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Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees



AdrianK9
26 Mar 2016  #2101

That may work fine for Western Europe where ladies with beards are celebrated and very men have the balls to stand up against sharia patrols. That's not the Europe I want and not the Europe that and increasing about of people want. I bet Casimir Pulaski, Pilsudzki, and Jan Sobieski are turning over in their grave because a lady-man is an elected public official and 7,000 'refugees' were about to be let in, although I doubt PiS intended to keep its promise.

No thanks to Poland being part of the EU basketcase. At least the majority of Polish people understand what's going on all over Europe and don't want the same at home.

If marrying someone from my own nationality is spreading nationalism and against EU policies so be it.

When Peter Sutherland said that EU prosperity depends on migrants, he meant that migrants provide cheap labor as hispanic migrants do in the US. Even in Greece, it's Muslims that pick the strawberries, care for elderly, act as babysitters for children, cook and clean homes, etc. The difference is, Mexicans in the US don't go down the street trying to impose their religion and culture on others, Muslims do.

Also, let's be clear I'm all for helping real refugees and I am glad that Poland lent a helping hand to the Ukranians. These are our neighbors and are real refugees escaping a war.

The vast majority of refugees from Africa and Asia are NOT war fleeing refugees but economic migrants. Once the Muslim world saw that a few real refugees from Syria could come to Europe, be given free housing, food, and money they all thought wow this is great let's all go to europe and so they did and they came in waves. Nearly 40% of these so called refugees are from European countries where there is no war going on like Kosovo and Albania. The refugees coming from Nigeria, India, Iran, Senegal, Angola, Ghana, Bangladesh, The Gambia, Ethiopia, Kosovo, Albania form the majority not the ones from Iraq and Syria. Even now people from Eritrea are considered refugees even thougg there's no war there - they're just escaping military conscription

Real refugees from a war do not care what country accepts them as long as it is safe and there isn't a fear of a violent death. A real refugee is happy to escape with her or her life and does not start demanding that the host nation change its stance to accept the refugees religion and customs. A real refugee doesn't walk with Sharia banners and take advantage of local women. Real refugees like the Ukranians in Poland are grateful, they try to integrate into the host country and learn the language, and they don't demand that the Poles get accustomed to them instead of the other way around. They didn't complain oh Poland is too poor, I want Sweden or Germany because their welfare system is great! No they were happy to just live in a house, get food, and still have their lives.

The vast majority of these invaders were seeing in Europe are NOT refugees, but rather economic migrants that are not escaping a war.

I wrote in another post that I recently came back from a trip from Poland and visited my family in Dortmund. Well, my aunt that lives there and has lived there for around 15-20 years, speaks perfect German, and at one time was married to a German man (he was actually gay) recently lost her job. The reason why she lost her job is because the German government bought the large 4 star hotel that she works at to house migrants... for free. So this lady, who has been working there for years and years, suddenly comes to work one morning to find out she no longer has a job - along with just about all the staff since the government is having their own people employed there. Some migrants get to live for free in a 4 star hotel, enjoy the pool, enjoy the great food, the marble floors and beautiful suites - which are better living accomodations than most others in Dortmund all for FREE. Yes, not even like the US where the free loaders at least pay $50-$100 and live in nice, but not luxurious housing. While some migrants who don't speak German, aren't married to Germans, don't work in Germany and don't pay taxes to the German government get to enjoy more priviledges than the other hard working tax payer citizens of Dortmund.

So while some guy gets to swim around in a swimming pool and unwind in the Jacuzzi, my aunt has to stress about finding a new job so that she can pay the rent of her tiny little old apartment.

This is why I don't want 'refugees' in Poland. From the Ukraine, sure let's help a few thousand out, maybe even some Catholics from Syria and Iraq as they're a dying breed and arguably the most endangered group in that region as long as they can be properly vetted and must find a job... but blindly accepting hundreds of thousands of people who only came specifically to Germany because of the welfare system.... no way...

