Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees

Exactly Wino.

You are 100% correct. Britain asked for multiculturalism when they voted for Tony Blair. Britain asked have Anjem Choudary saying that he will put a Burqa at the queen and implant Sharia in Uk. Britain asked to have Yousef Al Qaradawi.

Now they need to deal with the consequences of their choices: the destruction of their country by their own multicultural guests.

Poland, on the other hand, never wanted to put polish culture in the garbage like britain. Poland voted for a strong and incisive man like Duda, and this vote was a big NO to the wishes of West Europe of conquer and destroy Poland turning into a illegal immigrant dumpster.

They can destroy Britain, France or Belgiun with their apparently "modern" ideas about fill the country with illegals that are backfiring so terribly.

But not Poland.

@Levi; stop being "Polisher than the Poles". You are not Polish, you don't live in Poland, you don't pay tax in Poland so cool it! As to Duda, since over 50% of the Poles did (and do) not vote, it means he represents 25% of Polish voters, so sorry not a huge majority!

What do you expect Duda to do besides obeing Brussels since Poland needs handouts. Poland cannot survive without foreign aid and therefore cannot have a big mouth.

Poland once more shall do as it is told and koniec.

Tictactoe.....yes it goes for them. They give the rest of us a bad name. Should be deported.

"Poland once more shall do as it is told and koniec."

Not even in your dreams.

The victory of Duda was just the beginning. In september PiS will have the parliament. And then Poland will have the soveirgnity again. I am not talking about exit UE. I am talking about stop being a slave. Because PiS PROTECT the Polish interests.

They are not weak like Hollande to sell france to Qatar for few bucks.

"@Levi; stop being "Polisher than the Poles". You are not Polish, you don't live in Poland"

1st: Another personal attack? Why you never discuss my subjects and everytime just do personal attacks against me?

2nd: Again you are trying to dictate what i should say based on my nationality.

This is nothing different than those in USA who said that hispanics should vote only for democrats or they where traitors, as if hispanics didnt had a right to opinion.

So who is the true racist here?

The racism of the Left Wing can be even harsher than any other form of racism.

@Levi: if I remember right, before the election, you were in favor of ... Komorowski ;). Do you know, that PiS is rather left wing in terms of economics ;).

As to France, obviously, you don't know anything. Believe me, Qatar has been investing in western Europe and the USA for years and in France, it was even before Sarkozy. Do you believe Qatar and other Arabs don't buy Poland???? I have a cousin here in Warsaw who used to work for Saudi investors...

You don't know Poland and you don't know the other countries...

Stick to the topic

"if I remember right, before the election, you were in favor of ... Komorowski ;). Do you know, that PiS is rather left wing in terms of economics ;)."

But i still stand that in terms of Economics PO is better than PiS.

But Poland face a great danger, from the Russians and the Salafists, and PO is too weak to deal with them. That is why now i support PiS. I just wish they could have the same economical expertise of PO. With their qualities of Strongness and defense of poland and Polish culture, would be perfect.

"You don't know Poland and you don't know the other countries..."

Yeah, me, a long time expatriate that lived in 4 continents, know nothing. You, a french kid, knows everything.

If you are worried about a few asylum seekers stealing jobs from Poles, here is a picture that addresses that issue rather nicely.

"If you are worried about a few asylum seekers stealing jobs from Poles"

I am not and i am never was. Again you are delirious about things that i supposedly said.

I am actually concerned about immigrants that come, ILLEGALLY, and then DONT WORK, but actually live in government benefits paid by those that work.

If the guy comes legally, find a job and pay his own bills abiding to the law, who can judge him?

But if the guy comes, illegally, from Pakistan*, withou intention of work, and then ask for free food, free housing and more money or he will burn cars, riot in the streets and explode the parliament, THEN YES I AM AGAINST THIS GUY.

*This guy exists and his name is Anjem Choudhary. He survives with all his expenses paid by the government. Meanwhile, he plots how to ovethrown the government and impose sharia.

Go to every hospital or GP clinic and see those 'tanned' beauty faces diagnosing and treating you.


I have.

European policy on immigration is fortunately not based on such trivia as skin colour - and Poland as an EU member state would not be allowed (or even be stupid enough to try) to introduce that into the negotiations over refugees. Nor would the Polish government want to.

jon

I don't quite understand what are you trying to prove.

That Western Europe doesn't have problem with unemployment and social/benefit living from most of African/Far Eeast immigrants?
That's simply not true.

That's it doesn't raise crime level? Not true. That those people assimilate easily? Not true.

