Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees

@Levi: how do you expect le pen to make 50.01% at presidential election? And also, please tell us about fn's financing and "economic program". Furthermore tell us about all the gays running the fn! ;)

Obviously you don't know anything about anything, and thanks to confirm it once more :)

@Levi, in MOST countries, ILLEGAL immigrants are entitled to nothing, only those who are legal do ;)

... and furthermore, said money won't come from your pockets, Levi!

@Levi;
You said 2 million Islamic fanatics, now you back down and say 2 million "illegal immigrants".
You put Yemenis AND Pakistanis in the same breath, which shows again how little you know about both groups of people, their cultures and history.

When did I ever express "extremist views against Christians"? The problem with you is that you lie in anger then start believing yourself.

For your info, and listen carefully because you apparently don't know nothing about this; Syria is a country that has been multicultural and multireligious for THOUSANDS for years, not hundreds and not decades. One hundred years ago when the Ottomans started slaughtering Christian Armenians they sought refuge in Syria and were welcomed and very effectively integrated long before most of the rest of the world knew what integration was. Another ignorant statement that shows you are just angry and uninformed is regarding jihadist fighters ESCAPING from Syria to Europe. The flow goes the other way around. Read news.

Polsyr, I DIDNT backed down.

A person that wants to impose Sharia Law and behead those that drink alcohol and eat pork IS A FANATIC.

So i keep what i said: In the current flow, in 5 years, Europe will receive 2 million fanatics.

And do YOU want Poland to have a fair (!!) Share of them?

"Syria is a country that has been multicultural and multireligious for THOUSANDS for years"

I agree. Thanks ASSAD for that.

But now Saudi Arabia and Erdogan want to overthrow the secular Assad regime to restart slaughtering christians.

Levi stop being so dramatic - like in any religion, fundamentalists are in the minority.

"Levi stop being so dramatic - like in any religion, fundamentalists are in the minority."

See thr video of Ben Shapiro that shows that this is not a minority radical.

Or better: Come here to Saudi Arabia and you will see if it is really a minority that is radical ;)

sorry but that is probably one of the most stupid things I have ever read on this forum.
You are making a living in Saudi Arabia and then crying about muslims coming to Poland?
perhaps the sun has got to you,
Wear a hat.

Yeah, because it is totally the same my case (a high skilled professional taking oil money to generate wealth in south America and then fund a business inPoland that will generate jobs for Poles) with illegal immigrants that go to Poland to live on welfare paid by the taxes of Hardworking poles.

Poland can run smoothly, even better, without uniskilled illegal immigrants.

On the other hand, those guys here NEED my skills.

Totally the same.... hahaah fix your brain, buddy.

I am quite sure they could manage without you honey

So according to you everyone arriving on a boat is an Islamic fanatic?


Entirely misinformed statement. Have you ever been to Syria? Ever met a Syrian that has not had the means to go to KSA or other oil-rich countries to earn an actual salary? Ever met one of the millions of Syrians below poverty line that the regime of Assad (both father and son) worked systematically and methodically to keep uneducated and poor, and suppressed with fear?


So are millions of other immigrants, you are nothing special, except that you think you should be privileged above others and believe in a baseless conspiracy theory.

And the thing here is that we aren't talking about millions of people - it's about a small number, part of the EU's (and Poland joined voluntarily) plan to regulate the effects caused by the refugee crisis. People from a country traditionally friendly to Poland and stuck in a dreadful situation now.

Those who are bleating about


would do well to remember that it isn't the


who need our help right now.

I have to say I don't care about them but when I did see them I felt sorry. Don't care about the jews either but when I went to the museum and saw the pictures I hated germans for the next few days, in fact if there was any germans there I would probably start laying my fists into them. It's easy to live detached but when confronted in person everything changes, for me anyway. I really have avoided this thread for this reason. Maybe some of you need to see the nightmare first hand.

