Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees

Poznan - another city of racist working class scum crossed off the Dougpol list for my hard-earned weekend money.

I think Bilbao has more of a "first world population" than Poznan.

Just a feeling I have.....

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/sep/18/lech-poznan-europa-league-refugee

Great link Doug! Thanks for sharing.

Orban said,the attack on Hungarian police few days ago was organized and coordinated with media...it was small group coordinated with megaphone in english and arabic.(sry in polish only):

kresy.pl/wydarzenia,europa-srodkowa?zobacz/orban-ujawnia-wiemy-kto-stal-za-atakami-na-granicy-z-serbia
there is an idea to include ukrainians into immigrant quota.make sense,but since they are not muslims,EU wont accept it.they didnt do sh.it for them when war was going in e.ukraine.

lol..that would be such an irony...Poland was arming banderist Kiev against donetsk rep.,now some people thinking to take Donbass people to prevent islamist coming in.

Croatian police attacked..some riots and fights as well..dont know who they attacked-locals or each other.also some brutal fighting in Switzerland...mad mad people.and its just the beginning.

I'm so sorry guys but I have to say what i think about the recent crisis, simply I can't stand that slogans which are being repeated over and over again. We should separate 2 issues first of them is the problem of accepting immigrants and second one is the EU.

As for the first one, of course we should accept refugees/immigrants ( I'm really surprised how easily people are labeling refugees as a good one and immigrants as a bad, for me the line between refugee and immigrant is very thin, poverty in some situations, especially if it's a long term poverty may violate humans dignity, and all people have the right to protect their dignity), we should accept them because of many reasons, because we are human and as such we are obliged to do it, but also because we are obliged to face with the consequences of our actions. Yes my darlings, sorry to disappoint you but US doesn't want to "bring democracy" to the middle east, but it wants to bring their influences and earn as much as possible, well Poland hasn't earned, but we have been blindly supporting USA, so it's time to deal with the results of our actions.

As I've mentioned another issue is EU, we should feel compassion for Syrians, but we can't let Poland become Syria, I mean we can't let Poland become the playground for worldwide powers. I wrote about Americans policy there, but be honest not just America wanted to earn there, European States as well as Russia wanted to make their business there too. The recent rhetoric of mainly German (but if I'm not wrong not only, some Austrians have joined them too) politics is unacceptable. UE is pretending to be the democratic structure, it means if the new law will be outvoted, the minority regardless being against is obliged to obey it, but during the legislation procedure they are allowed to say no. Mr. Schultz words about using the force against countries who are against quotes, vice Chancellor threatens about cancelling the funds for Poland and other countries of the region if they dare not to agree with the quotes, sorry it hits in the same issue of democracy, if we won't react now, sooner then we expect we will born in a big brother.

[Moved from]: Lech Poznań fans boycott match due to ticket revenues going to refugees

Yesterday evening there was a record low attendance of only 8 000 fans for Lech Poznań's Europa League match against Belenenses. The cause, UEFA demanding that one euro of every ticket sale goes to refugees entering Europe.

Given that a lot of people in Poland are against the idea of refugees and immigrants entering the countries, the fans boycotted the match, as they disagreed with giving their money to the refugees. Here is an English language ultras site talking about the planned boycott before it happened.

ultras-tifo.net/news/3760-lech-poznan-supporters-boycott-europa-league-match.html

Below are two popular Polish football blogs commenting on the issue after it happened, from two different viewpoints.

polishsoccerblog.com
rightbankwarsaw.com/

What do folks think about it? Do you think the fans have a right to do this or it was a shameful selfish act?

I believe it is in bad taste but FIFA should not be getting involved in Politics. They seem slanted in the causes they back and those they ignore

I believe Polish Clubs are themselves donating to Ukrainian War Refugees.

It's incredibly shameful.
It's f!ckin disgusting IMHO.
OK, I get it, some people don't want refugees in Poland. That's totally fine, they can have that opinion. But refusing to give to charity while coming up with lame excuses is just sad. It's like people who didn't give money to charity when the Tsumani hit years ago. It boils down to meanness, people not wanting to give money.

Now, why did so many Poznan fans stay away?
Cowards, that's why.
There were what? 3000 there last night, normally, they get 23000, for a Europa LEague match, they would've expected 30000+
So many stayed away not really because they don't want to give money to charity, they stayed away (and I'm talking about the normal Joe Soap fans here) because they are afraid that hooligans (many of whom were outside the stadium) would identify them and they'd be on the receiving end of a beating at a later date.

It's disgusting.
Poland has a huge, massive problem with football hooligans holding 'their' clubs to ransom. I think it might be too late to save Polish football and we may be looking at the beginning of the end. Give it 5-10 years time and the clubs will resemble the shambolic clubs of Eastern Europe, once power houses on the European scene, most of them now are husks, controlled by hooligans and criminal gangs/businessmen.

