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Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees



Dougpol1
15 Nov 2015  #1621

and stay on thread.

It IS on thread. You say muslims are dangerous and Poland shouldn't take any.

I say muslims are as dangerous as your average catholic. You signed up to the EU. Now pay back. Unless you are yellow, that is?

dolnoslask
15 Nov 2015  #1622

Why is Germany and the EU trying to force migrants into Poland if not to undermine it's culture and religion.

Poland never has been and will never be a multi-cultural society, why would we want that?.

People are welcome to come / live in Poland (Regardless of race or religion) if they are not criminals or terrorists, but they should integrate into society and respect our culture.

We do not want separate areas or sub cultures in Poland this only leads to conflict.

You only have to read through some of the comments in the off topic bin on PF, there are many instances where you see this clash of culture almost to the point of hatred.

Ironside
15 Nov 2015  #1623

I was at a service in Rabka

Whatever for? If a drop of holy water would contact your skin you would disappear in the puff of smoke.

I say muslims are as dangerous as your average catholic

It only means doug that you don't know what you are talking about.

Hoverer whether they are or aren't is beside the point, you are ranting off topic in this thread. The question is - why would Germany or another country dare to force Poland to do something which is not in the interest of Poland and Polish people?

Don't we have no say in the matter? Did I glimpse totalitarian mind set behind your word?
Even though Islam and Christianity do not get on well. Those two ingredients put together are in fact a very explosive mix.
Deal with it!

delphiandomine
15 Nov 2015  #1624

Poland never has been and will never be a multi-cultural society, why would we want that?.

?!

Poland before 1945 was incredibly multicultural. The current Polish state is a historical abnormality, you might say.

dolnoslask
15 Nov 2015  #1625

delphiandomine Sorry I do not wish to respond to your comments, I have just read your comment #8578, It is just this type of hatred that Poland does not need more of.

I think that time is needed to reflect on what has happened in France, I am sure Poland will review its stance on refugees and move forward compassionately, but also keeping the safety of its citizens in mind.

Dougpol1
15 Nov 2015  #1626

Don't we have no say in the matter?

Er.........the quotas were agreed at EU session. So no, you had your "say."

Deal with it!

We British do actually. And some of my previous British school and university friends were born muslim - not that they ever mentioned it to me. Fine fellows, who I would have trusted with my life.

Next?

gregy741
15 Nov 2015  #1627

Er.........the quotas were agreed at EU session. So no, you had your "say."

wasn't agreed..it was forced on Poland..but things has changed since then.NO for muslim terrorists living on social welfare in Poland.bye bye

Dougpol1
15 Nov 2015  #1628

NO for muslim terrorists living on social welfare in Poland

I agree. And we musn't have catholic terrorists living on social welfare in Britain either.
Now - do you see the childishness of your comment, or do I have to spell it out for you?

delphiandomine
15 Nov 2015  #1629

I agree. And we musn't have catholic terrorists living on social welfare in Britain either.

As indeed some of them did and no doubt still do.

InPolska
15 Nov 2015  #1630

1. What "welfare" in Poland???? ;). 2. Just heard Marine LePen; 3 million more refugees by 2017 according to EU's commission........

gregy741
15 Nov 2015  #1631

1. What "welfare" in Poland???? ;)

yes..and thats another problem.it would have to be created to accommodate immigrants.and it would be available only for them.and that would be social injustice,cus muslamic immigrants would only be group entitled to massive social help.

how you gonna explain homeless pole,living on street of warsaw,hes not entitled to social flat while thousands immigrants from Africa gets them.
Poland doesnt have sufficient welfare system to efficiently help immigrants.

Grzegorz_
15 Nov 2015  #1632

I say muslims are as dangerous as your average catholic.

Yes, because as we all now, there are Catholic versions of ISIS and al-Qaeda and significant number of Catholics support them. It's just an effect of vast global conspiracy lead by Vatican that you don't hear about them...

You signed up to the EU. Now pay back.

Or else what :)))) ?

The pain being felt in Paris is evidence that Merkel's madness didn't work.

EUnuchs/Gerries have some plan and it surely nothing good, many more people are going to die.