Like I said before, a real refugee does not care what country he or she is sent to as long as it is safe. Real refugees are just happy to escape with their lives. As the saying goes, beggars can't be chosers.... (except in the case of ultra liberal countries it seems like, where the beggars are the heros and get more honor than veterans)

Wroclaw1010
28 Mar 2016  #2102

Real refugees are just happy to escape with their lives. As the saying goes, beggars can't be chosers

Did you know the Polish refugees who were sent to East Africa continuously agitated until they were evacuated from that region? There wasn't war around that region at the time yet the Polish refugees felt the standard of life there at the time wasn't satisfactory, especially for the children. Yes, they were right! Just bare in mind that refugees making choices of destinations after escaping from the trouble spots wasn't started by these current crop of refugees.

The reason why she lost her job is because the German government bought the large 4 star hotel that she works at to house migrants... for free.

So this lady, who has been working there for years and years, suddenly comes to work one morning to find out she no longer has a job

Adrian, I hope you know how ridiculous you sound for making those statements. Remember that the German government didn't force the property owners to sell out the hotel (if what you've written is indeed true). If what you claim is true, could you please mention the name of the hotel? Even if it was true, she lost her job due to the decisions of her employers......it has nothing to do with the refugees even if they're those who're housed in there.

Secondly, if your aunt was a legal worker in the hotel, then she might have been informed about the ordeal. No entrepreneur will make such a flimsy mistake because they know it might land them in the court of law and eventually leading to huge compensations for employees.

If you're bunt out of shape because these refugees are from the Middle East or practice certain religion then you'll continue to be cheesed off.

dolnoslask
28 Mar 2016  #2103

Interesting now that Turkey is being given billions of /Euros and a free pass for its citizens to travel to Europe the so called Refugee boats have reduced to a trickle.

Has anyone seen pictures of 2 million starving refugees in camps within Turkey?. Is anyone dying because of lack of care, no they are not dying they are safe and well

Millions of euros have been pumped by the west into Turkey to take care of these people.

The fact is the refugees are safe and being well looked after in Turkey, Once hostilities cease they will be able to return and rebuild.

People who are coming to Europe are economic migrants or trained terrorists.

Many of these migrants are not Syrians but opportunist from the rest of Africa.

Poland can see this and chooses to do the right thing , that is to keep it's citizens safe.

Tictactoe
28 Mar 2016  #2104

For every refugee that is sent back, one is allowed into Europe. One in, one out.
Germany and its guilt complex over Poland is going to ruin Europe and I can see big problems for Poland in years to come.
The general population of Germany is growing and it will flow over into Poland, you watch and see.

AdrianK9
28 Mar 2016  #2105

Remember that the German government didn't force the property owners to sell out the hotel (if what you've written is indeed true).[/quote]

Um actually yes they did. There are various laws that allow local governments to act as entities to lease or purchase properties and force the tenants or employees out which is how the German governments are able to take over hotels, apartments, schools, etc. and use it to house refugees. I'll post a few examples below. The same situation is occurring in Sweden but I haven't looked into Belgium, Denmark, etc. yet. The reason why this affects me is because I see my family in Germany, who speak German, pay taxes to the German government, and are citizens of Germany, are getting shafted while these 'refugees' the majority of whom aren't even Syrian are getting 4 star accommodations for free. Suddenly, there's all these freeloaders in Dortmund - even my family is friend with Turks that came in the 60's and 70's and these individuals assimilated, speak German, work, and pay taxes. However, even many of the local Turks in Dortmund aren't happy with this sudden influx in their home town. There's small towns of 300, 1,000, 5,000 people or so who's culture has been unmolested for centuries now suddenly their being invaded with a totally foreign cultured and in many cases totally outnumbered. To make matters worse, local politicians all the way to Merkel are surprised that a town of 300 is concerned with taking in 1,000 people in of a totally different culture and religion.

Did you know the Polish refugees who were sent to East Africa continuously agitated until they were evacuated from that region?

