in the Middle East and North Africa the completely wrong idea. Not to mention that the refugees who are already in Europe will demand that their families back home should also be brought over. Very dangerous situation, and I'm afraid that democracy in Europe will be under immense pressure very soon. Le Pen, Farange, Haider, Wilders and many, many more of their ilk ... and that was that.

This is entirely my fear. The whole idea of forcing the V4 countries to take part in something that was orchestrated by Germany will cause their nationalist leaders to be strengthened, and it ensures that the opposition to Orban in Hungary has absolutely no chance of succeeding. I'm absolutely convinced that unless the external Schengen border is strengthened and the tide blocked, we're going to see a diabolical situation emerge in Germany that she won't be able to cope with.

A lot of countries will be screwed big time then; Poland included.

Indeed. What is making me incredibly angry is that Germany has chosen to completely act unilaterally in this case - no discussions with other EU members, no sensible plan in place to take them from Greece to Germany, just an open door and then some sudden unexpected blackmail from Germany towards other EU countries.

It really does seem as if Merkel has been very badly advised here.

There are other ways to solve the crisis than letting everybody in. For example, EU could cooperate (= fund) with Turkey and Jordan in order to organize decent living conditions for the refugees coming there, and convince (= fund) their authorities to make their borders less porous.

I'm absolutely convinced that there needs to be something established to stop them coming in the first place without documentation. I'm not against accepting genuine claims for asylum, but there needs to be something in place to identify those in need. Even the idea of sending people to different EU countries is not a bad idea, but the system needs to reflect reality. For instance - there was the case recently in Warsaw where some Syrian refugees claimed that they were hungry and had no money, but the foundation dealing with them turned round and pointed out that they decided to buy ridiculously expensive food with their money.

And at the end of it, as much as I'd like to think otherwise, I cannot see how we can justify giving a single person claiming asylum anything more than we give EU citizens in Poland.

gregy741
5 Sep 2015  #546

guys..have you actually read whats going on? shocking..those people walking through Europe,beating people,raping,braking into people houses...and,, nothing,no police,army nobody is doing anything to protect citizens..WTF?

i just read blog from one polish leftist traveler..hes coach was attacked by immigrants,s.hit throw at them and they tried to flip over his coach :

This huge mass of people - I'm sorry I'll write - but it's an absolute wilderness ... Vulgar, throwing bottles, loud shouts of "We want Germany" - and Germany is now a paradise? I saw how the older Italian women was surrounded in their the car, pulled her by the hair out of the car and wanted the car drive away. The coach in which I was in the group, tried to swing. Sh*t thrown at us, banging on the door to be opened driver, spat on the glass ... I ask you, what purpose? How does this wilderness is to assimilate in Germany? I felt for a moment as the war ...

I really feel sorry for these people, but if they reach Poland - I do not think that they will receive from us any understanding ... We have three hours to the border, through which ultimately passed. The whole group of police cordon was transported back to Italy. Coach is butchered, feces smeared, scratched, broken windows. And this is supposed to be an idea of ​​the demographics? These big powerful hordes of savages? Among them there were actually no women, no children - the vast majority of aggressive ones were young men ...

niezalezna.pl/70607-granica-z-austria-wstrzasajaca-relacja-polaka-z-autokaru-napadnietego-przez-imigrantow

where is army,police -anyone?

johnny reb
5 Sep 2015  #547

I cannot see how we can justify giving a single person claiming asylum anything more than we give EU citizens in Poland.

yeah well just look what the 1.5% LTGB's demanded and got in Poland.
They didn't seem to be to threaten by the Police in Hungry. What does that tell you about these people ?
Time for Poland to arm it's population and succeed from the E.U. if they want to remain their own country.
Seems when Merkel farts Poland jumps.

BBman
6 Sep 2015  #548

In the end these "migrants" (read: invaders) will cause immense harm to europeans. But for German politicians this is the second coming of christ. They see this as a way to show that germany is not a nazi country anymore as they will accept non-white muslims into their land. And German business leaders are also happy as these people will lower wages in germany and increase profits for these greedy pigs.

