Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees

@delph Many will end up in Germany I reckon.

Absolutely. Poland won't bother to put any special measures in place to track their movement, and if they vanish, I can imagine a very clear "oh dear, what a shame" type response.

Either that, or in Calais.

@delph We will have to wait and see. Easy to anticipate but hard to predict. Poland has one of the poorest "systems" in Europe in terms of immigrant integration - essentially a bunch of uncoordinated token efforts here and there and a few (privately funded) NGOs but that's all (if anyone else knows otherwise please correct me). On the other hand, EU is is allotting a lot of money to go with this initiative, and depending on how that is spent...

Anyway, I look forward to meeting some Syrians in Poland just to reinforce the fact that I know more Syrians than Levi :-)

"two day ago Hungary suspended European Asylum Agreement (Dublin Treaty). It means that illegals which traveled from Hungary to e.g. Austria cannot be returned to Hungary now."

Fidesz, Baby!

Those guys really care for their people! And they are not afraid to show a middle finger to Francois Hollande and their Anti-Europe gang (Hopefully very soon even the french will have balls to show the middle finger to Hollande, the guy is the president with lowest popularity at Europe).

Viktor Orban in just one breath have more braveness than entire Western Europe

"thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/213231,Poland-ready-to-take-2000-refugees"

So if Polad will take 2000 "refugees" now, i will tell you what that means:

16 THOUSAND Illegal immigrants in a timespan of 3 years only. Since almost all of those 2000 illegals are adult man that left their kids and wife(s) behind to have a illegal entry to Europe. Put around 5 kids per men (Somalia's average) and 1 or 2 wifes, and in few years they will ask for the right to bring all those to Poland too. And EU will give them that right.

So yes, in 3 years Poland will have a population of Illegal Immigrants with an alien culture equivalent to ENTIRE WILANOW.

Another interesting fact: Here in Arabia, there is, in average, 1 Mosque for each 800 people. So maybe we will see in the next years around 20 new mosques in Poland.

There's one chap in Poznan that used to post on here, lovely guy :)


Hahaha. Levi, Fidesz backtracked on that decision almost instantly.


Except they'll be legal. Poor you.


No big deal.

Your math is wrong. If you apply the ratio that you claim, Poland would have 47,500 mosques (1 mosque per 800 people x 38 million). I guess you will call your Saudi friends and ask them for a lot of money then.

Both from the third world, but the refugees from nearer and from a closer and more established culture. No wonder Levi feels threatened.


Nothing wrong with that.

Very good news. there was never a chance that it wasn't going to happen, especially with the EU paying 75% of the cost and now this extra money, but very good that Poland is doing the right and most compassionate thing for these people who are having such a bad time that they can't stay in their own homes - where most of us would generally be.

Welcome new Poles!

"Except they'll be legal. Poor you."

I an already an immigrant. A legal one. And to almost any country that i want to go after here i will also be able to go legally.

Differently from Illegal immigrants that doesn't want to abide the law and learn skills to help their countries, i took care of my career.

"Your math is wrong. If you apply the ratio that you claim, Poland would have 47,500 mosques (1 mosque per 800 people x 38 million)."

I was talking about Muslim Immigrants, i was not talking about all the Population of Poland, even because the Poles are not Muslims. And even you trying to convert 38 millions of Poles to Islam, you will fail. Sorry for say that about your dawah.

"No wonder Levi feels threatened."

Why me (considering that you are calling me Levi for some weird reason) would be threatened by Illegal Immigrants that will live using European Welfare?

Differently than then, i have both the skills and financial ways to have a visa. That is what happens when you study and work hard instead of try to break the law entering in a country illegaly.

And you know nothing about my culture, Jon. Probably my culture (South-Brazilian) is much more developed than your Turkish culture one.

Well 2000 of them are going in at least and they become legal.

"Nothing wrong with that."

Nothing wrong with 20 news mosques in Poland.

But everything wrong with few churches more in your Turkey.

Interesting.

But makes sense, the radical islam preacher Bilal Philips justified your way of thinking saying that makes sense European countries be obliged to build mosques while Islamic countries forbid or avoid church building since churches are "a vehicle of a false religion - christianity" while mosques "spread the truth religion - Islam"

"2000 are coming (for a start of course, wink wink) and that is that. You can sulk and troll your heart out and it won't change a thing."