It's a dishonourable act to live amongst people you despise and to take money from them in order to get rich yourself. You do so because it meets your own desire for personal wealth, not for any reasons of altruism. I presume the business you intend to fund in Poland will pay you a generous salary. Or will you work for minimum wage because all you really want is to give Poles jobs and help your fellow man?

"And the thing here is that we aren't talking about millions of people "

Even witg all the surveillance, 160 THOUSAND illegals arrived in UE in JUST 5 MONTHS.

How the heck we are not talking about millions????

Only the population of Bangladesh + Pakistan is bigger than entire europe.

Very easily - this whole thing is about organising accommodation etc for people from Syria. The whole point of Poland and elsewhere in the EU accepting our share of refugees is to control the number. Rather than allow the present chaos caused in very large part by the anti-immigration lobby to continue.


I wouldn't mind seeing the Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities in Poland increase.

"Very easily - this whole thing is about organising accommodation etc for people from Syria. "

No, it is not.

In fact, most immigrants are not from Syria. Even because syrians have facilities to give asylum to them since manybof them face real persecution.

The illegals are from countries like Sudan (A Salafist state were is culturally accepted stone to death woman that go out of home alone. And dont tell me that i dont know what is salafism because I AM the one that also lives in a salafist country).

"I wouldn't mind seeing the Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities in Poland increase."

Of course you would not mind. Everyone here knowd the harsh opinion that you have about Poles and how would you love to see them displaced , their churches distroyed and turned into mosques and their homes given to Pakistanis.

"It's a dishonourable act to live amongst people you despise"

No, it is not. To build their empires, Alexander and Napoleon also needed to be in places that they didnt liked, out of the confort zone. I dont want confort or pleasure. I want to build something remarkable.

jon, I don't care what are your preferences, if you think that it constitutes some kind of argument supporting your ideologically based views, you are indeed suffering off some kind of a mental imparity problem not unlike your friend jollyromek.

So far arguments in support of admittance of illegal immigrants into Poland and consequently Europe by the "progressive" thoughtless crew can be narrowed down to following reasoning - " if a practical appliance of principles of their ideology is illogical and harmful to others, we don't care, we are a new wave of fanatics, blind to reality. Set on creating a new type of society - an utopian dream. We don't know whatever it will be a better world, we don't know anything really but we have a fate the future from our dreams will come true but first we need to destroy contemporary society."

Excellent - the Sudanese are wonderful people. Oddly enough I never saw any women being stoned when I lived and worked in Sudan. I did see plenty of women out and about on their own though.


Been there, done that, in the desert right now.


A bit of a weird one, since I've lived in Poland since you were in short trousers, and have stronger links to Poland than you probably ever will. Strange you think that anyone, refugee or not, wants to destroy Polish churches "and turn them into mosques" - there are 2 million Pakistanis in the UK and still plenty of churches - the Muslim community, whether of immigrant roots or whether they are locals who've reverted to Islam tend to prefer buildings where the Qibla stone can be placed without difficulty. This would be inconvenient with the type of church building prevalent in Poland (in the UK it tends to be former Nonconformist chapels - better a Mosque than a discount carpet warehouse) and I've never heard anyone in Poland (or elsewhere) suggest it for even one second. I expect the refugees, of whatever faith or none, will make their own arrangements about places of worship. The Chechens for example, bought a building for that purpose.

The thing about houses being "given" to refugees is a mystery too - in Poland people buy and sell them. The current refugee project does not involve "giving" real estate.

You'd be surprised at the support within Warsaw for refugees - I've been slightly involved with refugee organisations for Ukrainians and Chechens and those Poles and others who help out do not share the views that you do here. I would be very pleased to see more Sudanese come - they are a very educated and cultured people and there are longstanding links between the two countries.

