Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees

from what i remember ,western states imposed economical sanctions on Poland in order to starve poles..and food was from polonia living in US.

all humanitarian reasons,,,so why westeners never help Donbass children and victims? all of them terrorists i guess?...million displaced..no help from western world...even more...germans and EU did everything to stop and hamper food aid from russia.and the were all clapping hands when pornoshenko stopped donbass people pensions,which resulted in hundreds people starved to death..

No, they didn't. The United States imposed economic sanctions on Poland, but it didn't involve food - it involved prohibiting American technology exports to Poland, as well as reducing Poland to "just another country" instead of one that had MFN status and the possibility of exporting lots to the US. European countries didn't impose any sanctions on Poland.

A lot came from Germany, and don't try and pretend otherwise.

As for the US Polonia, most Poles are sick to death of them going on and on about it at every opportunity like they're some sort of saints.

Exactly!I don't know anybody who received a package from western Europe and besides what does it have to do with commiting national suicide?This is a right moment to leave EU and we need to use this opportunity.This is not union we signed up for and the sooner we leave the better for us.Israel said they will not take any of those fugees and you don't see a single western "tree hugger" criticizing them.Let them bark,aren't we already used to western hypocrites barking in our direction?

And what, go back to the pre-2004 situation?

I wonder how you'll provide work for all those Poles that suddenly require work permits (that won't be granted) in the rest of the EU.


Better? Hahaha. More like a return to the economic hell of the early 90's.


Lies. Israel already took war victims.

Netanyahu lies?


yes,much better.In 90's Poland free of production quotas and other EU **** favoring developed countries was growing.


There will be plenty of work in free Poland.Don't worry about it.

easy choice...better economic hell than islamic terror on streets
Poland was in eco transformation in 90 ,so dont be silly..no return to this.typical leftist manipulation- scaring people to push their agenda


yes they did..they massivly crippled polish economy..even polish gov spokesmen Urban stated that was heavy sanctions on Poland..every pole felt weight of those sanction,few dozen received dirty used jumper and banana...

The Polish economy was in trouble because of the loans taken, not because of the sanctions. Those repayments were what caused such carnage (as in Romania, and later in Yugoslavia) economically. American sanctions were pretty much tokenism.


In the 1990's? Are you kidding? That was the time when medium and high tech companies actually lost market share compared to low tech companies. Don't forget that 3% growth these days is worth far more than 3% growth in 1996.


What Islamic terror?


No return? What makes you so sure? If Poland left the EU, she would be considerably worse off - all those companies in Poznań/Wrocław would immediately move to Slovakia. If that's what you want...

I bet they will be rather glad that they were able to get out of the United Caliphate in time. :)

ask ppl in rotherham,and ppl living in thousands no go places across EU


am 100%sure,Poland will not go through communist to free market transformation after Leave EU..


and whats make you thing that?million poles coming back from UK means lots laboure available...if anything,that would be UK and western factories moving to Poland chasing after poles-en masse.


and US cut Poland off international funds needed to roll over those debts,causing misery for poles

These are the same scare stories which have been tried on and rejected in the UK. EU growth is nearly negative and has been falling for years. Hence Dragi's use of 1 trillion euro spending on QE which is not working.

That's a very stupid thing to say.

books.google.com/books?id=r4al47QG2uYC&pg=PT243&lpg=PT243&dq#v=onepage&q&f=false

Quote: "The citizens of West Germany expressed their solidarity with the Poles mainly by sending them millions of care packages throughout the winter of 1981-2"

deutschlandfunk.de/deutsche-hilfspakete-fuer-polen.795.de.html?dram:article_id=119746

I think we need some perspective here.

Poland is helping with the crisis by accepting some refugees (2200 was the last number I am aware, but I know it could change). I don't think it should be forced to accept the quota system proposed by the EU.

People are criticizing Poland and central Europe, but are forgetting that even some countries in western Europe are not so seemingly enthusiastic about hosting the migrants either. For example, Spain is one such country. It has rejected the EU commission quota plan (the article is from Sept. 4). It will accept only 2,749 of the 5,849 refugees it was asked to re-home. I know that over the years it got a lot of migrants. Again this situation could change.

thelocal.es/20150904/british-and-spanish-pms-discuss-refugee-crisis-in-madrid

It doesn't look like the French are so welcoming to the migrants/refugees either.

