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Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees



johnny reb
14 Sep 2015  #931

lies..i checked it..according to media both marches had about 100 people each...

And delph claims it was 50:1 in favor which is also not true.
What little town were you in to see only 200 people marching from both sides ?
In Warsaw (Post #1321) shows a hell of a lot more (thousands) in that video.
Do some homework before you start calling people liars.
Only Harold has that privilege here.

delphiandomine
14 Sep 2015  #932

lies..i checked it..according to media both marches had about 100 people each...

Wrong. It was about 300 or so on the "pro" side and a handful on the "anti" side. Poznań is a very liberal town, so the anti side was never going to attract much support here.

Having said that, I went there as a neutral observer (I can't stand idiotic anarchists, nor can I stand idiotic nationalists), and from what I could see - it was basically fringe left wingers against fringe right wingers. The most interesting thing was that there was a very, very low amount of foreigners there.

Grzegorz_
14 Sep 2015  #933

There's no a single town in Poland where pro crowd is in majority or even close... although it depends how would you define "pro". Personally I could be even "pro"... in some way... If totally ridiculous mess wasn't made out of this crisis and some drunk, unelected EUnuch wasn't trying to force us into it...

johnny reb
14 Sep 2015  #934

The most interesting thing was that there was a very, very low amount of foreigners there.

The "foreigners" organized and met up for Warsaw's march where they marched with the nationalists who out numbered the idiotic anarchists (libiots) about 10:1. Go back to post #1321 and watch the video coverage for yourself if you are still in doubt.

gregy741
14 Sep 2015  #935

some data from Switzerland regarding Muslims contributing to society.:

Among the refugees from Eritrea 91 percent does not work when it comes to visitors from Iran 84 per cent . , 87 percent of Syrians . Even refugees from Sri Lanka who are considered to be the most integrated , not pulling specially for the job. 75 percent unemployed and living on benefits . 89 percent of Turks. Most are hardworking are Chinese people - 69 percent unemployed.

hope this will end stupid "massive" economic input of muslim immigrants in rapidly ageing society of europe-argument ,some di.ckheads been using here on this forum..

bazonline.ch/schweiz/standard/Aus-Asylanten-werden-Sozialhilfefaelle/story/19937027

wpolityce.pl/swiat/264896-niewygodna-prawda-o-imigrantach-szwajcarzy-skarza-sie-ze-oni-nie-chca-pracowac-wola-zyc-z-zasilkow-stalismy-sie-ich-zakladnikami

Caucasus Muslims storming polish border...ehhh zem German benefits make ppl crazy:

youtu.be/--wRlKByHs8

Terry Zazoff
14 Sep 2015  #936

5000 protestors doesn't seem like much interest at all. Not many people in Poland can be bothered with protests anymore.
The pay isn't good enough.

Ironside
14 Sep 2015  #937

Pressuring Poland by some European countries is an example of bulling, blackmailing and disgusting behavior of richer countries trying to pull their weight in manner that is absolutely unacceptable. F! them!

Poland should leave the EU altogether.

White Europe
14 Sep 2015  #938

There was a demonstration in Warsaw, Poland of 10,000 people (SW estimate). The demonstration through central Warsaw passed the US embassy. Another protest, organized by the local Wrocław Anti-War Coalition (WKA), was held in the city of Wrocław in the market square by the town hall, with 400-500 people participating.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_15,_2003_anti-war_protest

How is the average person in Poland or the US responsible for what the elites do? Using your logic, you are also responsible because the UK participated in the Iraq invasion as well.

Polsyr
14 Sep 2015  #939

What happens to those wihtout documents

Documents = quick check + continue.

No Documents = registration + continue.

Nobody was turned away up to early this morning. I don't have a more recent update.

Polonius3
14 Sep 2015  #940

recent update

Many dzienks! So you're actually at the border observing all this?

delphiandomine
14 Sep 2015  #941

I would actually go to the border and see for myself too, but alas, back to work.

Polsyr
14 Sep 2015  #942

So you're actually at the border observing all this?

No, but someone I know crossed from Austria to Germany with his family this morning and this is what he saw.

delphiandomine
14 Sep 2015  #943

Slovakia has now reintroduced border controls with Austria and Hungary.

What a total and complete mess.

Ironside
14 Sep 2015  #944

Poland Should opt out from EU! As soon as possible!

mafketis
14 Sep 2015  #945

What a total and complete mess.

How much longer will Schengen survive at all? Lifting internal borders only works if external borders are secure and fossilized rules of asylum (which are now mostly dysfunctional) and German policy have underminded that. Probably forever.

Oh.... and Germany is now lecturing Greece about border security...

greece.greekreporter.com/2015/09/13/german-chancellor-merkel-urges-greece-to-work-on-eus-external-borders-protection

What a loathsome politician and leader Merkel is proving to be, she's rocketed up my 'least favorite national leader' rankings to Putin levels
(and that's saying something).

johnny reb
14 Sep 2015  #946

So much for the economic arguments.

So now it turns into the WELFARE argument which is another reason Poland does not want them.
Very little welfare in Poland compared to Germany.

It's hard to believe that it's been only a matter of foolishness...

And Poland had the brains to see through this foolishness and say no, we don't want foreign welfare recipients to drain our countries meager pocketbook.

Poland should leave the EU altogether.

They will, it's just a matter of time. Why do you think they never change from using the zloty to the Euro ?

Poland Should opt out from EU! As soon as possible!