You seem really paranoid about Poland taking her fair share of the current refugees - remember that Poland opted freely to join the European Union and taking part in humanitarian action goes along with the massive cash subsidies received. The idea that accepting a small quota of refugees is not only an act of decency but also ideal in the context of Poland's falling population.

in the case of Britain: amren.com/news/2014/03/immigrants-cost-britain-3000-a-year-each-says-report

You were saying?


I did feel sorry, before I saw the pictures that show 80-90% young, able males that left their old, their children and women to die and fled themselves or are simply economic migrants. However, I am in favour of Poland giving asylum to christian families from Syria.


They are coming and refuse to leave -UE is not the one controlling the numbers.


Invalid and irrelevant.

Empire building of the kind you describe is a thing of the past Levi and no longer considered acceptable. And you can scarecly compare plans to open a business in Poland to the empires of Alexander and Napolean. Such pretentious nonsense.

There's nothing wrong with having aspirations to make money, why do you have a problem with admitting that that's what you want to do? You're no different to millions of other ordinary people who are prepared to compromise their lofty principles in order to make a nice comfortable living.

You seem to be making a lot of assumptions, you should remember that you and your cronies do not constitute majority even in one district of Warsaw and as such they are not representative of the population; neither the EU membership equals total submission to the dictates and whims of some unelected sketchy busybodies. Your dishonesty in presenting issues is simply staggering, there are no founds allocated by the EU to support refugees, they will have to be supported by already overburden Polish taxpayers if it comes to that.

Do tell...


Unelected???


The most generously subsidised tax payers in Europe.

"You seem really paranoid about Poland taking her fair share of the current refugees"

No, i am not paranoid. In just 5 months 160 0000 ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS arrived in Europe.

In 5 years this number can be up to 2 MILLION.

This is more than the entire population of Krakow. With people that have no skills to pay their own bills and have a total different culture than Polish.

By the way, they are, in majority, NOT refugees. Refugees are persecuted people. The Sudanese Salafist Muslims that are arriving in Europe via illegal boats are NOT persecuted in Sudan. Actually, they were the ones killing, raping and raiding entire christian villages in South Sudan until finally UN help them (after 1.5 million deaths).

Now that's a misunderstanding of the situation in Sudan if ever there was one.

The refugees, by the way, come from a broader spread of locations and backgrounds, so yes, I still say you are paranoid.

We do need to approach the refugee crisis with joined up thinking, and Poland does have a role in this.

@Levi Poland was asked to take on specifically a number of Eritreans and Syrians. You are hijacking the subject and making dramatic and false statements in an attempt to throw a smoke screen, just like when you claimed to know more Syrians than I do.

"@Levi Poland was asked to take on specifically a number of Eritreans and Syrians."

Poland have a Wealth per capita of 14 000 dollars.

KSA have 2 times that. UAE hace 3 times that. Kuait have 4 times that. Qatar have 7 times that (!!!). Yes... freaking Qatar have 108000 dollars of GDP per capita.

One thing that i never understood living here in Arabia is:

Most of those immigrants are muslims. Many of them are wahabbis muslims (the most radical sect). They are not allowed to live amobg alcohol or pork. And woman must cover their entire body including face.

There is ABSOLUTELY no Pressure to ANY gulf oil rich country to receive Refugees. The syrians that i saw here are actually those that came through marriage or relatives. But not refugees.

Why Poland, a country that is WAY MORE poor than all those Rich Arab countries, need to carry the burden?

Despite those arab countries having the same culture and also being strictly muslim, as the refugees are. But then a poorer country with totally distinct culture needs to receive all of them and give shelter and food?

How is that fair?

"Now that's a misunderstanding of the situation in Sudan if ever there was one."

So you are putting in doubt that entire populations of christians were slaughtered by Muslims from the Janjaweed in Sudan?
And all the south sudan war was a farce?
Jon, you reached a new low.

It's close to going off topic, so just one sentence: The situation there was far more complex than you suggest with too many very poor people fighting for too few meagre resources in very inhospitable terrain - the refugees, by the way, are not Janjaweed Nomads.


