Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees

OK johnny, I'm not going to berate you and I respect your opinion and your right to say what you think.
However I must point out to you that what Muslim refugees are and aren't is beside the point. Meaning we are talking about major players of the EU namely Germany and France trying to force Poland into accepting Muslim refugees.

In fact they are attempting to share their problem with Poland regardless of the Polish people interests. I think Polish government should protect Poland and Poles form such a encroachment into Poland's right and interest.

anyway those people already in Europe and Turkey are safe, not need to rescue them, they are already rescued.
I would rather Poland helped those people who are really in danger namely Christian Syrian in Syria, those can be shipped to Poland legally.
Going on about how bad Muslims refugees are do not bring as closer to the understanding a very simple fact. Muslim people could be very nice and lovely but in fact they are not compatible with Christianity nor they are amendable to western societies.

All that ranting is really redundant and counterproductive.

Excellent post Iron Side !
I think everyone here has agreed with you on the Christian Syrians, (the ones in danger for their lives) to be allowed to come to Poland (a Christian country).

It's the other 70% of the illegal's invading Europe with a completely different agenda then fearing for their lives.
It would be nice if those 70% with false documents, who lied, the ones with criminals records, ISIS, the ones looking for handouts who haven't been invited could be sorted out and sent back to where they came from. Problem solved.

What you fail to take into account is the fact that all these asylum seekers - once they are accepted - will at some point receive the legal paperwork that allows them to travel within the EU. The German problem is already the (future) problem of Poland, Britain, France and all the others in the union - and they all know it (but won't tell you).

Britain has a referendum by 2017, and (if things continue as they have been doing) will come out of the EU...this will instigate massive changes in the EU including stricter border and immigration control. The German, French and Dutch backlash will come from within and there will be massive civil unrest with the ethnic minorities in those countries. Poland will be relatively untouched by this as they are (largely) still indigenous.

Sometimes it pays to be poor!

Yes poland will remain untouched by the turmoil to come,

But no one in poland is really poor, everyone has food to eat, lots of land and natural resources. We will thrive and prosper, I think that in the future many people will come invest and live in poland, its religion culture and relative peace will attract many who are finding it hard to bring up a family in lands that are becoming more secular, criminal and violent.

swiety spokoj

No need for this in Poland yet...

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3308583/Flashpoint-Berlin-anti-immigration-protesters-clash-police-call-traitor-people-Angela-Merkel-s-resignation.html

Not covered at all on the TV news.

5.7k shares yet only 27 comments aired by the daily mail.

The truth is being withheld.

The people will prevail.

You are missing the point here. Poland shouldn't let herself to be forced to do anything against their vital national interest by stronger members of the Union. It is a dictate which should be refuted.

Also once those refugees from the Berlin quota find themselves in Poland outside circumstances could change, control on the borders restored, alleged founds from the EU for those people withheld or they will be entitle to receive support only in Poland.

Anything can happens between now and then, you cannot predict the future.
One thing is certain though, once they find themselves on the Polish soil they will become Polish problem, also giving in to unlawful German demand sets precedence for the future. That cannot be allowed.

Well, it is a union after all, so it's a give and take. Although I agree with you 100% that forcing Poland to accept their share of refugees doesn't make much sense. They would leave the country ASAP and would move on to greener pastures (aka Germany, Sweden, UK and others) anyway.

One thing that shouldn't be forgotten though: if Germany goes down because of Merkel's stupidity, the rest of Europe including Poland will go down as well. Poland is not an island in the sun that can survive on its own economically. So it should be in the interest of Poland and all other European nations that Germany finds a solution to the problem. Finger pointing and schadenfreude certainly don't help.

Not really.

Remember that in 2008 all the world went down and Poland crossed it smoothly.

As long as they dont do the stupidity of change the Zloty for the Euro and keep things going independently (something that is among the ideals of PiS), Poland could also pass through that without major impacts.

@Levi: Poland could and can only make it because of hundreds of billions of Euros from EU and from western companies. Poland has no economy per se. Everything here is western, like in any banana republic.

Poland have 6 polish-controlled companies at the Forbes 1000 (The 1000 biggest companies of the World).

This is more than Austria (5), and slightly less than Belgium (7).

So yes, let's call Austria and Belgium also as " Banana Republics" your ignorant.

By the way, the definition of a Banana republic is exactly the opposite of what you mean. A country that have a primitive economy WILL have everything nationalized, like Cuba or North Korea (The heaven for leftistis like you).