"Odoxa published by French newspaper Le Parisien on Sunday showed a majority of French people, 55%, were against relaxing its rules on welcoming migrants, as Germany has done."

wsj.com/articles/french-mayors-urge-interior-minister-to-welcome-more-migrants-1441548516

There is more in the French here:
leparisien.fr/politique/sondage-pour-62-des-francais-les-migrants-sont-des-immigres-comme-les-autres-05-09-2015-5065393.php

62% of those polled think the current refugees should be treated like other migrants (i.e economic migrants). There is a difference obviously how people on the right and left felt. Those of the left were much more for the migrants. There is support for the quota system in France... mainly because the French think they would be exempted from it.

Translated (approximately) from the Le Parisien article: "The French believe that with such quotas likely our country would be exempted... when other, more selfish countries than us would be compelled to take their share of the "misery of the world ". According to official statistics, however, France hosts far fewer migrants than its nearest neighbours, including Germany and the United Kingdom."

Obviously the National Front in France is using this crisis to its advantage too.

Hopefully, I will vote for the UK to leave the EU for sure.

(Polsyr, I'm so sorry about your friends...)
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I was watching the news on Saturday evening - in Wiadomości it was said that Poland doesn't agree for quota system, but at the same time the prime minister said that Poland is ready to take in 2200 refugees. We simply want to have control over the number of refugees, according to some minister.

The prime minister also said something in the lines of: "You (Poles) don't have to worry, we won't take any steps that would endanger the stability of the country."

Btw, CNN anchor said that the US has accepted less than 2000 refugees from Syria. It was during an interview with some guy from Washington responsible for those matters on the government side, or something. That guy said that the food suply is too low in existing refugee camps outside of Europe, Turkey included - the funding is only on 40% of the level that is needed. Hence the exodus of people from those camps, especially that they aren't allowed to work in those countries.

So there you go, that's what I found out.


I don't know if it's a "Christian" foundation and it isn't "my" foundation - I have nothing to do with it.

However, that's the only foundation I know of which helped with taking people from war-torn Syria to Poland and that's all I cared about, tbh.

And who are "we"? You speak for whom exactly?


Those people didn't come on anyone's "invitations". Priests from Damascus asked Estera Foundation for help in bringing these people to Poland, Estera Foundation contacted the Polish government and that's why they're here, as far as I know.

Me or the Polish government weren't sending any special invitations to Syrian Christians in particular.

And in case people didn't realise this - most of the asylum requests for Poland from Syrians have been accepted so far (according to the spokesperson of the Urząd ds. Cudzoziemców). So there were Syrians in Poland who were granted asylum even before those 50 families set foot on the Polish soil. I don't know whether those people are Christians, Yazidis, Muslims, atheists or followers of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster lol


Oh, so, those Christian families just wanted "a change from war-torn downtown Assad Damascus", but all those refugees in Hungary, etc. so pitied by all of you are surely only running for their lives, right? lol What if among those refugees in Hungary there are Christians too? Would you throw them out? Ffs...

Actually, there are three groups among those families from what I've read, if you're interested.
The first group is very grateful for being brought to Poland, since in Syria they had to find shelter in churches and they have literally nothing. They are happy with their stay, the only "but" is that they would like to work.

The second group simply wanted to leave a war-torn country and have a better life. This group also generally doesn't have any "buts". The unhappy ones are thinking about going to Germany or are looking for a contact with communities in Poland that could take care of them.

And, finally, there's the third group - people who had high social status. For them - the whole help, the whole situation of being a refugee is a problem. They expected to be allowed to travel freely around Europe.

So, as for the people who would like to go back or already went back to Syria (yes!) or want to go to Germany - it's about 8-9 families.

That's the reality.
I suspect that among those refugees in Hungary, Austria and Germany right now one could also distinguish such three groups, no matter whether they would be Christians, Muslims, atheists, etc.


What on Earth are you talking about?


Eh? Sorry, but I don't follow you...


Actually, I've read in one of the articles that they are also from Aleppo (and other cities).
Again, this is not "my" foundation and I have no power over whom they are helping or who is asking for their help. As far as I read that foundation wasn't even designed for bringing refugees from conflict zones but for championing human rights, helping persecuted minorities and general help for people suffering from natural disasters, wars, etc.

As for which people really need asylum - it is for the authorities to decide, not for me, I'm not an expert on this. If there are people among those 50 families who really need it - then hopefully they will be granted an asylum. Just like anyone who will apply for it and will fulfil the requirements.