I don't know specifically about Poles in East Africa but I am very familiar with those sent to Siberia. Thousands actually marched on foot to Iran. The difference is, that the majority of these Poles wanted to go back to their native country. Even in the past few decades there's been a huge push to relocate Polish refugees that were shipped to Siberia and repatriate them back to Poland. The Poles didn't march around Siberia with 'Catholicism 4 Kazakhstan' signs, rape local women, or demand that Orthodox symbols be removed because they're offensive. No, they worked in labor camps, assimilated as best they could, and wanted to go back to Poland. The Polish government intervened on their behalf and offered to take them back to Poland - which thousands accepted and this is still going on. They didn't say, well thanks but we'd rather have you pay for us to go to England or Australia. The refugees don't want to go back to Ghana, Nigeria, Kosovo, Turkey, Bangladesh, etc. because they know they'll have to work to survive - in Europe they don't have to do anything aside from fill out some paperwork and they get to live better than the local average retirees.

No entrepreneur will make such a flimsy mistake because they know it might land them in the court of law and eventually leading to huge compensations for employees.

I recommend you read up on this as this is not the case. This happening all over Germany and Sweden and governments are allowed to force owners to sell them the property or to lease the entire property out to them. My aunt is a citizen of Germany and was married to a German (recently divorced because he turned out to have a secret gay lover) - so she was definitely allowed to work in Germany and still lives there. I believe the hotel was owned by a conglomerate and not an individual and there was many incidents where this happened before. The employees apparently received about 24-48 hours notice but she didn't actually find out till the morning of when she reported to work and saw the now ex-employees protesting in front. She is currently working with the government as well as the ex employees and actively looking for work otherwise I wouldn't mind asking her the name of the hotel (she mentioned it but I forgot the name) and posting it. The fact that she was bawling while she said this makes me want to believe her - especially when I looked further into and realized it's not just her hotel or her city where this happened. In many cases, the employees tried to go public to draw attention to their cause but were silenced. The government in Germany has confiscated even properties from old people and made them move out to make room for refugees. This is old news... look up even the story of Bettina Halbey or Gabrielle Keller who have gone public, granted with limited success, with their forced eviction in Germany.

Students and teachers forced to vacate a school within 24 hours, which will be given to refugees:
nationalreview.com/corner/424953/deutsche-raus-germany-evicts-residents-and-seizes-property-house-migrants-mark

Another 4 star hotel in Saxony seized: The sad thing is there's hardly any news outlets reporting this because of the liberal domination - this is the talk of the town amongst German citizens yet there's hardly anyone reporting on it

gatesofvienna.net/2015/10/four-star-hotel-in-saxony-becomes-refugee-housing/

A four-star hotel in the German town of Halle (in Saxony-Anhalt, the former DDR) was abruptly converted into "refugee" housing. Hotel employees and business owners received little or no information about the closure beforehand, and many were taken by surprise, finding themselves locked out and suddenly unemployed.

frontpagemag.com/point/260243/european-leftists-want-seize-homes-house-muslim-daniel-greenfield

Exerpt:

Cities such as Dortmund, Gelsenkirchen and Tübingen have all declared that confiscations cannot be ruled out in emergency situations. In February in Olpe, a town in North Rhine-Westphalia, a family inn was subject to compulsory purchase for migrant accommodation, although in that case negotiations for sale were already underway.

The mayor of Salzgitter, Frank Klingebiel (CDU), has decided to restrict" temporarily "the fundamental right to property. Due to the massive influx of asylum seekers, the mayor intends to requisition empty private homes.


This is where my aunt's and other German taxpayer's money is going:
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3428520/Germany-spend-400-MILLION-multi-year-contract-housing-10-000-refugees-Holiday-Inn-hotels.html

Transgender person stoned in my Aunt's city by migrants... yeah they're really assimilating and respecting the local people and local laws... did any Polish people stone anyone in East Africa or Siberia while living in exile or any country they emigrated too? I doubt it...:

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3402706/Two-German-transgender-women-STONED-street-gang-three-North-African-teenagers-Dortmund-said-people-killed.htmlkilled.html[/url]

Another 90,000 arrived in just the first seven weeks of 2016. This is an invasion of Europe. Well see how the leftists socialists love it when one day these Muslims get to the point where their population is so big that they can elect their own people in parliament and even the presidency. As the population grows, so will groups like Sharia 4 Belgium, Sharia 4 Germany groups who will eventually put their own people into government. Laws will change my friend and soon you will have total sharia zones in Europe.

