Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees

It would never work in Germany. Their Federal Constitutional Court is far more independent than in Poland, and any attempt to fiddle with things like this would provoke a hell of a reaction from many different Germans.

Remember, the EU is only represented by the member states. We don't have a confederal structure yet, so the EU represents the wishes of the member states. In fact, I'd argue that it's the member states reluctance to embrace the EU properly is what causes the current democratic deficit - France being particularly guilty of this.


This is the big question. Having said that, someone will always have to do the rotten work for the locals. It's quite easy to imagine the rise of a Muslim underclass that exists solely to serve their German masters.

Yes Levi, that is the exact same minister I am talking about. He said he doesn't have any solid information, that is his gut feeling. You need to read the article again.

Well it would be extraordinarily stupid of ISIS to _not_ plant a bunch of sleepers in with the general flow, especially after it became clear that border controls were essentially removed.

The question is how many and what will they be up to?

Exactly.

Even the turkish gang of this forum trying to deny everytime that ISIS didn't send Muslim Terrorists among the "Refugees", it is impossible that a organization which wants the DESTRUCTION of the Non-Muslim world would not use the amazing chance that they have, infiltrating thousands of trained terrorists among the "Refugees".

Even a kid could realize that.

I'm not saying this couldn't happen, and you may well be right, but The Daily Express headline saying that 400 ISIS killers are on their way to the UK mixed in with the 20,000 refugees the UK is accepting, is scaremongering and over the top to say the least, and that information is as a direct result of what that minister has said, with no proof whatsoever.

I'm pretty sure the UK will be checking these refugees out thoroughly.
I'm not naive and this is a very real possibility, especially in Europe with it's open borders. It's nigh on impossible to check thoroughly every single person, but I think it should be put into perspective. It's headlines such as these that are putting the fear of god into people.

Duda said it nicely. No doubt about it, Duda is politician worth of a historical moment. Poles are great people

Poland's Duda Blasts EU `Dictate of the Strong' on Migrants

bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-08/polish-president-blasts-eu-dictate-of-the-strong-on-migrants

I think the people need to be very alarmed and afraid. This is no time for soothing words. To be calm about what's going in shows an unhealthy disengagement with reality.

Too true... some people on here and in general just seem to have the attitude "give them the benefit of the doubt".

All the lessons learned through history is that this is a 7th century violent intolerant ideology that colonises and seeks to overthrow its hosts. And we are taking unnecessary risks by having them in.

It's a farce and a tragedy (and Merkel is a deranged lunatic).

I copy your words. This is not a time to be relaxed. Those are dangerous times.

Indeed, which is why we should be looking carefully at every non-EU immigrant that attempts to reside here.

I would be particularly suspicious of anyone that turns up with a large amount of cash.

Some 2,000 idiots trying to pull off a "mini-Merkel" marched agaisnt fascism in Warsaw. That is a good business option that has yet to be tapped. Since bonsa fide fascists are as scarce as hen's teeth in Poland, maybe some theatrical-prop/costume agency could rent out properly clad "fascists" for the duration of these parades so the self-styled anti-fascists would have someone to demonstrate against. In addition, each marcher should be obliged to sign a pledge agreeing to share his/her flat with one refugee. Jon, Delph, Roger and a few others would probably be the first to sign. As they say: PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS!

rp.pl/Spoleczenstwo/151109475-Marsz-przeciw-faszyzmowi-w-Warszawie.html

People focus, the bottom line is those are not Polish refugees, those people don't want to come to Poland.
Its about big players of the EU throwing their weight around in a disgusting attempt to force onto Poland their own problems.

The bottom line is that Europeans aren't reproducing and will be displaced peacefully or otherwise by people who do. A crappy society (like middle eastern or african ones) that has babies will defeat a far better one (like European ones) who don't.

All the rest is pretty talk.

Some Europeans are not reproducing. In the west it is due to the Ponzi scheme, a nanny state and cultural illness eating away fundaments of European civilizations.

In Poland it is due to financial insecurely, plus post-colonial syndromes and traumas. Also commies promoted family with two kids and that is ingrained norm. Also some people rather choose higher standard of living over having more children.

Time to fix it!

But only by procreating like rabbits, not importing Muslims! Not filthy lucre, not high living nor creature comforts but children are our greatest treasure!