Ironside
15 Nov 2015  #1633

"And some of my previous British school and university friends were born muslim - not that they ever mentioned it to me."

Those fine fellows who blew themselves up on the streets of London and who in numbers are joining ISIS ranks, not to mention Jihadi-John.
"

the quotas were agreed at EU session"

Who agreed? Germany, France and who else? Sweden? If Kopacz agreed to anything you can take her and put her in jail as she a known liar.

As indeed some of them did and no doubt still do.

delphian you are clearly an attention seeker or have I overestimated you? What kind of nonsense is this?

wino
15 Nov 2015  #1634

Poland before 1945 was incredibly multicultural. The current Polish state is a historical abnormality, you might say.

and as history has shown muticulturalism weakens the state, Poland prior 1945 included.

InPolska
15 Nov 2015  #1635

history has shown that mutlicultural countries are the most developped and the richest countries . If multicultural countries are so "bad", why do Poles go there for bread (or even holidays)??? Maybe they should stick to North Korea where 100% of the people are everybody's clone.

gregy741
15 Nov 2015  #1636

and as history has shown muticulturalism weakens the state, Poland prior 1945 included.

it was disaster..even right from the beginning.due to accepting mass immigration from germany after introducing "german law" in 13 century,Poland lost silezia as a result.massive problems and tensions with jewish,german, muslims and ortodox minorities.uncounted wars,ethnic cleansing,massacres,civil wars,treacheries ect. related to multiculti.would take me hours to post examples.it was disastrous for Poland.

history has shown that mutlicultural countries are the most developped and the richest countries

what a BS.

wino
15 Nov 2015  #1637

Countries that are already succesful become multicultural due to immigration.
What multiculturalism gives you, I want examples, what does it bring to the table.

InPolska
15 Nov 2015  #1638

@Wawa: yes, I know about such Asian countries. I once knew a Canadian girl who had taught ESL in South Korea and she said they were very racist including towards whites. Lack of exposure to others who are "different" leads to narrow mind and intolerance.

wino
15 Nov 2015  #1639

Why must you be so simple minded. Lack of the enthusiasm for multiculti and and want for monoethnic and monocultural society doesn't mean hate for anyone. On the contrary I wish we could preserve the rich cultures of other countries and enjoy them.

Billy9999
15 Nov 2015  #1640

history has shown that mutlicultural countries are the most developped and the richest countries

Complete and utter nonsense.

Multicultural countries are a relatively recent phenomenon and are still enjoying the rewards of their pre-multicultural times.

Sweden's economy, standard of living, GDP etc is forcast to plummet and be the worst in Europe within the next 10 years.

Poland did the right thing, going back on the agreement they were bullied into by Merkel and saying " we don't want any". Well done!

Dougpol1
15 Nov 2015  #1641

According to an RMF news feed, Poland was the only EU country not to contribute to refugee camps in Serbia.

False reporting? Crow?

InPolska
15 Nov 2015  #1642

@Doug: I have (often) read that Poland was the least generous country in terms of foreign aid.... Surprised? "lol"

Dougpol1
15 Nov 2015  #1643

the least generous country in terms of foreign aid.... Surprised? "lol"

It didn't have to be money either, but help in kind.

Disgusting.

And an insult to the large numbers of Poles who individuallycontribute with time, money, or otherwise.

Crow
15 Nov 2015  #1644

Combined effects of EU pressure on Poland on various issues and effects of refuge crisis as it is, would result in increased pressure of Polish public on Polish government, with demands that official Poland annul its Kosovo recognition. On the other hand, those demands would actually give excuse to Duda to annul previous Poland`s Kosovo recognition for two very urgent reasons. First reason is Poland`s internal Silesian question. With Kosovo recognition by Poland, Poland is vulnerable in case of attempt of separation of Silesia from Poland because Kosovo represent precedent by which local majority that is in fact national minority/ethnic group within country can gain independence. Therefore, in case of Silesian secession from Poland, official Poland wouldn`t have moral right/legitimacy to prevent it, if previously recognizes separation of Kosovo from Serbia. Second reason because Poland must annul its Kosovo recognition is strategic importance of Serbia (that consider Kosovo its southern province) for Poland, for far too many reasons. For... Serbia represent trustworthy historical allay of Poland, Serbia represent possible only Polish aces to warm waters of Mediterranean seas, Serbian influence on Russia may provide Russian understanding for Poland`s ambitions and therefore secure Polish eastern border, etc.