You're pathetic, Dougpol1. You don't want to help people because they're Christians? What about those orphans? Who knows who their parents were? What if they weren't Christians? Would you help them then?

Wtf is wrong with you? You're no better than those nationalists on PF who don't want Muslims in Poland. Disgusting really.


I'm sure I would enjoy them if I were attending any.


I didn't write anything about your written Polish and as for your Polish in general I was being sarcastic since you were hysterically accusing Polish prime minister of something she didn't say without bothering to google for info and basing your comment on your prejudices, apparently. At that time I didn't know that after 23 years of living in Poland you can understand only 30% of the vocabulary in a newspaper article...


According to one of the people who were bringing the Syrians to Poland:
"That man who complained in the letter about living conditions simply expected German life standard. Him and others like him have a problem with living like regular Poles."


Maybe he does :)
Here you have a sneak peak into one of the Polish minds (a comment from 4th of Semptember 2015 of one Pole, a student of political science or sth like that in Warsaw from a discussion about recent refugee crisis on a Polish-Russian blog):

"The whole concept of the European Union is being killed by blackmail and lack of respect for the sovereignty of one's neighbours. Let's add to this ideological rabidness, the loss of any respect for treaties and commitments and general infantilism and lack of responsibility and thus we have the present crisis as it is.

Thinking about the future we have to first of all not give in to blackmail and not give away the absolutely basic sovereignty over our territory, for we may regret such precedence for years to come. This, unfortunately, becomes a habit not only for the blackmailer (how to say nicely in Polish "bully"?), but also for his victim. You will give in once, then again, and later on you will live on your knees all the time, to put it mildly.

Whatever the cost, we can't allow for this to become the standard in the EU and if it's too late for that - at least for Poland to become here that ***** on the side of the road. Not so long ago the EU seemed to be a bit different. Sure, individual interests, mutual animosities, shady deals and the right of the strongest one were playing a role - but besides this there were also treaties, striving for reaching a consensus, or at least a compromise, the pretense of mutual respect and not interfering in internal affairs. Especially Germans seemed to have some kind of restraint.

Now he have some kind of absurd, vulgar blackmail in the style of Russian mafia and total atrophy of responsibility for the continent and its citizens. We have to somehow survive this storm, preferably together in the Visegrád Group, maybe in a few months all will come down a little and some of the "old" EU will come back. Although in my opinion the putrefaction has gone too far already and in the long run there's no salvation, but for now let's take what there is and give in as little as possible, let's maximize the advantages and minimise the losses and first of all let's not allow for us to be humiliated and incapacitated, because it can become a habit."


washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/09/04/the-arab-worlds-wealthiest-nations-are-doing-next-to-nothing-for-syrias-refugees/

Also: amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2014/12/facts-figures-syria-refugee-crisis-international-resettlement/


InPolska, please stop using such childish language - no soldier is "so happy" to kill anyone unless he or she is a psychopath.


InPolska, I'm asking you again - what other wars Poland has fought "in the Muslim areas" along with Westerners beside Iraq and Afghanistan?


I disagree. Not as guilty as the others. The invasion on Iraq would take place with or without Poland's participation. And only Polish special forces took part in the invasion as far as I can remember. So Poland shares some moral responsibilty but the greatest burden of guilt, let's say, is on the US in this respect as the initiator and the main executor of the invasion. Without the US there would simply be no invasion.


Most probably it would be worse off, I guess, but certainly Poland wouldn't go back to the economic level of the 90's. Delph, come on... It was the time of a total transformation of the economic and political systems in a very short period of time, something unprecedented and after the collapse of communism Poland was in a worse situation economically then Ukraine is now. The Mazowiecki's gabinet and the Parliament of that time had an enormous task of saving the country from a total disaster. Fortunately they succeed. I've seen a documentary about this, pretty fascinating - I wish today's Polish politicians were working that hard for the good of Poland... lol

In the same way Russia wouldn't go back to the state it was in the 90's if Putin would lose his power and the liberal democratic opposition would take over again - no matter how Russian nationalists would like to claim that it would.

That's just demagogy or ignorance in both cases.


Any proof, links, anything?


I must admit I also thought it's a fake, but here's the link: facebook.com/kamil.bulonis/posts/10153602955940818
You can try to contact him and check if this is for real, I guess...