Tell me what is a person with no education and no Polish language knowledge is suppose to do in Poland? Work? No? Learn Polish? Highly unlikely.

Live on benefits and become a burden, or most likely start crime activity because benefits in Poland are low? Bingo.

And you think we want how many of those immigrants in Poland?
Skilled legal immigration - 100 % approval. Illigal immigration of unskilled workers - 100% disagreement.

Its open knowledge that the usa and others meddled there in the middle east and helped to bring it all down. They still are. Poland should flatly refuse, already taking migrants from the east because of another meddling power. The southern ones can go to those powers that are responsible. No need to trash yet another country.

Doesn't Poland have the very said army in its country at the moment ?

You can't have the US tanks and soldiers in your country and then say you will flatly refuse immigrants from a conflict it creates, its hypocritical.

I think if you are looking for work and prepared to move to find it, you will succeed. That's what Poles are doing in other countries, right? Most of them do it here as well. If you live in an economic blackspot, it's best to move, while the government prevaricates and plans it's next Amazon crappy job warehouse solution.

If I am so "ignorant", what is your suggestion then? "Creating jobs" as in communist times, by planting a "metalworks" in every pretty town, or by producing kettles etc etc etc that nobody wants?

In the meantime, I can't get me a proper cleaner who is actually prepared to do the job properly. I would love the chance to employ an immigrant who might actually do some graft.

"That's it doesn't raise crime level? Not true. That those people assimilate easily? Not true."

Exactly. Every single impartial study (made without fear of be politically correct) shows exactly that: Illegal Immigration raises dramatically the crime levels.

The question made previously can resume the situation:

How a Somalian that have no skills, doesnt speak polish and not even english (Unlike London, Arabic is not a common language in Poland), and no contacts will find a way to survive?

And there exists only 2 options:

1- Live by government welfare paid by taxes of the workers. But Poland is way poor to fund this kind of expenditure (Even Britain, a much richer country, is strangled, that is why one of the promises of the winning campaign of Cameron was to cut welfare to Illegal immigrants).

2 - Crime.

You dont need to be a genius to realize that.
You just need to forget the damn political correctness and think about the future of Polish Kids.

What kind of future a open door policy to illegal immigration will deliver to polish kids? Which kind of country will be delivered to them?

Simply inserting the word Poland into your comments does not make them on topic especially if you are a one trick pony

as a Serbian, i believe that Poles have right to organize Poland as it is suitable to them. So, flow of migrants over the Poland, too.

Dzien dobry! Just heard in the news. Big mouth Hungary has just decided to follow what EU tells them to do. Money does talk! ;). Poland too shall follow as too weak to dictate their will to Brussels...

Not too hard to understand, EU pays, EU decides ;)

Orly? Do you have any source to prove it?

Actually it's exactly opposite: two day ago Hungary suspended European Asylum Agreement (Dublin Treaty). It means that illegals which traveled from Hungary to e.g. Austria cannot be returned to Hungary now.

uk.reuters.com/article/2015/06/23/uk-europe-migrants-austria-hungary-idUKKBN0P31ZB20150623

It' very good decision by Hungary. Selfish Western Europe until now simply returned to Hungary tens of thousand people saying ,,they crossed EU border in Hungary so they are your problem". Where was EU solidarity back then? Per capita Hungary has more illegals than Italy or Greece but somehow noone in the EU cared about it.

Hungary is also going to build massive fence alongside border with Serbia to prevent illegals from crossing the borders.


Who exactly decides? ,,EU" is not the answer, name me European office authorized to force Hungary or Poland to accept illegals. If you think that anyone is going to stop EU funds to Poland because we don't want illegals i suggest you to come back to earth.

@Wjtk: this morning on Euronews (in English) + France24. I have no time to translate but you can use Google translator ;)

france24.com/fr/20150624-migrants-hongrie-renonce-suspendre-regle-ue-demandes-asile-union-europeenne-schengen

= Hungary gives up its supending of EU's rules ;)

You are forgetting that not everyone is an educated, single 20 year old without commitments. Those who were have already done it. Beside that, I should mention the alcoholism and pathology that is a big part of polish countryside-legacy of communism and state collective farms. Poverty breeds pathology and that breeds more pathology and it is hard to break that cicle. We should concern ourselves with solving that situation.


Deal with the problem. Invest time and resources to get these people active and competitive on the job market. The wages in Poland are low, some people face the problem of moving to a bigger city, leaving their parents/children behind and living in some crappy apartment, while sending everything home or staying, taking care of them and being unemployed or trying to live of the land. How bringing uneducated, non polish speaking people will help? The resoures would have to be "wasted" on them and Poland is not rich. You take care of your own first.