There's a massive silent majority in Poland who would love to see football played in the same spirit like in Britain, Scandinavia, Spain and Germany. Sure hooliganism exists, but it's small scale and for the most part the police control it in those countries. I'm afraid to say but the silent majority does nothing in Poland, the police are useless and politicians don't care.

Why?
I believe it's because the hooligan ultras hold so much power in their localities, and with the po-po turning a blind eye towards violence at football matches and at organised meet up, they think they hold some kind of control. They don't. Politicans are afraid too because they need votes, you turn football clubs against you and that's 40,000-50,000 people per city that can change their vote away from you.

You get what you deserve I feel, authorities were too lenient in the past and it's going to take something crazy for it to change. Maybe it's going to take the deaths of a few cops at a match, or some young kids in the wrong place at the wrong time, that's the only way that the silent majority and those in power are ever going to be motivated to make a change. Until that happens it's just going to continue getting worse and worse.


FIFA have nothing to do with UEFA competitions.


Well, FIFA is politics, pure corrupt politics :(

But don't you think a lot of people give to charities for selfish reasons anyway? You know, to make themselves feel a bit better. It's just something to tick off your list every year. I've given to charity so I am a nice person. Nobody cares what happens after that, they just make the donation and get on with their life.


Just under 8 000.


Wait now I'm confused. So you're disgusted by what the fans did but you say they didn't stay away because they didn't want their money to go to refugees but because they were afraid of hooligans? Why would they suddenly be scared now? Why have they not stayed away in the past? This was a record low attendance and I think it had more to do with the organized boycott.

How do you feel about muslims destroying western europe and creating no-go areas for police/europeans in european cities??

I am interested to know what other no go ateas there are in the eu. For example held by a different group....??

Asians/muslims have always done alright in the UK ( a higher % of Asian children than Caucasians go on to hold professional positions in a great many boroughs) and the no-go areas were there in the 1930s in the time of Pinkie and "Brighton Rock."

But don't let that get in the way of the facts about the UK right?

There are A LOT of Vietnamese in Katowice. I have never seen them vandalising their own neighbourhood, lying drunk in the street, or littering every sentence with adjectivial expletives. I'm not saying they are better behaved than the indigenous population, but a problem they ain't. They miraculously speak Polish too, although politicians say "But these muslims don't speak Polish." No **** Sherlock. but the language is learnable..I've got a three hour lesson this morning in fact, even after 23 years I plod on.

Ergo, your muslims could do the same.

From what I've read, in the UK Asians who are not muslim do a lot better by almost every metric than Asians who are.


That doesn't follow. Vietnamese in Poland have never made a big deal about benefits and they make no demands on public authorties. Many of the curent migrants are quite explicit that they want to go to countries that have good benefits systems and there is a long record of Muslims making demands on public authorities to accomodate their private beliefs.

Are you sure it was so high? The Polish media reported 3000, and from TV, it didn't look like 8000.


The act itself, I have no problem with. It's their choice to attend or not. But...


WP, if there's a large group of men standing around outside the stadium telling you to boycott the game, what do you do?

In my opinion, if they genuinely wanted to protest - they should have attended and simply kept quiet the whole game. Borussia Dortmund do that when they're ****** off with the management, and it seems to work.

BTW - I think this 1 euro came from UEFA's share of the gate money, not from teams.

I think so. This site is one of the most well known Polish football websites for statistics and it reports just under 8 000 as the attendance. 90minut.pl/news/256/news2564905-Marazm-w-Poznaniu.html

I'm not sure why the media is reporting 3 000. What media is this? The stadium has over 43 000 seats so even if there were 8 000 it's still less than 20% full and would look quite empty.


If they did this their money would still go to the immigrants and that's what they don't want. Their actions would mean very little in practice. If they boycott, UEFA doesn't get their money.


Whether it be UEFA's share or the club's share I don't think matters much to the fans. The fact remains that it is their money going to a cause they do not agree with.

Yep, seems that you're correct. I've seen the 7,943 number reported elsewhere too, though it definitely didn't look like that.


Polskie Radio reported it as that, both in Polish and in English, so probably it was their mistake.


Yes, and I do think that it's their choice to do so. I mean - my personal feeling is that they should have supported Lech regardless of the situation, but at the end of the day, no-one can force them into handing over money to something that they don't agree with.

yes but Alf, that is a specious argument, it is not an either/or choice by the government.
There is no real excuse for a UK child to go hungry. Obviously the use of food banks has shot up, and that is not a good thing, but hell at least we have them.