@Random: in this current situation, you cannot compare countries like Spain and France with ... Poland and Central Europe.

1. Spain gets a lot of refugees all the time because of its proximity with North Africa (only a few km away from Morocco). Not to mention those South Americans arriving to Spain on a weekly basis

2. France since its origin has been a melting pot (most probably the most mixed country of all Europe). Almost 1 French in 4 is of (rather recent) foreign origin. Do check last names to be found in France ;). The only place to find "real" French is ... Québec. Yes, 55% don't want to take in refugees so it means 45% do and trust me, there are a lot of mayors and private people through organizations organizing to help refugees. On Saturday there were several demos in different cities in France in favor of helping refugees. As to FN, they represent no more than 20% of voters (and it takes 50.01% to be elected ;)).

3. Both Spain and France have received millions of people over the years so no comparison with countries such as Poland.

4. My conclusion is that countries like Poland, who have received so much from everybody else (there are over 1 million Poles living in France, most of whom came to work in the mines before the war) could make an effort. To notice that FN only makes great scores among the French of ... Polish origin ;). Poland has to stop their "daj mi" attitude and think a little bit about others ;).

@Paulina: let's not forget about CIA prisons in .... Poland! How awful!!!! Just to make money Poland let the US torture.... What about Poland socalled "Christian values"?????? Poland heavily involved in Nato as America's little doggy has a responsibility too in today's crisis.....

@Paulina: "Poland has just fought in Iraq and Afghanistan"!!!! And yes, destabilizing Iraq and Afghanistan is the origin of today's chaos. I am no expert in that area but all my life, I have mingled with Arabs and Muslims, including quite a few Syrians and some Iraqis. Before US lead wars, those countries if not too "democratic" as per western standards did live in peace. People of different creeds did live toghether, some of those countries were even rather "laïc". In my young days, I met quite a few Syrians studying in France.

Yes, the socalled "Westerners" (including Poland) are guilty of current situation. Yesterday, the Chinese government accused the US government for that little Syrian boy's death. Yes, the poor kid was killed because of Westerners (including Poland). Amazingly, but these days, we don't hear Obama, Kerry, Clinton and consorts! Are they still on vacation??????

Even if Europe cannot accept millions of migrants (common sense and very soon Germany shall regret), the Middle-East has been destroyed by Westerners so now, it's the Westerners' (including the US) duty to do something to help people.

InPolska,

1. While Spain gets lots of migrants from Morocco, Poland gets migrants from the east, especially Ukraine. Apparently there are 400,000 Ukrainians in Poland according to one report I read. Apparently Ukraine's GPD per head is only a third of Poland's GDP per head. The Ukrainians are mostly economic migrants (just like South Americans or the Moroccans in Spain).

Google shows Ukraine's GDP to be 3,900.47 USD (2013) whereas Morocco's GDP is 3,092.61 USD (2013).
Poland's GPD: 13,647.96 USD (2013); Spain's GDP per capita: 29,863.18 USD (2013)
These numbers would be different if purchasing power parity is considered.

2. One issue I take with your comment is that you fail to mention that many of the people France "took in" were actually from the French colonies. That colonial connection is probably the primary reason for the diversity, and not because France went out of its way to diversity its population or necessarily offer asylum.

A lot of French colonies were in Africa, and the populations poor (many of the colonies were rich in resources which France could exploit). To be frank, I do wonder how France benefited from all its colonies over several hundred years. Would France be as wealthy now if it never had its colonies?

Spain also had colonies so this also explains why its population is somewhat diverse (along with ethic groups such as the Basques or Catalans).

If you want to bash Poland, you should also consider France especially its colonial past too. Yes, Poland has made mistakes (e.g. CIA prisons), but France is hardly innocent if you look at French history as it relates to its colonies. I am not trying to go out of my way to bash France, but the French really should not feel superior. France also has historical baggage.

I know this article is from 2011... France must acknowledge its colonial past... it's regarding the "human zoos" in the 19th and early 20th century.

theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/may/02/france-colonial-exhibition-human-zoo
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As for the Syrian/Iraqi refugee crisis, it's not just NATO or the US who is to blame. An INCOMPLETE blame list should include:

- the Syrian government supported by Hezbollah (from Lebanon) as well as Iran and Russia. Russia provides military aid to the Syrian government. This fuels the conflict.