I think the PiS government has even more knowledge about this crisis than me or you. It's funny because earlier in this thread I said there would just be a matter of time before another huge attack - not even the weekend passed and already 320 injured, 74 dead - mostly women and children - in an attack on Easter Sunday. No, it wasn't in Europe - but this has now become the norm...

Polonius3
28 Mar 2016  #2106

Lefty-libs

And there is no shortage of such dingbats in PO, the Petru gang, SLD and KOD. Those groups therefore constitute a threat to Poland's security and should be closely observed.

delphiandomine
28 Mar 2016  #2107

That sounds like the kind of thing that Communist parties said in the mid-late 40's. "These opposition groups are a threat to security! We should monitor them, and just to be sure, they should be thrown in prison!"

landofthunder
30 Mar 2016  #2108

Back to the topic. Poland under pressure to obey Soros and his G-d.
Here's watching you, kids. From far away I am greatly enjoying the Insanity Show, "Psychiatric Hospital", now playing at the EU Theatre, 'Lunatic Asylum'. Comedy? Tragedy? Noire? Don't know. But, I'm greatly amused. Nice.Thank you.

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AdrianK9
30 Mar 2016  #2109

That's why Poland and the Visegard 4 is now the pariah of Europe. After the Paris, then Brussels attacks (and on Easter the ones in Lahore) and all the issues migrants are causing, people are realizing perhaps we shouldn't allow in 'refugees.' Most the media doesn't agree though and lambasts countries for building fences on their border... I mean we've literally got to the point where it's unacceptable to protect your own borders from illegals...

abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/latest-70-migrants-rescued-dinghy-aegean-38022754

Not good....

Poland's foreign minister says the government stands by its commitment to take in 7,000 refugees, on condition they are checked for security and are willing to settle in Poland.

This 7,000 will become triple within 20 years because of the way these people breed. If you can't feed it, don't breed it.

Also further down:
The Paris transit authority closed the Stalingrad metro station during the operation. The area has seen multiple migrant camps in recent years that are periodically cleared out.

French media reported the residents were primarily from Eritrea, Ethiopia, Sudan and Afghanistan.


Polonius3
31 Mar 2016  #2110

,000 will become triple

Do you believe those 7000, if actually ever admitted to Poland, will choose to remain in Poland for long?
Anyway, some good news on TVP1 last night was that the number of refugees entering Europe in March was one-third of the January 2016 figure. There are still far too many in Europe, but they will be dealt with properly as problems arise.

No-go Shariah zones should be abolished and accepted Muslim refugees should be scattered amogst non-Muslims, not concentrated. Those who oppose that should be deported. Guests cannot dictate terms to theri host country.

AdrianK9
31 Mar 2016  #2111

Do you believe those 7000,

Of course not! Most of the refugees that were accepted into Poland the Czech Republic (estimated are around 50%+) fled to Germany shortly after.

Guests cannot dictate terms to theri host country.

According to the Swedish politicians, the local whites are the ones who are the 'problem' and need to adapt. According to German politicians, from mayors of tiny towns all the way to Merkel, they're shocked that local citizens are opposed to accepting refugees.

No-go Shariah zones

I've had this argument with the liberals on this website. We've agreed that while there perhaps aren't any 'no-go' zones in Europe in the sense that a white Catholic person cannot walk in and expect to not walk out with their lives, there are many vastly area Muslim majority areas that have the following characteristics - Sharia stickers plastered all over lightposts, Hisbah patrols at night, cops are terrified of going into because they are often shot at, women in skirts and people drinking beer are chastised, there is rampant crime, unemployment, resistance to assimilate, high incidence of rape, ISIS sympathiser, and it is an area that white people, including police, are just generally scared to go into. Even the liberal media says that the government has little authority and the areas are run as semi-autonomous zones. To me, that's a no-go zone. To the liberals though, a no-go zone is an area where a white European cannot go into or he or she will die, be raped, chastised by the fundamentalists, etc.

