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Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees



delphiandomine
17 Sep 2015  #1141

First of all Goldstein, I never objected to Poles or Germans in need getting help from their respective governments. I asked why some migrant who illegally crossed into a country and never paid a cent in taxes or any other contributions is entitled to such benefits? He's not.

He certainly is in Poland and all EU countries if he applies for asylum. Everyone does it in a different way - for instance, NGO's in Poland have taken up the role of funding them rather than direct governmental funding, but it's all the same thing at the end of the day.

Sorry mate, but Europe isn't America and we look after people that apply for asylum.

Secondly, my point remains that the Polish welfare benefits are paltry as confirmed by your own link.

They exist. You're the one that tried to claim that Poland doesn't have housing, food or healthcare benefits, and you've been shown to be wrong.

mafketis
17 Sep 2015  #1142

we look after people that apply for asylum.

Do "we" ever actually deport the fakes?

nothanks
17 Sep 2015  #1143

Look at all these Brits angry because their homeland is flooded with 3rd World trash. Doing all they can to unleash the same chaos on Poland

Sorry. We actually fought the Nazis and Soviets. We won't bend over for Arabs, like you.

delphiandomine
17 Sep 2015  #1144

Do "we" ever actually deport the fakes?

Poland does, at least. From what I know, Poland tends to keep them locked up while their claim is processed if they're at high risk of vanishing - and if their claim is rejected, then at least for ones that entered from Ukraine, they go back there.

Not a clue about what happens in Germany, but the UK is staggeringly inefficient at doing so.

Look at all these Brits angry because their homeland is flooded with 3rd World trash. Doing all they can to unleash the same chaos on Poland

Sorry. We actually fought the Nazis and Soviets. We won't bend over for Arabs, like you.

Less of the "we", please. It's obvious from your lack of transference errors that you're not a native speaker of Polish.

gregy741
17 Sep 2015  #1145

letter from poles living in Ukraine:
Poles of Donbas : Why do you prefer immigrant -Muslims from us?
if not sad ,it would be just hilarious..poles living in war zone cant get to Poland:
kresy.pl/wydarzenia,ukraina?zobacz/polacy-z-donbasu-dlaczego-wolicie-imigrantow-muzulmanow-od-nas

PO-epitome of stupidity

Crow
17 Sep 2015  #1146

if not sad ,it would be just hilarious..poles living in war zone cant get to Poland:

That is EU

gregy741
17 Sep 2015  #1147

PO-epitome of stupidity

sry google translate:

" Listening assurances that Poland is ready to accept hundreds of refugees - Muslims lament that for us - Catholics , descendants of the oppressed Poles , children and grandchildren duress deported by the NKVD from Podolia and territories of the former Second Republic at the Donbass Polish soldiers , teachers, civil servants, not It has no place in our historic homeland " - the portal wpolityce quotes mariupolskich Poles. Assessing your perspective of life in Poland compatriots from Mariupol stressed - " We Poles from Mariupol , we dont have high expectations , we are ready to work socially for a safe roof over our heads and clean up the streets if necessary in our historic homeland " .

BBman
18 Sep 2015  #1148

'Suspected Islamist', 41, had previously been imprisoned after plot to attack former Iraqi prime minister Ayad Allawi

How did they let someone with a violent past into Germany?? Oh wait I know, Germany stopped checking people at the border. More of this to come, folks.

Jewish as they come, and proud of it.

Everything makes sense now.

It's ours to decide, not yours.

These decisions are made by lefties in power. They don't know what the situation is like on ground level and are driven primarily by leftist white guilt PC madness. The majority of people do not want these muslims in their countries.

Germans don't have kids and German economy shall need 6 million workers by 2030

If germane needs more people they can give people incentives to have more kids. Many changes can be made in society and the workplace to accomodate family life.

If you organize buses and make things easier for these invaders, then even more will storm the continent. Terrible idea.

delphiandomine
18 Sep 2015  #1149

letter from poles living in Ukraine:

"Poles". If they had any real link to Poland, they would already have the Karta Polaka.

We Poles from Mariupol

Mariupol isn't at war.

How did they let someone with a violent past into Germany?? Oh wait I know, Germany stopped checking people at the border. More of this to come, folks.

Given that he's been in Germany since 2004, it has nothing to do with current events.

Everything makes sense now.

I wondered how long it would be before someone commented on my ethnic origins.

These decisions are made by lefties in power.