- the US and its allies (UK, Poland, and other countries during the Iraqi conflict). The US destabilized the region.
- Saudi Arabia, Qatar (and other Gulf states) -- segments of the population support and finance ISIS and other terrorist groups. I think the extremist ideology (used by ISIS) arouse from the Wahhabi religious establishment in Saudi Arabia.

- ISIS whose ranks include many foreign fighters (including many French, Chechens, Saudis, Tunisians, and many more).
- Turkey for turning a blind eye to the foreign fighters who used Turkey to get to Syria and join ISIS. In some ways, Turkey has provided a economic lifeline to the ISIS controlled regions.

- The dysfunctional Shi'ite dominated government in Iraq who alienated the Sunni section of the country, and allow much western part of the country to be taken over by the terrorist group.

- Former members of Saddam Hussein's government who joined ISIS.
- There are probably others too.

Well, one can compare one thing - almost noone wants to go to Poland and Central Europe and apparently none of the refugees wants to stay in Spain either... lol Dunno about France.


And for a good reason - they were rich and there were jobs. Poland wasn't rich and didn't have that many jobs and it still isn't rich and there aren't many jobs either and you won't earn much here, you also won't be able to live on benefits. In Poland you either work or end up in a homeless shelter (at best) if you don't have any family to help you. We read this here on PF from British expats living in Poland all the time: "don't come to Poland, go to Germnay or any other Western country".


Polish prime minister said that Poland is prepared for taking in 2200 refugees, so it is thinking "a little bit about others".


What on Earth have CIA prisons to do with refugee crisis? lol What else is "the Polish contribution" to the refugee crisis according to you? Polish racist football hooligans? lol Maybe also Polish plumbers in France?? :D


OMG, I know, right!!???

lol...


It was a post-communist atheist political party that was in power at that time and your average Kowalski had no idea about those prisons. To be honest, I'm not sure if even the Polish authorities knew what exactly was going on in there.


Invasion on Iraq wasn't a NATO operation.
Also Poland wasn't as heavily involved in that invasion as some of the other "doggies" - the UK, for example.
But as I wrote before, Poland does have some moral responsibilty, I don't deny that, so you don't have to be repeating the same thing over and over again like a broken record o_O


And Libya (France has apparently something to do with it) and Syria - Poland didn't have anything to do with Libya and Syria, though.


InPolska, before the invasion on Iraq I saw a documentary on Planete in which an Iraqi disident was warning that an invasion on Iraq would be a disaster, that it would result in a civil war lasting probably for years and that Iraqis don't know democracy, don't understand it, that there's no democratic underground organised opposition that would be able to take over the power. So if democracy should come to Iraq it should come in the process of evolution and not imposed by foreign occupation.

I think on Saturday I was watching Dateline London on BBC and there was an Arab writer saying that the West should stop doing what it was doing in the past. He said that he and others were warning on TV, even on BBC, time and time again, before any toppling of those dictators what would happen but... noone listened.

I don't know whether it was Western arrogance and stupidity/naivety combined with ignorance or maybe they just didn't care and they thought that it wouldn't hurt them in any way... I don't know...

I know though that one of the reasons why I voted for PO was that Tusk promised to pull out Polish forces out of Iraq.

After that Poland didn't take part in any "wars" and Polish forces are in Afghanistan only because of our NATO commitments.


Poland isn't a Western country lol


Well, it's a bit more complicated than that... That boy was Kurdish and his family was apparently running away from Turkish forces fighting with Kurdish rebels, as far as I've read... And his family wasn't given an asylum by Canada... So there are more "culprits".


Washington spokesperson wasn't too talkative when asked about the refugees either... lol Some nice sentences about "standing by our friends and allies in Europe" and "looking into this matter"... lol


Wow, finally...

Correction:

Google shows Ukraine's GDP PER CAPITA to be 3,900.47 USD (2013) whereas Morocco's GDP PER CAPITA is 3,092.61 USD (2013).
Poland's GPD PER CAPITA: 13,647.96 USD (2013); Spain's GDP per capita: 29,863.18 USD (2013)
These numbers would be different if purchasing power parity is considered.

@Random: you are wrong if you think only migrants from former colonies in France. The Portuguese are the largest foreign commnunity in France. There are also a lot of Poles, Italians, Spaniards, Belgians, Yugoslavs, Armenians, Russians, Greeks, Iranians, Lebanese, Chinese, a lot of German jews in the early 1930's (ex. Cohn-Bendit family, and a lot of Jews in 1945, etc etc..arrived throughout the years and now the only immigration to France is that from EU... My grandfather moved to France to escape from dictorship and he was from a country never colonized by France. So, the myth does not correspond to reality.