LoneStranger
6 Sep 2015  #549

Fortunately now Poland have a good president and a good man that can avoid the worst for the country.

Hello Levi, Poles should take in more refugees. Why?

Try seeing this video: facebook.com/sepidedam/videos/10153529348958954/?pnref=story

By the way, I am a Pole and I already have made it clear my intention to adopt at least 5 families of refugees.

Thanks.

[Moved from]: It is our responsibility as Poles to accept more Refugees

Hello,

Its been long since I've posted here, but now I must. I know that this forum is mainly about Serbians, Hungarians, Americans, West Europeans and sometimes some Asians (who are scared off by people trying to speak for the Poles, without any right of course). But I need to make a statement clear as a Polish member of this so called "Polish Forums".

We Poles want to welcome the refugees, and many of us (the ones who are aware and read history) know that we were also taken in as refugees by people from the East one day. We are grateful.

Please take a look at this video: facebook.com/sepidedam/videos/10153529348958954/?pnref=story

I personally pledged to support at least 5 families, even if it dents my pocket, but I agree to help.

L.

jon357
6 Sep 2015  #550

Exactly. So much of the silliness in this thread comes from regular posters who have a track record of writing hatred - especially for people with a particular skin colour, sexuality or religion. Most of them don't even live in Europe, let alone Poland.

And those people are very quick to trumpet about 'Christian values' when it suits their primitive prejudices, but when it comes to putting principles into practice, all they can do is bluster about people who are coming, somehow not coming.

We've even had a couple of 'Polish patriots' suggesting mass murder.

The crisis is a current one, it needs managing with compassion, and yes, sacrifice, and history will judge the wealthier European countries (and that includes Poland) very harshly if it is managed poorly.

Nathans
6 Sep 2015  #551

I know that this forum is mainly about Serbians, Hungarians, Americans, West Europeans and sometimes some Asians

If this is what you "know" it disqualifies you from any meaningful statements, but ok will read the rest to give you a benefit of a doubt ;)

We Poles want to welcome the refugees.

If their own neighbors who share a thousand of years of the same history and religion don't want to unite and don't want to help each other, it's hard to persuade most Poles that they do the right thing and that it will benefit their core in the long-term. This video looks like a flicker from the Freedom Bicycle Race in Poland (50-60 years ago). It's hard to say about the true motives of making this video; it could be genuine but more likely not.

InPolska
6 Sep 2015  #552

@Crow: for sure, the huge chaos has been created by western powers but don't forget Poland's role. Poland was so proud to belong to socalled Bush's coalition in Iraq and Poles were so happy to go and kill Iraqis. There were even CIA prisons in Poland (nobody can deny it). Poland has fought all the wars in the Muslim areas along with westerners. Thus, Poland is as guilty of the current bor...llo as the others are...

delphiandomine
6 Sep 2015  #553

Well, well, well...

wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/1,114871,18716977,abp-gadecki-kazda-parafia-powinna-przygotowac-miejsce-dla-przesladowanych.html?lokale=poznan#BoxNewsImg

"Potrzebą chwili staje się w Polsce przyjęcie uchodźców z krajów północnej Afryki i Bliskiego Wschodu" - zwracają uwagę duchowni. "Według nauki Kościoła mamy powinność przypominać społeczeństwu o chrześcijańskim obowiązku pomocy uchodźcom ratującym swoje życie z krajów objętych działaniami wojennymi" - dodają.

"At the moment in Poland is the need to accept refugees from countries in North Africa and the Middle East. According to the teachings of the Church, we have the obligation to remind the public about the obligation to help refugees from countries at war".

The Church is essentially offering to take refugees and pay for it. It's quite remarkable that our American friends here preaching about "saving Poland" are so out of touch that they don't even know what the Church is saying.

And I guarantee you that most countries in the EU are more than happy that they don't have to take care of the refugees anymore.

Absolutely. It really changes everything - now every country such as Poland and Slovakia will just say "Germany's that way, get lost" to anyone that they catch illegally in Poland.

guys..have you actually read whats going on?