Why do you believe that they are prepared to do anything? You think to import people from Africa and give them a stamp in their passport that says "cleaner"? Assuming that they would want to do the job(and statistically 75% of Arab women do not work and I don't see aman cleaning your house)and forgeting for a moment all the hassle that bringing them here creates it still wouldn't solve the problem because the next generation wouldn't want to do that and you would have to bring more people and it would go on and on. That is shorsighted and it is crazy to bring people from 3 thousand km away and investing in them when you can do the same with people 100 km from you.

Also, Poland is in a fortunate situation to have Ukrainians that are able and willing to work here on a working visa when they are needed.

Try them or the students, it is really not that difficult, post and ad maybe?
P.S. We are once again coming to the conclusion that these people are not refugees but an economic immigrants.


Me neither, I assume they think it is straining too much from the topic, but half of this thread can e considered that and I don't understand how the decision is made.


Nah, they are still building the wall.

It is interesting though, isn't? Hungary has bigger problem with illegal immigration than Italy does and yet no quotas are proposed to deal with the problem.

Here is one in English;

bbc.com/news/world-europe-33259379

That info is not complete. Hungary indeed didn't suspend the treaty but they also declared that they are not going to take back refugees which crsossed Hungarian border and traveled to Austria, Germany and other countries. In other words they won't return to Hungary.

I'm sure they will keep their words. Orban had courage to challange powerful European and international financial institutions (and he succeded!) so i'm sure he will defend his country against illegal problem aswell.

In a meantime the idea of obligatory distribution of illegals among EU states (including Poland) has fallen:

wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/1,114871,18245494,Nie_ma_zgody_wsrod_panstw_UE_co_do_imigrantow___Domagaja.html?lokale=local#BoxNewsLink

France, Spain, UK, Finland, Poland, Czech Rep, Hungary, Slovakia, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Slovenia were against.

can someone explain to me,am abit noob here...how comes those people who crossed borders in hungary and italy or greece , without any visas or permit,cannot be deported?i dont get it.what visas are for?i remember times in 90-ties when i was working in the UK..any Pole caught without valid visa was instantly deported.why EU cant deport those immigrants?is there logistic issue?

@wjtk thanks for sharing that link with us.

I honestly doubt that they will stand their grounds when both Germany and Italy (plus Netherlands, Austria, Belgium etc) put their full weight behind this. Remember that Germany is Poland's biggest export business partner (buyer) as well as largest direct foreign investor.

I believe it might change in superficial terms but still expect to see Poland obligated to receive some number of asylum seekers eventually.

I said in a previous post that Poland in particular might compromise on the issue of asylum seekers on the condition that sanctions against Russia are kept in force. The same is expected from the Baltic States, as well.

Another idea being talked about is Poland receiving only "selected" asylum seekers instead - meaning asylum seekers that applied for asylum via missions abroad, without having actually entered the EU.

Finally, I guess we just have to wait and see. Nothing that we write here on the form can change what the decision makers will finally decide.

I see that after the attack at the factory in Saint-Quentin-Fallavier people here came to their senses and stopped preaching about necessity for Poland to give in to the pressure to accept illegal aliens from Muslim countries of the North Africa.

Actually it would make sense to accept Christian refugees from those areas affected by strife and war.

Naturally.

And the decision will hopefully be made with compassion and common sense. Poland does have a declining population and this could very well be the answer.

"Poland does have a declining population and this could very well be the answer."

Poland have a declining population, so for you the answer is to REPOPULATE the country with uniskilled somalians that have a culture were a woman is treated like an animal or third class citizen?

And gays are throw from the top of building?

So your solution is to kick out all the poles, convert all the churches to mosques and repopulate the country with illegal immigrants?

Sorry, they already tried that in Lebanon and the country that once was the Switzerland from middle east just turned into another middle east destroyed place.

Not a good idea, buddy.

And here is the conclusion:

thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/213231,Poland-ready-to-take-2000-refugees

Quote:

"Poland has said it is prepared to accept 2,000 people as part of the EU plans to resettle refugees."

Now who said it would never happen...???

Edit to add: EU will earmark EUR 6,000 per refugee.

The only place, where ILLEGAL immigrants should be resettled is place of origin.

@PLSK irrespective of you think, Poland has agreed to take in a certain number. I am just reporting the news story, not my opinion on it.

Probably a classic Polish scam - take the cash and watch them vanish.