I agree with JOhnny R., Syrian refugees should be helped.
The only British child to have died of starvation in recent years was the child of eccentric hippies who forgot to feed him. Ver very sad but a real one off.

Is suffering only viable when the end result is death. A starving child is a starving child and when children are starving in the UK then that should be dealt with, end of.

Many rich middle Eastern countries are standing by watching those Muslim Islamic children starve to death quite happily, which is not surprising.

1 billion in aid to Syria, the UK is a generous country and British children need it first now. We can't cure the world of its troubles or poverty, that believe is what is driving 100s of thousands to the shores of Europe.

The Church can help, America can help and so can the middle East, where is the humanity and charity from them.

Lets resume all facts :
Those illegal immigrants do not want to go to Poland, they are quite clear in their aims, they want to go to Germany or Sweden.

Now, Germany firsts said they will accept them,all 800 000 then in the middle of the flow they changed their mind and are closing borders. What kind of erratic behavior is that, seems that nobody is paying any attention to that, if on the other hand Poland would behave like that, condemnations would be flaying everywhere and here as well, because you are bigoted, hypocritical condescending fools! Who the hell you think you are to tell Poland or Polish people what is good for them and what they should or shouldn't do?eh?

So, far those few illegal immigrants that made to Poland are taken care off, nobody shot them on the border as the law demands.

The issue here is simple, Germany wants to get rid of their guest and send at least some of them to countries like Poland, that have no infrastructure, means and capacity to take them, it is so stupid scheme that it only proves that nowadays rulers of Europe are living in an ivory tower and are fools.

This boycott is to remind our government that sucking up to Germany and The EU that there are other priorities and there is queue of those in need that should be helped first!

Illegal immigrants, they are not refugees, they have been refugees in Turkey, in Greece and other Balkan countries they are noting but illegal immigrants illegally crossing borders, I don't understand why those countries do not react, they should send them back to Turkey as the law and international agreements dictate.

All those actions of Greece and Bulgaria are unlawful and stupid!(ah right and France as the French police is letting them to ream free and board truck crossing the channel.)

Now, why those people what to Germany and Sweden, ? Because one they get there and get refugee status they can live comfortably off the state - statistic should that Muslims refugees in westerns European countries do not work, at least 97% of them doesn't!

If they would go to filly rich Gulf States, they would be shot at the borders if trying to cross in mass like they do now. Even if they would make there they would have to work for next to nothing for living beings a second class citizens, even though they are both Muslim.

PC apostles think that Muslim refugees will adapt and become a part of PC sect - rather then day dreaming think about your head, it will go for a chop in the first place if you ideal of letting all Africa and half Arabia in Europe would prevail.

Arabs, yet typical, try to sidestep the issue and make into your preferable mantra about racism, Arabs equals Muslim and that is all about their religion not their race people are concerned about.

How would you know? You are not a sharpest tool in the drawer by your own admission, after 23 years in Poland you are on the level of seven years old kid, and your understanding of Poles an Poland is also on the level of a kid.

Errr...

There's 6-11 million Christians in Egypt alone.

The thing about this situation is that North Americans can't really understand why Europeans think this way. They haven't really experienced the horror of war, they don't understand the long tradition of people fleeing their homelands because of war, etc etc. They just think that "oh, non-white people are invading Europe" and that's about it.

Speaking of which, I fully expect Poland to agree to take Christians, along with the other V4 countries. It's a fair, viable compromise.

It's incredibly shameful.
It's f!ckin disgusting IMHO.
OK, I get it, some people don't want refugees in Poland. That's totally fine, they can have that opinion. But refusing to give to charity while coming up with lame excuses is just sad. It's like people who didn't give money to charity when the Tsumani hit years ago. It boils down to meanness, people not wanting to give money.

Now, why did so many Poznan fans stay away?
Cowards, that's why.
There were what? 3000 there last night, normally, they get 23000, for a Europa LEague match, they would've expected 30000+
So many stayed away not really because they don't want to give money to charity, they stayed away (and I'm talking about the normal Joe Soap fans here) because they are afraid that hooligans (many of whom were outside the stadium) would identify them and they'd be on the receiving end of a beating at a later date.