I wouldn't trust a thing written in that rag that you've quoted, as it's highly likely to be made up.

yeah well just look what the 1.5% LTGB's demanded and got in Poland.

They didn't get anything, so I'm not sure what your point is.

InPolska
6 Sep 2015  #554

@Delph: does it include .... Muslim refugees? Bad news for PiS

PS: among refugees, a lot of homosexuals too ;)

LoneStranger
6 Sep 2015  #555

By this one move of accepting Refugees my Merkel, perhaps (at least as to what I can see), Germany wiped off all the doubts about their heart - conscience - humanity after WW2. This is simply, simply AUGUST. Larger than life. Today I feel very good to hear the song "Uber Alles ..." ... it has a new meaning now...

I have been with PF since its inception ... and I used to have arguments with some Germans over WW2 (just friendly ones :) ... I used to come here to better my English).

Anyways, today I shall sing...

"Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Über alles in der Welt,
Wenn es stets zu Schutz und Trutze
Brüderlich zusammenhält.
Von der Maas bis an die Memel,
Von der Etsch bis an den Belt,
|: Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Über alles in der Welt! :|"

This is the best this Pole who even lost family members during WW2 can do to show respect. Of course, I will be opening my doors too, and so will many of my countrymen.

Dougpol1
6 Sep 2015  #556

Lonestrangers' comments seem to stunned the neocon racists to silence :))))

Crow
6 Sep 2015  #557

We just entered in final phase of EU`s transformation. It would be now openly accepted and known not as Anglo but as Germanic conglomerate, what after all was the original idea. Expect German language to become more and more viable.

Now, one can rejoice. Its not the problem. Problem is that in its final extent, no matter Anglo or Germanic conglomerate, EU leads to assimilation of Slavs or if you want Poles in particular. So, no matter are they see Germany as openly hostile or see Germany as friendly assimilator, Poles would have to decide for themselves- what they want. Do Poles want to continue to exist as Slavs? If answer is positive, Poles should then ready itself for their ultimate effort and that is creation of new Commonwealth. Anything less means just oblivion. But, time has come for final decision.

Marsupial
6 Sep 2015  #558

The eu.will always change it's too new a concept as opposed to.war which is so well developed be 100% stable just yet it's only the start. I don't care who leads it as long as it's fair. Plenty of poles hold senior positions in the eu crow. Besides that the germanics or scandinavian have been kind to others including the fefugees. Meanwhile I see slavs again depriving their own people. Severe lack of street cred or what.

Crow
6 Sep 2015  #559

fair? Its rather about life and death

Marsupial, its a fact that would Poles and other Slavs on Baltic-Balkan line extinct in 100 years. They would be they are already) integrated and assimilated, in biological and any other sense, into the Germanic machinery, far behind turning point.

It means that would one entire human civilization and culture cease to extinct, swallowed by other culture. Now, if its a Polish and Slavic culture, failed culture, then alright let it extinct. But i and many more don`t think that. Its just that complex strategic and geographical position. So there would be struggle because its not fair that some profit on the agony of others. Its a quite fair that we form new Commonwealth.

what is fair when France, Britain and Germany make a deal with world policeman USA and destroy few poor countries, initiate movement of population, create chaos, before all that already initiated chaos in Ukraine, with additional deal with Islamic league chaos in Yugoslavia, Serbia,... and then economically right now strong Germany grab the historical opportunity? what is fair in this?

Plenty of poles hold senior positions in the eu crow.

Tusk and similar?

Well, i expect that Polish people say what Polish people want, not their representatives who ``hold senior positions in the eu``. Rift between these representatives and people increases by every day.

Avalon
6 Sep 2015  #560

Lonestrangers' comments seem to stunned the neocon racists to silence :))))

The people I have met who express most alarm about taking in migrants are neither racist nor inhumane: they are simply aware of the pressures on their hospitals and GPs' surgeries, and of shortages of housing and school places. These are not callous excuses for xenophobia. They are grown-up responsible concerns which deserve a fair hearing.