Spain too (country that I know very well) has gotten immigrants since its beginning and since so close to North Africa, they get the most immigrants from North Africa together with Italy and Greece.

When Poland shall have accepted as many immigrants as either France or Spain, then they'll be able to criticize others to be reluctant to take in refugees ;)

FYI: according to GW: only ... 16% of Poles would accept refugees.

PS: According to Hungarian government's spokesman, Poland not involved in refugees' route gets ... 8 million euros more per year than Hungary does from EU to take care of ... refugees.

yes well we all know what happened to them , dont we?

@Paulina: when I say "Westerners", I do mean "Nato" and do not include countries such as ... Monaco, Andorra and yes, Poland has participated to war and only has accepted CIA prisons at home and sorry, to accept people to be tortured at home is rather disgusting and shocking. Poles don't care since those tortured were ... muslims.

As to Libya, the problem was that Kadhaffi (spelling?) did finance Sarkozy's presidential campaign (together with .... L'Oréal) (French justice is on Sarkozy's back for illegal campaign funds (and not only) )were to be released (some have been released any way), Sarkozy organized together with the "advice" from his good friend, the airbrushed hair white shirted jet set socalled "philosopher" Bernard-Henry Lévy to assassinate Kadhaffi. Sarkozy did start the whole sh...t and other western nations did move along too....

The problem results form western policies and Poland as part of NATO is an actor thereof too so it's about time that Poland opens its borders and wallet to help others.

When Poland will be as rich as France and Spain then it will be more willing to accept more refugees :)

Btw, we are not criticizing anyone, we're just pointing out that not only Poland is reluctant to take some big numbers of refugees, most countries in the EU (except Germany), and not only in the EU, are reluctant to do so. And we're doing that because you're rabidly bashing Poland as if other more "guilty" countries were taking in millions of those refugees who need help now.


Link?


Really? And why is that? Any link?

@Paulina: it not only a question of money but it also (and maybe more) a question of mentality. Poles are not used to live with others, most Poles have seen "different" people only on tv. Until I came to Poland, I had always lived surrounded by all sorts of nationalities, colors, religions or lack thereof and no problem to me. Only 16% Poles according to GW would accept refugees. For Poles, it's simple: muslims = terrorists, blacks = apes, jews and others, homosexuals = other bad things too. It is very sad but it's the reality.

How could refugees feel comfortable in such an environment?

It's high time that Poles realize that there are good and bad people in all social groups.

PS: re Hungarian governement's spokesman, I saw him saying this yesterday on TV5Monde. Sorry, as I don't speak a word of Hungarian, I did not get his name. Check on the net!

"We Poles want to welcome the refugees"

Yeah, all 3% of you :)))

@G: your % may be right.....

Good post, Paulina

That's exactly the message I was trying to send as well.

Yes and It's out God given right not to take them in, take just some Christians, about the rest, go talk to the Saudis.

"It's high time that Poles realize that there are good and bad people in all social groups."

Nonsense. There are damn loads of Vietnamise here and hardly anyone has any problem with them. Why ? Because they work and don't cause troubles, same goes for a few hundred of friggin thousands of Ukrainians here.

We don't want crowds of muslims here and we don't want crowds of illiterate Africans here. Why ? Just look at France, UK or Sweden, that's why.

That is why:
1.bp.blogspot.com/-QwpfPZQUpfk/VGCCLdOJCWI/AAAAAAAAMjg/xkQl3E7qF5c/s1600/31991muslim_gang_large.jpg
norcalblogs.com/postscripts/files/import/3669-riot.jpg
julyseventh.co.uk/images/rmow-bus-photo.jpg

Now go scream racism and all that mess :)))))))))

InPolska,

I understand you point, and of course the stereotypes/ethnic slurs you mentioned are bad. I'm not going to excuse them.

However, you have not travelled much (or don't read diverse enough sources) if you think that those problems don't exist in other countries -- even in countries where most people are not European.