You are not diffrent than them We dont want anyone to impose what we should do From what i see most of Polish people dont care about political corectness We do what we feel is right We want to live in safe country We dont want here muslim young man (75% of immigrant are males mostly 20-25 years old ) Countries like Sweden Norway Danemark Netherlands are not as Safe as they use to be In fact Sweden has the highes rape ratio in Europe From what i have read 77% were made by muslim although i heard about even higher ratio There is 2% of immigrants in Italy and 35% of prisoners are muslims ,even more in Netherlands but i forget the number

We are not cowards Thinking that people havent come to the stadium because they were afraid of hooligans is just insane Where from you have this stupid idea ? I

Its just our decision Rational not becaouse of hate Try to respect that ,as you live in Poland not in Your country of origin We dont want FIFA/UEFA tell us what to do Everyone who want to give money to charity can do it but i wont cause i dont want muslim in my country and the more they get from us the more of them will come here in future and they will be trying to change our country ,our religion our traditions build their mosque take away our freedom of speaking what we want to speak not what is politicaly corect

When people will realize that political correctness is one big lie It says to not say the truth how it can be good Its just lead to hipocrisy

numbeo.com/crime/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Poland&country2=Sweden&city1=Poznan&city2=Stockholm

I can give you a lot of link why we dont want muslim people here the problem is that its mostly in polish Some of you may have been to many countries Try to just look back where the danger came from in this countries From my experience in muslim places there are always problems

I hope you all wont get wrong impression that iam agains you living here You are all welcome here as long you respect peoples freedom of speech

islamthreat.com/word/Islam_Peter_Hammond.pdf

dailymotion.com/video/x34pgg5_muzulmanin-mieszkajacy-w-szwecji-dzwoni-do-telewizji_tv

rebelya.pl/post/4101/islam-nie-jest-nowa-religia

maciejgnyszka.pl/6-rzeczy-bez-ktorych-nie-mozesz-dyskutowac-o-imigrantach/

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I'm talking about perception in Poland, gees.


2,5 millions? Not 800 000? I'm talking about perception in Poland, I'm aware of that, also not all Syrians are Arabs, just some. For a gneral public in Poland Arab equals Muslims and that what I'm talking about.

Hey is it true that poland now accepts over 9000 refugees?
That polish PM allows now?

Syrian government war planes have launched one of the heaviest bombardments yet on the city of Palmyra, which is held by Islamic State (IS) militants, activists say.

Syrian military sources quoted by Reuters have said Syria is using new types of very accurate weapons supplied by its ally, Russia.
Earlier on Friday, the US and Russian defence ministers spoke by phone for the first time in more than a year to discuss the crisis.

The US has said Russia is building up its military presence in Syria as President Bashar al-Assad loses ground to the various rebel groups confronting him.

Poland has been very smart in stalling, the EU/Germany, into jumping into a mess that Poland was no part of.
It sure shows WHO is running the EU and telling other EU countries what they must do and how to do it.
Stand strong Poland and keep Poland Polish.

No it was more than 8000 That number 7900 is amount of people who go through the gate There are often some people who get there because they are friends of guards or someone

Back to the topic of this thread please.

In fairness, there was a separate thread on this subject but someone decided to add that thread to this one. Maybe reopen the previous thread please? Then we can have a proper talk about the Lech Poznan debacle.


It not though, it's the number of paid tickets, that includes season ticket holders. Every club does this. Look at Manchester City matches, they normally give 40000+ in their figures, but if it's a league game it's usually nowhere close to that. All clubs do this to boost their figures.

On the other hand, if they're saying 8000, then isn't it just lovely that 8000Euro was given to refugee charities :)

Do you work in Lech Poznan or you know someone who do the counting ? I am a Lech Poznan fan at it was once mentioned that it doesnt metter how many people have bought ticket but the number they show is amount of people who go through the gate

IT isnt lovely but its better than giving them 20 000 You would probably be happy if all young man from Syria Irak Afganistan come here but we dont want that to happen

From what i see you really dont know much about them Maybe just make a trip to Hungary Greece Croatia Check how they behave
Are you going to accomodate one of them ? You should If you want your opinion to be reliable If you think its right to help them do it and dont tell us what to do Its our own money

No, but that's how clubs work the figures.
THe higher their official figures the more they can charge potential sponsors.


Fixed your post


You just proved my point brother. You lot are stingy. LOL



Let love into your heart brother.
Amen.

Posted in the thread because replying. Maybe reopen the original thread?

I'm sorry that the general public is so ignorant :(

Mind you, when people attack a falafel stand belonging to a die-hard Legia fan, well...

So i just told you Lech Poznan doing that different way The lower official number the less Tax we pay I told you a few times how its is here and you still argue


I have a lot of love but love for refuges means less love for family friends polish people etc In Poland we care the most about our families We cant help everyone and we dont want to help everyone

Christian refuges would be welcome here though

I agree with you, delphi. This doesn't happen often:) Hopefully it will appease those treasonous libtards in Brussels. Ideally Poland should be more actively working on bringing Karta polaka holders into Poland. Some ukrainians too. Send the muslims to the UK, France, NL, Beligium, Germany, Sweden - those countries love them and they'll feel more at home.


They should continue to stall.