I'm not sure how to explain this to you, but the CDU is not "left". Adenauer would have a fit if he heard you say that.

Many changes can be made in society and the workplace to accommodate family life.

There already are significant incentives in Germany. It doesn't work.

nothanks
18 Sep 2015  #1150

Disheartening to see a neighboring nation openly decline like this but if German culture is so far brainwashed, left incapable to stand up for their own heritage....... Then why should we truly care? They should be taking to the streets and mistreating the invaders.

Get out of EU and wish the Germans best of luck. I considered working IT in Germany but recent devopments are making it less desirable. I could always return to USA if I wanted to be surrounded by 3rd Worlders

delphiandomine
18 Sep 2015  #1151

They should be taking to the streets and mistreating the invaders.

How would you feel if we started mistreating you as a foreigner?

gregy741
18 Sep 2015  #1152

"Poles". If they had any real link to Poland, they would already have the Karta Polaka.

no..no under this idiotic government.

Mariupol isn't at war.

man,you are devious
ukraine was at civil war,mariupol was besieged by rebels and violent.
are you willing to use same standards to every village and town in syria wherever was under direct military operation in order to assess syrian asylum seekers?

delphiandomine
18 Sep 2015  #1153

no..no under this idiotic government.

Again, you're proving that you don't live in Poland.

Anyone that can demonstrate a link to Poland in the FSU can obtain the Karta Polaka. It doesn't require much, just proof of your Polish origins and either Polish spoken as a native language or significant involvement with Polonia organisations as well as knowledge of Polish cultural traditions. In other words, if you really are Polish, you can get it easily.

Stop trying to pull the same tired Polonia nonsense about the Polish government. Anyone in the FSU that is genuinely of Polish origin can get the Karta Polaka.

are you willing to use same standards to every village and town in syria wherever was under direct military operation in order to assess syrian asylum seekers?

Doesn't it go without saying that if someone is from somewhere safe, they shouldn't get asylum?

nothanks
18 Sep 2015  #1154

I would expect it from Germans. I befriended a guy in Berlin 2 summers ago and he admitted I don't want them and I don't want you either. I want Germany for Germans. I respected his point of view and agreed.

USA no longer has native people. It's a cautionary tale. They can't judge others.

I was born near Kielce. Sure my brother in law was beaten up by Hooligans a couple years ago but the instances are far less frequent because of the homogenous society.

gregy741
18 Sep 2015  #1155

Anyone that can demonstrate a link to Poland in the FSU can obtain the Karta Polaka. It doesn't require much, just proof of your Polish origins and either Polish spoken as a native language or significant involvement with Polonia organisations as well as knowledge of Polish cultural traditions. In other words, if you really are Polish, you can get it easily.

you talking bs.it...thousands polish ancestors in lets say Kazakhstan cant obtain.
even few weeks ago,idiot Kopacz finally agreed to accept some poles from Donbass,who begged for 2 years to be let in and only after massive pressure and media coverage.

Doesn't it go without saying that if someone is from somewhere safe, they shouldn't get asylum?

they should not be even asylum seekers...they should be given right to come back anytime they want.and nationalist ukraine is not safe for poles...poles and russians are prime target for nationalists in ukraine..

Wulkan
18 Sep 2015  #1156

More advanced (and more mutlicultural) societies have higher crime rates because more crime is actually reported.

Prove it.

delphiandomine
18 Sep 2015  #1157

you talking bs.it...thousands polish ancestors in lets say Kazakhstan cant obtain.

Anyone from the former Soviet Union can obtain it. If they can't obtain it, it means that they aren't Polish. The language/cultural knowledge is what normally stops people from getting it - they don't speak Polish and don't know anything about Polish traditions. That would mean that they're Kazahs, not Poles.

even few weeks ago,idiot Kopacz finally agreed to accept some poles from Donbass,who begged for 2 years to be let in and only after massive pressure and media coverage.

And she shouldn't. They could well be Russians masquerading as Poles. If they were genuinely Polish, they would get the Karta Polaka and be able to move here without even requiring a work permit.

they should not be even asylum seekers

Why? Claiming to be Polish doesn't make one Polish.

they should be given right to come back anytime they want

All they have to do is get the Karta Polaka.

and nationalist ukraine is not safe for poles...poles and russians are prime target for nationalists in ukraine..