It is the only way that they will be able to keep their culture 99% Polish which no other European country can boast of.
This mass invasion by these undesirable is just the beginning of Europe's problems and Poland is VERY AWARE of it and wants no part of.

Stand strong Poland

Kennyboy
14 Sep 2015  #947

''read all about it'' latest update, military personnel deployed by Poland and Czech republic at their borders, (CNN newsfeed) at last people are getting it.

Well said johnny reb regarding distribution of wealth, roz, I would love to see your reaction on the day you retire to be told, sorry sir/madam no pension for you because we've given it all away in benefits to others, carry on working. When the money's all gone there are only 2 things you can do, 1) leave it empty and all suffer 2) re-fill it by taxing the workers even more, what's your choice?

Polonius3
14 Sep 2015  #948

military personnel deployed by Poland and Czech republic at their borders

Poland is ready to impose controls at its borders with other European Union members in case of any threats to border security, Prime Minister Ewa Kopacz said on Monday.

She also said she told European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker that Poland would not agree automatic quotas for accepting migrants and that Warsaw demands a strengthening of controls at EU's external borders.

uk.reuters.com/article/2015/09/14/uk-europe-migrants-poland-border-idUKKCN0RE11X20150914

delphiandomine
14 Sep 2015  #949

I think there's a pretty broad agreement in the Sejm about this - Poland will not stand for German attempts to force anyone on Poland.

InPolska
14 Sep 2015  #950

Poles are always whining they have no money ;). Spain which is comparable to Poland shall accept over 14,000 (over 1/2 of migrants shall be taken in by 3 countries: 1. Germany 2. France and 3. Spain).

Spain which is not richer than Poland is generous...

jeden
14 Sep 2015  #951

"Poles are always whining they have no money ;). Spain which is comparable to Poland shall accept over 14,000 (over 1/2 of migrants shall be taken in by 3 countries: 1. Germany 2. France and 3. Spain).

Spain which is not richer than Poland is generous..."

Bad to Spain. BTW Spain richer than Poland. Spanish GDP is 2x bigger than Polish GDP. Although Poland is developing pretty faster than Spain but We need time.

InPolska
14 Sep 2015  #952

@Jeden: how many threads in PF (but not only) to tell us that Poland is the best, the richest, the most intelligent, most beautiful.... country in the world and now you're telling us that poor Spain is twice richer than Poland (besides million times more beautiful)???

Spaniards are open and generous.

jeden
14 Sep 2015  #953

I don`t know what are You reading but gentlmens don`t discuss about facts. Check the GDP Spain and Poland. We can ofc. talking that unemployment in Poland is 7-8% and in Spain 24 %. But Spanish GDP is bigger.

We are not open.

Harry
14 Sep 2015  #954

We can ofc. talking that unemployment in Poland is 7-8% and in Spain 24 %.

Which is one of the reasons that there's no shortage of Spaniards in Warsaw. Given the labour shortage in Poland, I'm amazed that Poland isn't offering to take more refugees.

Poland will not stand for German attempts to force anyone on Poland.

Poland has a rather unfortunate history when it comes to refugees and Germany (but back then Poland wouldn't even accept certain Polish citizens who were 'asylum seeking refugees').

Sparks11
14 Sep 2015  #955

Here is an interesting article....

The owner of Amrit Kebab does not want refugees in Poland. "I see these faces and I am ashamed. They'll bring just mess"

Even some Syrians are opposed to helping migrants. - Genuine refugees can be one-fifth of the crowd. The majority want an easy life on the dole which promised Angela Merkel - says Ghazali Abdulloh, the owner of well-known restaurants in Warsaw Amrit Kebab.

natemat.pl/154119,wlasciciel-amrit-kebab-widze-te-twarze-i-wstyd-mi-narobia-balaganu

jon357
14 Sep 2015  #956

Sparks, do you think the owner of a niche Syrian business with little competition, like Amrit, might have other reasons for not wanting an influx of potential owners of niche Syrian businesses.

There are various kebab places run by people from Iraq, Kurdistan etc. Amrit is one of the few Levantine places, relatively authentic, in the pl. Wilsona one anyway) in an affluent area, licensed to sell alcohol and relatively upmarket. It's very much in his interest not to see the market flooded.

Sparks11
14 Sep 2015  #957

Of course, I wouldn't take one person's view as the absolute truth on anything. His comments about Tunisian voices in the crowd and reasoning as to why wealthy and educated Syrians wouldn't bother coming are worth a thought though. I wouldn't disregard his views completely just because he may have business interests to take care of. Good for him though, that's the kind of people that need to come here, people with a couple hundred thousand dollars to invest in creating a business. Not the economic refugees.

Kennyboy
14 Sep 2015  #958

Right, lets work backwards, the countries that have re-instated some kind of border security. Denmark, Germany, Austria, Hungary, Serbia, Macedonia, whoo, looks like there all going back to Greece to register. Madness.......

Grzegorz_
14 Sep 2015  #959

Spaniards are open and generous.

Allah praise them. We are more practical.

Polonius3
14 Sep 2015  #960

more refugees.

More refugees = more trouble, headaches and expense, overstraining the infrastructure, refugee slums, crime, potential terrorism, etc. Most are not even bona fide refugees but parasires, people planning to live on the dole, shoplift, pick pockets and destroy any accommodation they'll be provided with. Rather than shedding crocodile tears, all the self-styled do-gooders should share their flat with one such refugee family. But be sure to count the cutlery every day.


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