European women are being asked to work and have careers over and above having children (leaving the latter later and later). The tax revenue is being used to finance an army of Muslim women, having an average of 8 children each.

Sounds like population replacement!

The world isn't overpopulated enough yet?

Europe is underpopulated with Europeans and soon may be overrun by non-Europeans.
Isn't this essentially a re-run of the barbarian invasions of the Roman Empire?

Except, I think the barbarians were more cultured and reasonable than this lot.

That's the question. Why do small countries like France, Britain or Germany have to have 50+ million people? Why does Poland have to? I've said it on various occasions already: the claim of western governments that they have to bring in people from third world countries because there will be a lack of well trained employees in the future is nonsense. Low paying jobs will be outsourced in low wage countries, and the positions that require highly skilled and educated experts can easily be filled by Europeans. The corporations just have to accept that their employees might be over 50 and more expensive for the next 15 to 20 years. Which they won't, of course, because only the bottom line counts.

Letting millions upon millions of people from third world countries into Europe is a bad mistake that will backfire in the very near future when accepted asylum seekers are legally entitled to reunite with their families.

So, Poles have to accept that needs to extinct? That Poland isn`t their realm where they have their sovereign rule? In other words, let EU and NATO publicly admit that they aren`t capable to protect Poland and, that they actually makes problems to Poland. Exactly this is the reason why Duda seek to form Intermarium.

AFAIK no European ethnic group is reproducing at replacement rate, most are far, far below.


For what it's worth I agree, the challenge of the future is to figure out how to make economies work with smaller populations. But the fossils running the EU are slow and decades behind and still thinking in terms of constant growth as the only economy that makes sense.

But beyond that, there's the basic truth that nature abhors a vacuum and the vacuum being created by Europeans' collective unwillingness to reproduce means that more.... vital populations (even if they can't create or run high functioning socieities) will rush in to take their place.

A total fertility rate of 1.9 or so is still workable, but 1.2 (Poland's current rate) means extinction through die off or replacement.

I feel for Poland, Hungary etc, as, they will stuck in the middle as, France and Germany islamise ... So the threat is from east and west of them. Never good to face a war on two fronts.

I know and I don't support that attack in any way. The 1 (out of 3 "guys" that did it) caught by police was some punk with criminal record, they were likely drinking or taking drugs and after that decided to go out to make some mess. If they didn't come across an Arab, they would likely attack some Polish person 3-5 min later. But the general change in approach to Arabs/non-Europeans coming to Europe (in Poland or Europe in general) is another matter and you can't blame people for that with all the mess going on.

Merged: The conservative Young Poles

One interesting fact that i have noticed is that the Young Poles are much more conservative and proud of their culture than their past generations.

A Trend that is exactly the opposite as the observed in countries like Britain (where, worth to say, a big part of the young voters are not actually british but immigrants), for example.

I started to notice that when the bulk of the votes for PiS came from the Young Poles (67% of the voters below 24 years voted for PiS).

Now there was a research saying that while only 1/3 of the people over 55 years are against receiving more illegal immigrants, almost 75% of those between 18 to 24 years are against more illegal immigrants.

That is a very interesting trend. Toughts?

thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/227853,Poles%E2%80%99-resistance-towards-asylum-seekers-on-the-up

Seems countries like Germany and the UK need more young Poles becoming citizens and shape those countries' politics by voting. Surely a remedy to the muslim disease. Islamosis Suicidixis.

Given that both already have Conservative governments, perhaps we need some young citizens who are part of Poland's centuries' old liberal tradition.

So this new thread of yours is just another chance for you to bang on about about immigrants then, thinly disguised as ' Conservative young Poles'. Why should I even be surprised?

Liberal but never libertine. There's a huge difference!

Look at EVERY country that Muslim refugees have been taken into.
The refugees get there, have no intention of acclimating into that countries government, it's laws, traditions, it's language and sign up for welfare, free medical, free food, free housing and anything else that they can get for free making them a BURDON to that country.

They then start DEMANDING that their requests be honored in the guest country that they are in.
They have contributed NOTHING to their guest country yet act like they own it and demand that they be treated like they do.
Poland has seen this happen world wide and doesn't want the problem yet Merkel is forcing Poland to get involved in her abortion.
The definition here of Insanity and Stupidity is fleeing the failed, third world sh!t hole you lived in, only to demand that the country you fled to change their social and economic structure to become like the failed, third world sh!t hole that you fled from.