Defending Russians, now? That's queer...

gregy741
18 Sep 2015  #1158

Oh, Polska B.

ohhh..i though we all have 2 ears,2 eyes,2 legs ect.....fok am getting lost with that libtards self proclaimed non judgmental nature.

Defending Russians, now? That's queer...

no,stating well known facts and reality ...something that is alien to you

delphiandomine
18 Sep 2015  #1159

One question I wonder - what will be the system put in place if a refugee in Poland is caught working in Germany? All these migrant quota plans are worthless if they're all going to go to Germany anyway.

Grzegorz_
18 Sep 2015  #1160

what will be the system put in place if a refugee in Poland is caught working in Germany?

Likely get arrested and sent back to Poland... that's why "soon later they will all leave to Germany anyway" part is not so easy. Have no doubt, Gerries will do it, they can be ruthless when it suits them. It's not clear yet why they provoked all the recent madness but surely there's more to it...

gregy741
18 Sep 2015  #1161

what will be the system put in place if a refugee in Poland is caught workingin Germany?

he will be subjected to medical tests to see if everything okey with his head...human dont know any examples of working muslim asylum seeker in human history.

angela would present him medal,and thousands reporters would come to record this phenomen

Harry
18 Sep 2015  #1162

Likely get arrested and sent back to Poland...

Which would cost how much? Add up the cost of the arrest process (two police staff, total of three hours each, half an hour of the custody sergeant), transfer to detention centre, detention for three days (in the UK it costs about £100 a day to detain an immigrant), court hearing of some type, detention for two days pending appeal, appeal hearing, detention for two days pending transfer to Poland, transfer to Poland. I'd guestimate that as being at least several thousand euro. But the deportee just gets straight on the next Polski express bus to Berlin.

White Europe
18 Sep 2015  #1163

How would you feel if we started mistreating you as a foreigner?

If he's Polish why would he be considered a foreigner?

syrian93
18 Sep 2015  #1164

I just read on a syrian page that lech poznan fans didn't attend the UEFA europa league game yesterday because UEFA has promised to donate 1 euro for every ticket sold .

nothanks
18 Sep 2015  #1165

Yes. Here is some reddit comments

- One sign reads, 'We want repatriants - not migrants.' (Chcemy repatriatow, nie nelegalnych imigrantów)

- It's hypocritical if you assume moral universalism. They clearly don't, and think instead that people should treat better those of their ethnicity/culture.

I'm not too much into that, but to be fair that's what most cultures in their world are into (including in the areas around the middle east).

- It's about people who were left in Soviet Union after new borders were made after WW2 not about those who emigrated to west for economic reasons. The thing is polish government doesn't help those people or their descendants come to Poland but they are willing to accepts "refugees" from arab countries.

- Legia said it's gonna be give to polish refugees living in Donbas

Ironside
18 Sep 2015  #1166

Don't take it wrong syrian93, people have nothing against Syrians but they do against Muslims and bulling.

It's hypocritical if you assume moral universalism.

Not even that. If Poland cannot afford to bring Poles or progeny of Poles form places which are clearly danger why should be forced to take in people who has no connection to Poland wheresoever and who clearly do not want to move here in that first palce.

If we were going by moral universalism why German companies do not pay they employees the same money as they pay their counterparts in Germany?

Why farms in Poland get less money from the EU than German or French farmers? Its that moral?

syrian93
18 Sep 2015  #1167

Don't take it wrong syrian93, people have nothing against Syrians but they do against Muslims and bulling.

i don't in general.. but lech fans behavior was based on hate

Ironside
18 Sep 2015  #1168

Well, its hard to say as it is individual thingee. I would say that it was less hate and more what I have just said, people do not ant Muslim in the country, people do not like Germany or the EU jackasses to bully and belittle Poland in order to send to Poland people who do not even want to come.

I for Muslims in general, they do have a bad rep due to terrorism and such but I wouldn't call it hate more like awareness that Muslim and Christians wouldn't see eye to eye and importing Muslim into a Christian country is not a good idea.

Marsupial
18 Sep 2015  #1169

@ironside...the eu is working just fine for me and plenty of others the, only clear thing is it's not working for you. Bad luck hey, couldn't take advantage of the greatest european integration ever? Is that the problem for you? Better luck next time.

AlfGarnet
18 Sep 2015  #1170

I wouldn't worry about refugees coming to Poland, it won't happen. They want to go to a country with good prospects and opportunity. If any do come they will soon leave and make their way to mama Merkelvilles Germany. Chill.


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