@Levi: Check on their capital and I bet it is not 100% Polish ;). Belgium and Austria don't need hundreds of millions of euros from others and if you know their situation, you would know that both Belgium and Austria are much richer than Poland. How many Polish workers for bread in either country?

Levi, once more, you don't live in Poland, don't live in the EU and know absolutely nothing about them. Stick to football or samba! ;)

But of course. No big company today is 100% controlled about one single person. No company from the CAC 40 of your beloved country, France, is 100% controlled by french. So that means that France is also a Banana Republic?

Your logic is so juvenile that makes me impressed everyday.


You are french, not polish. Actually my country have much more poles than yours had ever dreamed.

And even living closer to Poland than me, you were wrong at EVERY SINGLE BET that you made about Polish politics in the last 12 months.

EVERY
SINGLE
BET

So i guess that proves how your argument of "Me, a little french, have much more authority to speak about Poland than you" is actually ridiculous.

As everything that you say at this forum.


Maybe because Belgium or Austria were not enslaved by URSS during 7 decades recently?

Now look at the Economic growth of both and compare with Poland after Poland get liberated.

See how every single argument of you is so ridiculous that makes so easy to counter-argument?

Ahh yes the altruistic EU and the generous western companies. What would Poland do without them!?

Well, they could not provide just-in-time components to western companies at the lowest price possible
...using infrastructure (road and train) paid for by EU funds
...hiring cheapest logistic companies from Poland for the transport
they could not thereby benefit the western companies profits by providing them with the best bang for the buck allowing faster growth or highter dividends

they could not subsidize the companies high-paid jobs (say in Germany) by Polish low-wages workers
...thereby strenghtening German domestic market and national revenue from taxes
...ahh yes the German worker who would have to pay 10% more for the product, were it not for the Polish workers lower wages

Polish People get 'enough' out of the deal and in the long term they might be even the winners, but from an macroeconomic point of view the direct main beneficiaries are clear. It's all a flow and a lot of the money Poland gets finds their way back into their former owners pockets.


Capital seldom cares about national boundaries and it will always flow towards growth using the way of least resistance. Poland does well providing such canals and opportunities for the capital and its people.

It's a modern era colonialism. Feck them, damn parasites.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/poland-set-to-vote-for-harder-line-on-refugees-1.2403983

Go PiS! You have the support of the people!

Merkel certainly doing what Hitler wasnt able to. The whole continent is being pushed to the right. Go PiS indeed!

Go right and get somewhat confined or go left and repopulate your country with barbaric, hating life itself horde of scum. Decide!

Exactly. Easy decision.

There were several reasons for this:

- Poland was able to "export" her unemployment to the UK and other countries before 2008
- Foreign investment was high because of a highly trained workforce and low wages in Poland
- Relocating manufacturing to Poland was profitable for foreign corporations because of the above and unristricted access to the EU

Once Poland would lose her main trading partner Germany and the free access to the common market, there is no longer a reason for foreign companies to invest and unemployment would increase dramatically again. Who's going to pay for this? Not the EU this time, that's for sure.

You don't need to be in EU to have it.

No, but you'd have to be in the EU to avoid customs duty and other import taxes. Otherwise your products will become too expensive and you are not competitive anymore (which would also be the reason for foreign investors to leave Poland).

1. No.
2. Check the tax rates these days.
3. Customs works both ways.

Okay, I should've been a bit more specific: there are a few exceptions such as so-called Free Trade Agreements (FTA). But what makes you think that Poland will be able to negotiate such an agreement with the EU or that the EU is interested in such an FTA? The number of FTA's of the EU with other trading partners are quite limited. The EU countries won't accept competition from the outside unless it's to their advantage.

trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2006/december/tradoc_118238.pdf

Donald Tusk is onto Merkel -


dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3310331/Germany-forget-WWII-past-seal-Europe-s-borders-European-president-warns-Merkel-ahead-summit-migrant-crisis.html

Nope, you are wrong.

Well, I hope you're right. Poland won't leave the EU anyway.

yes it will once the money dries up, bit like drilling for oil, time to move onto the next well, cant blame them.

Yes, Poland will leave EU. For many reasons. On the other side, with every new day, Poland have less and less reasons to stay. Also, Poland`s Geo-strategic situation dramatically changed. In last 400-500 years, Poland at the same time had to worry about its western and its eastern borders. Threat from east now practically don`t exist (except potential to be threat in some extraordinary conditions), while threat from the west remains and in future would most probably increase, due to instability of western European societies that would be caused in ethnic conflicts and disappointments in economies.