Hope runs along
24 Apr 2016  #2112

Merged: Is there anyone in Poland who demonstrates compassion to Syrian refugees?

In a country that has had an integrated and respected Muslim minority community for hundreds of years where did the current increasingly xenophobic attitude to Syrian refugees come from. (Fear whipped up by the media breeds ignorance Which can manifest in hatred) he Tatars were respected warriors who form an influential part of Polish history in particular their defence of the polish nation in times of war. The refusal to take any Syrians is beyond me and demonstrates the lowest form of morality and utter lack of compassion. Where as I utterly understand the need to ensure the risks against terrorist infiltration are maximised it seems morally wrong to punish the 99.9% of innocents who are fleeing utter destruction (particularly in the rebel held areas in the north where Russian jets have obliterated normal society into ruble.) with appropriate screening and vetting Poland could take some refugees - hard working families who could add to society. I'm not interested in seeing any more hatred, scummy xenophobic comments. Polish social media and mainstream media is full of this... Are there any morally strong people who have a different viewpoint?

Bieganski
24 Apr 2016  #2113

In a country that has had an integrated and respected Muslim minority community for hundreds of years

Poland currently has a population of around 30,000 non-Tatar Muslims. The last census in 2011 showed there were around 2,000 Tatars living in Poland.

So how many millions of Muslims and other economic refugees do you personally want Poland to take in and why? How much money in Poland's budget should be diverted away from Poland's youth, elderly and unemployed in order to tend to any newly arrived migrants? How long should migrants remain dependent on the state as a source of their income?

The refusal to take any Syrians is beyond me and demonstrates the lowest form of morality and utter lack of compassion.

The vast majority of economic migrants entering Europe are not Syrians.

In any case why are you bothered about Poland not taking in economic migrants when Syria's neighboring countries such as Israel and Saudia Arabia have resolutely refused to help? Don't tell me you are some sort of Semetic racist who wants to keep certain countries in the Middle East ethnically and theocratically "pure" and so therefore Europe and in particular Poland should absorb the Middle East's social problems.

Poland could take some refugees - hard working families who could add to society.

That's a vague claim. Add to society how? What opportunities should economic migrants be given instead of Poland's youth and the unemployed?

Are there any morally strong people who have a different viewpoint?

Charity begins at home. So why don't you go move to Syria and help people on the ground where they need it the most?

Szalawa
24 Apr 2016  #2114

Another beautiful post Bieganski, you express truth and represent reason and logic

Bieganski
24 Apr 2016  #2115

^Thanks. It's amazing though how these dogmatists like "Hope runs along" (very likely a sock puppet account) think nothing of trying to take advantage of the charity and goodwill of others (replete with shaming language) just so they can advance their own costly and unsustainable ideological agendas.

jon357
24 Apr 2016  #2116

Where as I utterly understand the need to ensure the risks against terrorist infiltration are maximised it seems morally wrong to punish the 99.9% of innocents who are fleeing utter destruction

Spot on.

Poland could take some refugees - hard working families who could add to society.

This is what will happen, sooner or later.

glpswt
25 Apr 2016  #2117

Immingrants have no chance to live in Poland. Specially muslim ones. Poland has hard-coded tradition and it wont allow another culture to accept. Even i have some stares on me in public if im immigrant and i cannot imagine how burka will survive in Poland :D Im writing this as non-muslim dark haired guy and this is my personal opinion.

Marsupial
25 Apr 2016  #2118

Poland is no place for these people! I think uae should be their destination.

Levi
25 Apr 2016  #2119

"Immingrants have no chance to live in Poland. Specially muslim ones. Poland has hard-coded tradition and it wont allow another culture to accept."

Indeed.

Poland have a well established culture and will not fall into the guilty trap that is destroying most western nations and making the islamified.