But, when Poland annul its Kosovo recognition, local Albanians on Kosovo, proven wahhabi Muslims, would, no doubts about it, start with their attacks on Polish Kosovo peacekeeping contingent. What i want to tell you, Poland may easily found itself involved in war that can`t be avoided. Soon

Dougpol1
15 Nov 2015  #1645

Very interesting Crow....

But what are WE ALL doing to help the refugees? They need our help now.

I donated to Save the Children, but have no skill to offer but to teach asylum seekers English.

PS I agree with others that charity begins at home, but if I can meet my daughters' university subsistence and support my I'll brother on a Polish salary, and contribute to the refugee crisis, then so should the government :(

Lyzko
15 Nov 2015  #1646

In the wake of the Paris ISIS terror attacks, apparently Poland and Germany in particular have finally run out of patience and are willing to seal their borders post haste!

Reactions?

Crow
15 Nov 2015  #1647

Very interesting Crow....

yes. Very. Let me make it even more interesting

i would remind that tragically died Polish president Lach Kaczinsky violently defended Serbians and opposed to Poland`s Kosovo recognition. Then, i would remind you that it was Donald Tusk who is responsible for Poland`s Kosovo recognition. What makes this Tusk`s act interesting is that he himself, when asked by Polish students, on one public occasion: ``Why Poland recognized Kosovo when most of Polish public oppose that?``... Tusk answered that Poland doing it in order to follow her partners from western Europe.

So, it was western Europe that forced Poland to recognize Kosovo separation from Serbia. That way western Europe had few obvious aims: 1. to divide Poland and Serbia, 2. to make Poland vulnerable when escalate Silesian crisis, 3. to expose Poland to war with Muslim world (when Albanians attack Polish soldiers on Kosovo), once when Poland recognizes that this way or another must act on behalf of Serbia, as i explained, for Polish internal reasons and because Serbians represent vital strategic recourse for Poland.

See Doug, all the time recognition of Kosovo by Poland was western European trap for Poland, set in order to create difficulties in future Polish strategic moves. Then, thanks to Polish obligations to NATO, Poland have its soldiers on Kosovo. When Poland annul its Kosovo recognition, trap would be activated- Albanians would attack Polish soldiers on Kosovo. Also, recognition of Kosovo by Poland, reduce Poland`s legitimacy when Poland try to prevent separation of Silesia from Poland.

That is how western Europe deal with Poland

Dougpol1
15 Nov 2015  #1648

That is how western Europe deal with Poland

I understand your pain, but your president went about things the wrong way, and but for Nato action he would have been tempted to start shooting.

Kosovo is the worlds' newest country and will remain so. My mate Kosovan Tony runs his bar in Katowice, but his countrymen get to stay at home, with their loved ones.

Syrians want that too, but it is impossible at the moment with a 3 way Civil War.

Stick to the topic

Crow
15 Nov 2015  #1649

Reactions?

it can be just another western European trap for Poland

Doug

i won`t try to convince you. But know one thing. When Serbia win, you would see with your own eyes, that mass media of countries which yesterday spat on Serbia, now started to glorify Serbia. That`s just how it is. The winner takes it all

Kennyboy
15 Nov 2015  #1650

If people think that multicultural societies really work they are very much mistaken, all that happens is that the differences are tolerated until push comes to shove and then bang, how would the Muslim father and brothers react if his daughter came home with her new Christian or ''wrong'' type of Muslim boyfriend she met at uni, (honour killings spring to mind) I can't think of any country where it has worked, if anyone can give me a good example please tell me and I'll stand corrected.

It also seems that it only works one way, black man has problems in the West and cries, they're all racist, white man has problems lets say in Egypt the locals claim HE is the problem. When was the last time anybody saw in the media a white man being the victim of a racist attack?

Don't worry about ''refugees'' coming to Poland, send a 100,000, here on Monday gone by Friday, most probably without even saying thank you.


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