Crow
6 Sep 2015  #561

Avalon, i agree with your comment. i support altruistic approach but not without taking in consideration all aspects of situation. It means that altruism needs to have its limits

Kennyboy
6 Sep 2015  #562

Avalon, agree with your comment 100%. The pressure on health services, education, housing is massive. What about the less well off local people, what will their reaction be when the local authorities have to make a choice of where to spend the limited funds they have available, help Hans or Abdul ?????????

We will see how welcoming the Germans are when the 1st suicide bomb goes off and believe me, it will. One good idea might be for Poland to accept say 20,000, by Thursday 99% would be heading West, it's not a case of where do we put them, it's a case of where THEY want to be.

Merkal, be careful what you wish for, be afraid, be very afraid. Lets also remember that these people have contributed nothing to ''the system''

Crow
6 Sep 2015  #563

Anyways, today I shall sing...

"Deutschland, Deutschland über alles"

i know how you feel pane brate Lone. i myself had my germanized phases. Still, at the end i always give them middle finger, somehow.

johnny reb
6 Sep 2015  #564

And those people are very quick to trumpet about 'Christian values' when it suits their primitive prejudices, but when it comes to putting principles into practice, all they can do is bluster about people who are coming, somehow not coming.

The Church is essentially offering to take refugees and pay for it.

Another shot from Muslim jon at the Christians only this time he spoke to quick and has inserted foot in mouth.
Now my next question would be how many refugee families will the bleeding hearts jon and InPolska be taking in their homes ? :-)

PS: among refugees, a lot of homosexuals too

And rapists and murderers and terrorists and undesirables.

We will see how welcoming the Germans are when the 1st suicide bomb goes off and believe me, it will

Oh Kenny just because there are one or two bad apples in the bunch you can't judge them all. (sarcasm)
You bet it will and my bet it will be in InPolska's home country France (a very soft target) for payback time of the foiled attempt on the train last month.

The Polish people's wisdom comes by watching what has happened in other countries who have allowed these people to enter.
Sweden with rapes, London sucking the welfare system dry and them telling the police in Hungry to f*ck - off.
Now that they have been allowed in the front door gratuitously, with tens of thousands of them to follow for sure, Poland should take the crime rate of Germany now and again in two years from now and see what the increase of crime is going to be.

Hopefully Poland will stand strong and only take in "war refugee's" consisting of women and children and give the able body young men a gun and send them back to fight with the foreign army that is already in their home country fighting for their freedom against the terrorists like any real men would/should.

Dougpol1
6 Sep 2015  #565

Avalon - couldn't agree less. These people are literally ******** their pants
If the Germans hadn't let some of them in what are they supposed to do
Die of dysentery? This is not 1945.
Your doctor friends deserve a good slap in the mush.

Avalon
6 Sep 2015  #566

Die of dysentery?

Are these the people you refer to?

breitbart.com/london/2015/09/05/watch-footage-emerges-of-refugees-abusing-police-throwing-food-and-water-away-onto-train-tracks

national
6 Sep 2015  #567

Dumb westerners are commiting suicide,that's fine but you will not pull us,Poles into this madness!

gregy741
6 Sep 2015  #568

they will..wait and see...unless we will pull out of EU..but i dont see it happening in near future

DavidMc
6 Sep 2015  #569

Interesting read...

theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/02/poles-dont-want-immigrants-they-dont-understand-them-dont-like-them

"Once again, the government broke its solemn commitment that this year Poland would spend 0.33% of national income on development aid. This attitude is striking for a country that for three decades has taken money from foreign countries in handfuls.

Under martial law, many Poles received packages from the west filled with clothes and food. In the last decade Poland has received tens of millions of euros from the EU in development assistance."

One MILLION poles over here...
express.co.uk/news/world/571575/Polish-workers-on-way-Britain

Anyway, Hopefully their days are numbered...

independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-poll-shows-majority-british-want-leave-10488565.html

national
6 Sep 2015  #570

Lol Don't know about Poles in UK but surely your days are numbered.Not a big loss if you asked me though.


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