Muslims that are being sent to Poland by the terrorist group Muslim Brotherhood and are establishing themselves at the Mosque of Wilanów will have a hard time trying to force conversions of Poles to Islam.

And eventually they will fail. Not before have their asses kicked when they dare to punch polish woman like they do in their lands at Pakistan.

Iwona32cph
25 Apr 2016  #2120

I hope they will not come to Poland!
Already Scandinavia is destroyed by them. When I'm walking on the streets in the evening and I hear our polish language first I think is: "so I'm safe now" even simple word "kurwa" makes me happy...

I don't feel safe anymore in public transport or on the streets of Copenhagen or Malmoe. I'm planning to come back to Poland.

Dougpol1
25 Apr 2016  #2121

even simple word "kurwa" makes me happy...

Words fail..........

nothanks
25 Apr 2016  #2122

I don't feel safe anymore in public transport or on the streets of Copenhagen or Malmoe. I'm planning to come back to Poland.

I watched a clip yesterday [youtube: brawl at Swedish city hall] of a tiny town hall meeting in Swedish village. Parents are scared because even more refugees are being brought in AND the refugee centers are being built next door to Elementary Schools (!)

The clip illustrates
A) How restrained the Swedes are - even in similiar city hall debates I've watched occuring in Germany, the Germans are angrier and louder

B) How Multicultural the local government is and how blatantly arrogant they act in response to the locals concern

Even in Holland I saw locals rioting outside a town hall meeting, scaring the spineless politicians. I imagine AND HOPE in Poland the locals of a tiny village would physically confront the politicians outside. Ultimately the police "protecting the officials" are also locals and also have children to worry about.

So ultimately as crooked and inept the government is in Sweden: the people themselves are laying down and doing nothing. The only sign of life I see is their growing disapproval of joining the EU. But it will require physical "justice" to reverse the parasites the tiny nation of Sweden has already accepted in

jon357
25 Apr 2016  #2123

So ultimately as crooked and inept the government is in Sweden:

That one single phrase demolishes your whole post.

nothanks
25 Apr 2016  #2124

Swedes have free and fair elections. Responsibility falls on them to vote accordingly. Austria did it this week

How deep seeded is the self-hate in Sweden? This is their money, their neighborhoods, the well being of their children. What else is there in life? How does a population of people become so castrated. It is unheard of anywhere else on Planet Earth. Maybe even in History, this self defeating

Iwona32cph
25 Apr 2016  #2125

I'm living in Copenhagen and I can tell you what really is happening here. I'm not a racist I have many friends from Asia and Africa and I'm happy to know them, but there is some groups of people like from Sudan, Somalia or Pakistan, that are destroying everything they found on theirs way. I have been attacked many times by Muslim man. They are touching women and kids in public for example in the restaurants. My 11 years old son was beaten by group of kids from Pakistan. When I'm sitting in the cafe in central Copenhagen and a group of these men come in, I'm leaving cause I'm scared they will start to shoot or do something else. There is very often something dangerous in Cph. I think these people hate everyone and everything. When I was in language school 8 years ago, a man from Morocco told me, that he will cut my head cause I we're eating sandwich with pork. What the school did? They removed me, cause I bring him stress...for my opinion, Denmark suppose to send him back to his homeland if was saying this things to others and if I will say something like that I will be in prison.

I don't know actually why EU is killing itself, maybe some people like petro dollars and they don't care of us who's living here from centuries in peace.

Of course Danes are complaining about Poles, that they work black and steal bikes, but they don't see, when refugees are raping and killing theirs kids. It's something wrong here.

nothanks
25 Apr 2016  #2126

Thank you for your insight and stay safe Iwona.

There is an element of arrogance in the Scandinavian mindset. They view their society/way of life as the pinnacle. They believe everyone and anyone will be successful as long as they grow up in their system.