The link below is just an example from 2014

"Role reversal: Indians may scream 'racism' abroad but they see no problem in mistreating the black community or anyone who looks different, at home"

Time to put an end to Indian racism against black people
dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/indianews/article-2780841/Time-end-Indian-racism-against-black-people.html

India's skin-whitening creams highlight a complex over darker complexions
Products target darker-skinned consumers in a society where marriage websites and some Bollywood stars help to promote the idea that lighter means better
theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/24/dark-skin-india-prejudice-whitening

The above are just examples that I could find quickly; however, I'm not trying to pick on India (I generally like the positive aspects of the country).

Another example from Egypt:

RACISM The Arab world's dirty secret
nytimes.com/2008/12/10/opinion/10iht-edeltahawy.1.18556273.html?_r=0

Adolf style genetical racism is one thing, common sense reactions are another one...

Large number of Muslim Arabs in Europe = social disaster and terrorism

It's been proven on many countries, many enough to know that this time it won't be different.

Besides, what the hell does bringing all these people to Europe have to do with helping them escape the war zones ? Vast majority of them aren't Syrians, vast majority of Syrian refugees are in Turkey, If Turks can't cope with so many of them, launch the "help Turkey deal with refugees" EU action, supply 1 bln EUR and a few thousand people to help them, then Poland surely would cover its fair share of costs, I've go no doubt about it.

lol
You know, torturing people (by USA) is even more disgusting and shocking than agreeing to CIA prisons where torturing people was taking place (Poland).
I hope we agree on this?
However, no matter how disgusting and shocking torturing those 11 prisoners was it doesn't have anything to do with any refugee crisis. I really fail to see conection here. Iraq invasion - yes, there is a connection, CIA prisons - no connection to a refugee crisis.


And you got to know that in the same way as you found out that 99% of Poles think that black people are apes? lol
I'm sorry InPolska but your sweeping generalisations are often simply ridiculous, childish and very unfair.
As for people tortured in CIA prisons, there are Polish people who think that it was wrong and you shouldn't torture people no matter what. There are people who think that it is OK to use some kind of torture or abuse - against terrorists - if everything else fails. Probably there are also Polish people who don't care about those tortures because those people were Muslims. Probably there are also such people in the US and other countries.


So you're saying that different people aren't coming to Poland because of Poles' mentality? And not because it's poor? lol
You know, the West wasn't multicultural in the past either. It got muliticultural mainly thanks to colonies and links to post-colonial countries.
But people from colonies wouldn't be coming to the West if life in the West wasn't better. If the West wasn't richer than their countries.

Yes, it is about money - the mentality comes later.


Because you were lucky enough to be brought up in a multicultural country. Not everyone was so lucky and it's not really their fault.


Link or it didn't happen :)


InPolska, 99% of Poles don't think that blacks are "apes".
There are quite a few Jews in Poland and they are doing fine.
I think there is a growing distrust towards Muslims due to all the last events: ISIS, Boko Haram, Australia hostage taking, Charlie Hebdo, Tunisia attacks, terrorist activity around Europe, etc. etc. Poles are bombared with such news on regular basis and that's their only contact with Muslims and Islam. So I'm not surprised at all.

I'm sure you understand that people usually are less prejudiced or aren't prejudiced at all when they have a contact in real life with different people and there are plenty of Muslims in the West. I'm writing "usually", because it's not always the case (for examplle, attitude towards blacks in the US isn't always so great). And by the way - about blacks - the only contact average Poles have is usually also the TV where there's usually news from Africa shown and those are usually bad news - starvation, horrible wars, ebola and God knows what... There are also many American films on Polish TV and blacks quite often are depicted in those films as "gangstas" so there aren't that many positive examples either... But, again, I can assure you - 99% of Poles don't think that black people are apes... ffs...


I'm sure they would feel better in most Western countries than in Poland. That's why I don't understand why you people are so fixated on placing them in Poland despite the fact they don't want to come here. You don't care about what they want and about their well-being?


There's always a good time to realize this but you writing this on an internet forum won't change anything. Poland has a different history than the West (don't forget the total isolation during communist times) and doesn't have any recent experience of a multicultural society. That's the reality - wishful thinking won't change anything.


I tried googling both in Polish and English and I haven't found anything.


Thanks :) Your posts are good too, and more informative than mine. I guess we complement each other ;)



3%?
Why not 1%? :)
After all, according to InPolska only 1% of Poles don't think that black people are apes... lol
So, you're probably too generous Mr Undercover :)


Or the treatment of albinos in Tanzania which is mind-blowingly horrific and shocking!!!!! (you're favourite word, InPolska lol :P).
And one could go on and on with examples, of course, just as random wrote.