Not 2000.

16 Thoousand illegals, at least. In the next 3 years.

Honestly, my syrian friend, you can be happy that finally you will have more mosques in Poland. But i am not concerned by myself. If Poland turn into a Beyrouth, with christian churches burning and being looted or desacrated to Mosques, i can move to another country.

I am not sad by myself. I am sad by the ordinary pole that will not be able to leave the country once that happens.

And i understand perfectly that you are happy with that. By your posts here it i very clear that this is exactly what you want.

Room for more. 2000 however are the number of refugees coming under the current scheme.


Wise, since you can't move to Poland in the first place being illegal and all that.


Why wouldn't a Pole be able to leave the country 'once that happens'?

Oh la la. You moved from saying you know more Syrians than I will ever know to referring to me as that? What happened?

I mentioned elsewhere, several times, I am not a Muslim. Nothing disturbs me more than waking up to the sound of "Azan" at 4am (actually almost all my Muslims friend feel equally disturbed by that).

And don't worry, if someone here in Poland tries to loot Christian Churches or any other places of worship I will be first inline to defend these places. We have freedom of faith here in Poland. This freedom is sacred to us and it is protected by constitution. We will defend that from all extremists, including yourself.

"Wise, since you can't move to Poland in the first place being illegal and all that"

I am not illegal, differently than your friends from Somalia. You don't know me so put your foot back in your mouth.

"Why wouldn't a Pole be able to leave the country 'once that happens'?"

Explaining better (or prefer me to draw?): When the Palestinian "refugees" arrived in Lebanon, after few years they took over the country and started to kick out the native christian population that lived there for 2 thousand years.

The few rich christians could escape the country with their possessions (majority of those went to Brazil, where they formed the current political elite), but the majority of the christians in lebanon, the middle class ones, couldnt escape (or needed to leave everything behind to be looted by the palestinians). So then they needed to submit and see their churches burned or converte to mosques.

That is why i said that i feel pity for the middle class Poles that will not be able to leave the counttry with his possessions when the same happens in Poland.

I read somewhere that even though some illegal immigrants will be "taken in" by Poland, chances are high that they will treat Poland as a transit country, and will try to make their way to Western Europe at some point. Therefore, probably many will not stay. Calling them "new Poles" is quite a stretch. There are many economic immigrants who are really looking for jobs; how would they find work in Poland without knowing the language (which is not that easy to learn anyway)? They certainly will not get the level of social assistance they get in parts of Western Europe.

Also why is there an assumption that all of them are Muslim. Recently Belgium evacuated Syrian Christians, and I know there was a similar attempt by Poland to bring some Christian families. The migrants from Eritrea could also be either Muslim or Christian. According to statistics I read, Eritrea appears to be half Muslim and half Christian (Orthodox largely). If this breakdown is reflected in the migrant population, that some Eritreans migrants could be Christian.

However, I tend to agree with a few people here. Migrants who are devout Muslims will not fit in Poland in my mind. Secular people (who might have a Muslim background) could fit in. I think it's a fallacy to think that all Muslims must go to the mosque or necessarily follow their religion (it's the same thing with secular Christians not necessarily going to church).

There will ultimately be a mix of both - at the moment the people are in such distress that their priority is food, shelter, medical treatment and education for their kids. Most will doubtless settle and acquire the language.


Don't be silly.


So you have a legal right to live in Poland? Come off it, Levi.

To date Poland has been largely a transit country for refugees and illegal immigrants since it borders wealthy united Germany. That is likely to continue until such time as Poland achieves a level of affluence at least roughly comparable to that of the West. It has been a destination to a few groups notably Vietnamese and Ukrianians, although also among them some are covetously eyeing Poland's western frontier.

"Don't be silly."

Why silly?

Before the Muslim takeover of Lebanon, some christians (the armenians mainly) also tought that this would never happen. And then the country was destroyed and christians were anhilated.

All that started exactly in the same way as Poland, the only difference is that in Poland will be Somali "refugees" , in Lebanon were palestinian "refugees"

"So you have a legal right to live in Poland? "

I Don't live in Poland, but if i want, 50 thousand euros is the amount needed to open a business and have residency visa
We both know that this is peanuts.