Not sure what Swedish gameplan is, even long term because in the short term everyone admits their taxes will be raised and social benefits slashed. Is their ultimate dream to be a Canada (which is finally starting to show signs of multicultural problems)? What's wrong with just being Swedish. This is what I frankly can't grasp. Even if these were excellent foreigners: why do you want to replace your culture/people? - the very culture/way of life that you are trying to "enlighten the world with 1 refugee at a time"

As someone that lived in the USA and spent time in Germany, I understand the power of self-hating media and educational institutions but Sweden takes it to another level

Iwona32cph
25 Apr 2016  #2127

Well you welcome ;)
Sorry for my English I'm speaking polish and danish most of the time. When I came here 10 years ago, it was already bad with the foreigners outside "our culture" but now is even worse. I'm really thinking to go back to Poland and even if I will earn less money than now I will be ok cause living in a safe country for me is more important.

I will always say, that Scandinavians are somehow ignorants, kids already learn to not speak loud what they think and they are more closed mind for me. In Poland we always look on western society and are amazed about theirs lives etc but actually now I can say: there is nothing that can impress me! They are living like in gold cage, don't see anything around them just theirs system and that's all :) everything Danish is the best on the world blah blah blah

Actually not everything, but they don't want to hear that. They consider Danes the happiest nation, but is also a nation which is mostly using "lykke piler" pills of happiness- antidepressant and sure they are happy after that. I think, this everything state is using to make people stupid, be quiet and just do what politics want...and maybe that's why, others culture are taking over them.

chlopek2
25 Apr 2016  #2128

What if Poland only accepted widowed women and orphaned children. That way the process of assimilation would be easier. There would be less ethnic tensions since female and children would not be perceived as a physical threat, the would be pitied. Furthermore, the answer is to take various national and ethnic groups, not from one group. Involve local Polish church groups in the social support networks, this would help the socialisation and integration of the refugees and also the local community would learn about these desperate people flight. It is a win/win, EU would have to accept Poland is accepting refugees and Poland wouldn't have to worry about men of military age entering their country en mass.

I appreciate it is somewhat banal, but these are seemingly the times we are living in. The Nationalists will decry me for a stealth sharia invasion, the liberals will batter me with human rights, so I'm appealing to the pragmatists.

AdrianK9
25 Apr 2016  #2129

The problem is that Poland and Czech Republic tried to resettle many legit refugees - half of them went to Germany shortly after getting shelter, food, and money courtesy of Polish taxpayers.

chlopek2
26 Apr 2016  #2130

@AdrianK9 you are correct and if you are a refugee you will want to gravitate towards your diaspora. Plus the more likely guarantee of employment or half decent benefits in Northern Europe, it is an obvious strategic choice.

Given that Poland's history is a Nation of emigration not immigration, a homogenous, religious and non ex-colonial Nation, which has been subjected to numerous vicious subjegations. I use the term Nation not country because of the fluidity of the country's national borders, which have at various points in the history of the 'Country of Poland' encompassed Jewish, Ukrainian, German, Tatar, Russian and Vietnamese ethnicities minorities. So therefore the Polish Nation is a separate entity, with an identity as strong as the Jewish nation or any other homogeneous nation, to the other Ethnic identities who have lived and continue to live through 'Poland the Country's' history.

The Polish have spread worldwide, because of exactly the same malaise which has settled upon North Africa and the Arab States now.
Poland is not mature enough as a society, nor an economy, to maintain and integrate an alien culture, it would be incredibly divisive within Polish society. The problem is the discourse itself and the polemical dialogue that could fracture Polish society, regardless of the numbers of migrants. The party chairman's didactic populism contains some very uncomfortable truths for Western European countries about their own failures to integrate migrant communities and their own rising far-right parties.

Which even those who support the liberal Western ideal are they themselves conscious and cautious about.

It is a questions of economics and supply and demand, until Poland is on a par with Germany, France and the UK economically in terms of real pay etc Poland will not need an immigrant class. Only once Polish people have pay equality in the European market, will there be any chance of Poland the Nation accepting mass immigration into "Poland the Country", to do the jobs they don't want to do. Poland has at least another 20 years to go before it is going to be ready.


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