Most GCC countries have received far more refugees than you think over the years.

Poland's obligation is to share in their EU programme - this is a topic of discussion and there is room for negotiation. There will however be refugees coming, no matter how much the anti-immigration brigade may wail and gnash their teeth. This could very well be a positive step.

Off topic but factually incorrect. KSA does not grant visas to all Syrians that marry Saudi citizens (except to Syrian women with Saudi husbands) or that have Saudi relatives. They only grant WORK visas / residence permits, sometimes only to a man and sometimes to a man and his wife and children. And that is that. And under conditions that borderline slavery in some cases.

You failed to directly respond to my point about Poland being asked to accept asylum seekers from Eritrea and Syria and went on about all sorts of other current affairs.

In contrast to Poland, wealthy GCC countries already accommodate THOUSANDS of Syrians under the work visa / residence permit scheme. They do not pay state benefits in cash form but instead they offer health care and subsidized and/or free formal education. Maybe they can do more, but that is NOT the subject of this thread.

In comparison to Poland, which has no more than 5% foreigners in the total population, the vast of majority of them Ukrainian, the tiny State of Qatar (which in terms of area is about 10% larger than the Voivodeship of Opole but has more than double the population) that you used as an example, has 0.4m Qatari citizens and over 1.6 million migrant workers. Even the large KSA has not less than 30% foreigners in the country already.

"In contrast to Poland, wealthy GCC countries already accommodate THOUSANDS of Syrians under the work visa "

Is TOTALLY non-sense compare both situations.

In Poland (or UE in general) arrive illegal immigrants with NO SKILLS and they need to use Taxpayer money to survive.

So the country SPEND money instead of earn something. And spend money that should be spent with POLES, in a country (Poland) that doesnt have money to waste likr Qatar.

People tha arrive in Arabia generally are skilled (except the indiand or etc that work as builders in slavery conditions as you said). The country need those people because the natives are too busy using the oil money at Casinos in Las Vegas (i am not complaining, it is their money anyway).

So Saudi or Qatar ( 108000 USD of GDP per capita!!!) gain a lot with those that come to work here, otherwise the oil and gas will not jump alone out of the soil.

Meanwhile, in Poland, Illegal Immigration means expenditures for a country that have only 14000 usd as GDP (which means a relatively poor country)

"Off topic but factually incorrect. KSA does not grant visas to all Syrians that marry Saudi citizens (except to Syrian women with Saudi husbands) "

How is factually incorrect if i said exactly what you said after? Most syrians in Damman are woman that were lucky to pick some saudi to escape from Syria (i dont know lucky are they to live here anyway...)

Admins: the button quote is not working at Android, by the way.

@Levi again you fail to address the issue at hand and you start throwing current affairs right and left into the picture. You saying nonsense in capital letters does not change the fact that what I stated is true.

EU offered to pay to Poland 6,000 EUR per year per asylum seeker taken. That is 2,000 PLN per month per person. I know some families that live in Poland on that amount.

Most migrant workers in GCC are unskilled labor. Ever been to the industrial area labor camps south of Doha? Ever been to Gussais camps outside Dubai? In fact, ever been to a labor camp in KSA other than your very own?

Poland is not a relatively poor country. Poland is technically upper middle income. Source: IMF. Actually Poland is #46 in a list of 187 countries and territories in terms of GDP per capita.

You changed your statement about Syrians in KSA to Syrians in Dammam. And I sincerely doubt that too.

"Poland is not a relatively poor country"

Relatively to GCC countries Poland is poor. As said, Qatar is 7 times richer than Poland.

Still, Polad needs to pay the bill and accept all illegal immigrants. Doesnt sound fair.

"You changed your statement about Syrians in KSA to Syrians in Dammam. And I sincerely doubt that too."

Damman IS IN Ksa. I cannot talk about Medina or Mecca because i never been there (and in this last one i cant because Non-muslims are not allowed to enter)