Poland is to accept a couple of thousands of refugees. Where will / should they be located? There are progressive voices that the EU should build a bridge between Africa and Europe so that it's easier for refugees to be transported to the European land. Thoughts?


abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/poland-accept-2000-refugees-part-eu-plan-32350358

Are there? Do tell.

Good news !!!

A bridge is the next logical step. Too many refugees try to get to Europe but die during transportation.

Stop burbling on about places in the Middle East - very different circumstances (like the artificial creation of a country by the French in the Twentieth Century and a brutal civil war) apply. Plus a complicated border issue and a much smaller population. Poland is very different.

The arrival of the refugees is a simple act of decency (and gratitude to the world, since millions of Poles over the years have been given asylum as refugees) and will be a very positive thing.


So in fact you don't, and are jealous of the 2000 people who very soon will.

Ramadan Kareem!

It will be interesting to see if Poland has any civil unrest due to the incoming new people's !!

I agree that Poland is in a different situation that Lebanon.

However, I tend to think that there is a limit to diversity. In the middle ages, Poland united with Lithuania was probably one of the largest countries in Europe. It was also a highly diverse country with different ethnic groups (some were native to where they lived and some were migrants). Eventually Poland lost independence and was partitioned. While there were various factors that led to this, I tend to think that having a country with so many ethnic groups did not help in keeping the country together.

If Poland becomes a destination to immigrants, hopefully the country will have policies in place that manage better who gets in and who will fit in and contribute positively to the country. Obviously similar (or compatible) culture and religion (actually also secular outlook) is a definite plus.

One thing about Poland is that it did not have colonies in Africa, Middle East, Americas, or Asia. The guilt trip that some people (from developing countries) lay on Western European countries (who had colonies) will just not work in Poland. If you want to live in Poland, you have to adapt and accept the local culture. I don't find anything controversial in that statement (and I tend to have liberal views on some topics).

by the God, to put cross on myself, i agree with you here.

If you think that 'fact' has any bearing whatsoever on Poland, Levi, then you are truly deluded.


Switzerland of course having existed as a state (an a multicultural one) for centuries, and the Lebanon as a political entity for a few decades.


Only good things.

Ramadan Kareem!

and future German, English and French :-)

Levi,
I understand your point. Poland is in a different neighbourhood. Lebanon borders Syria and Israel. All the past conflicts in Israel have contributed to the ethnic and religious changes in Lebanon. Obviously the conflict in Syria is affecting Lebanon too. Countries with huge numbers of migrants or refugees tend to border conflict zones (aren't there around 2 million Syrians in Turkey for example?) so there is no surprise about Lebanon.

In Poland, it's highly likely there will be more Ukrainians (than now), but this is OK, since Poles and Ukrainians have similar culture and Ukrainians can acquire Polish fairly easily (I think). I don't see huge numbers from other regions. There is a sizeable Vietnamese community; I generally have very positive feelings about the Vietnamese. I don't have much to comment about any other minorities since I don't know too much about them.

Interesting comment about Japan... Japanese culture is very interesting, and there are some great blogs about it that I read. One observation about Japan is although, on the surface they appear with little diversity, there are aspects of the Japanese culture that absorb and assimilate outside influences -- (e.g. in Japanese, there is a separate writing system for foreign words and names: Katakana... native belief system to Japan is Shinto but there is strong Buddhist presence). I think Japan is quite successful not only technologically but also in exporting their own culture whether they try or not (I mean lots of people love sushi, and Anime, Japanese-style cartoons have a following -- just two examples). Obviously not everything is perfect in Japan (and I have heard of hostilities between the Japanese and Koreans or the Chinese).

sorry, I made a mistake in the name... I don't see a Levi here. Not quite sure why I wrote this nickname (it must have read one of the comments wrong).

Y12, very good comments.

Fact is, while the left wing calls for the destruction of the Polish culture and try to convince the poles to reject their own culture and religion, in Japan the midia enforces the Japanese culture and their way of life.

That is what makes me be a bit pessimist about the future of Poland as a country.

Maybe will become Polandistan and Warsaw will be Warsaristan. I dont know, i prefer to not think about such tragic future.

By the way, i dont know why Jon and Polsyr are so obsessed by me that they call everyone Levi. Good that they didnt saw my pic or they would be even more attracted.

Hopefully! Though Poland is a developing market for small businesses so perhaps there'll be migration by slightly more established immigrants, especially from Pakistan via Britain, into Poland. With any luck.