Poland - Serbia etc. thread

We can all see your hatred.
That is all there is.
Nothing more.

Miloslaw. When Nazis, mujaheedines and new-world-order schemes comes for you, you shall remind yourself of all stupidity you spoke on this forum.

But they won't.
Because they are all in your fertile imagination.

@Joker

This is a great example of how anti-Serbian propaganda was spread through most of the mainstream media networks in the West such as CNN, BBC, NBC, CNBC, FOX, CBS etc during the reign of terror of the Democrat Neo-Liberals scumbags. This is why we have today singleminded characters such as Miloslaw & Dougpol1. I can't believe that you count yourself in this group. The other two are pretty much hopeless cases, they have been completely and utterly brainwashed by the propaganda machine of the Democrat Neo-Liberals.

youtu.be/VO66_d8i4kw

Biden's son calls Serbs "thugs"

ana-neurosurgery.com/biden-brain-cancer/

Karma is a bit@h. There is a God after all. He sees everything, he hears everything and everyone in the end will get what they deserve, in due course.

When Crow rants on with his manifesto type posts, its scares more and more ppl off about Serbia. I wouldn't want to go near this psychopathic country now!

He doesnt even realize that hes doing more damage than helping his cause...lol


Well, even a broken clock is correct twice a day:)


Paranoia runs deep in fantasyland:)

Yes, it was Serbian mistake they didn`t bring more snipers to kill civilians in Sarajevo, didn`t rape enough Muslim women, didn`t create more concentration camps for Bosniak peasants who didn`t feel Serbian enough. Those concentration camps later proved death camps for many Bosniak prisoners.

United Nations` delegate to bring peace to Bosnia, Polish politician, Mazowiecki, visited these camps and was horrified.

Pawian, you have to be careful when resorting to sarcasm. Being a perfect gentleman - that was not sarcasm - some here may misjudge your intentions. Being sarcastic is best left to the known nasties like me.

youtu.be/Gy7qQTgzyOw

British Lord Sir David Owen a major critic of the Bosnian Serbs, an envoy of the European Union, replaced Lord Carrington in 1992 but soon learned the truth about Muslim tricks and propaganda machinery.

youtu.be/PVu86CeatP4

youtu.be/F_e4LAXwifg

The Carrington-Cutileiro peace plan, named for its authors British Lord Carrington and Portuguese ambassador Jorge Cutileiro, known as the Lisbon Agreement resulted from the EC Peace Conference held in February 1992 in an last ditch attempt by the European Community to prevent Bosnia-Herzegovina sliding into war. It proposed ethnic power-sharing on all administrative levels and the devolution of central government to local ethnic communities. However, all Bosnia-Herzegovina's districts would be classified as Muslim, Serb or Croat under the plan, even where no ethnic majority was evident. Initially the plan was accepted by all three sides (Bosnian Muslim government, Bosnian Serbs and Bosnian Croats), but Bosnian Muslim leader Alija Izetbegović withdrew his signature from the deal after he was told by the US Ambassador Warren Zimmerman: "Why sign something if you are not happy with it? USA (the worlds only superpower at that time) pledges to support you and the Muslims to assume control over 100% territory of Bosnia".

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Zimmermann

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_plans_proposed_before_and_during_the_Bosnian_War#Carrington%E2%80%93Cutileiro_plan

You state that Vatican isn`t able to act as sponsor to Nazis or mujaheedines against non-Catholics or even against Catholics when it suits to Vatican`s interests?

You guaranty that Vatican won`t do that to Poland?

@Tacitus & Pawian

youtu.be/3M7ukELqgfw

And here is a little history lesson for the both of you. Because you cannot understand events from the 90's without knowing what happened previously in this region during WWII. They are interconnected. History doesn't start from 1991.

@Crow

While true that the Vatican has never officially apologised for the crimes committed during WWII against Serbian people and for the forced conversions, it is currently not as powerful as it used to be as it also finds itself under attack by the mainstream media and the current Pope is in the service of Globalists.

So in this moment the Vatican should not be in the priority of your concerns, as there are much more powerful and sinister organizations currently at work.

youtu.be/YDxUzrepLSM

@Crnogorac3

Typical Serbian apologetic propaganda. What the Croatians did during WWII has no relevance for the break-up of Yugoslavia almost 5 decades.

All that mattered was that the opressed people in Croatia did not longer wish to be part of Yugoslavia and there was simply no good reason to deny it to them.

This is evident by the fact that all Serbian nationalists can bring up to their defence is "But the Croats commited atrocities in WWII". Nvm that they commited many atrocities later on.

As always from these Serbian revisionists.
The Serbs made a huge mistake,for which they are still paying for and will continue to pay for for decades.
They mistook Serbia,or "Greater Serbia" for Yugoslavia.
Only Tito was capable of holding Yugoslavia together.
"Greater Serbia" will never be allowed to happen.

Yes, their biggest mistake was the Bosnian War, as well as the mess they got into with Republika Srpska Krajina (in Croatia). Had they secured Kosovo, Vojvodina, Konavle (SE of Dubrovnik - beautiful area) and the territory known as Eastern Slavonia, Baranja and Western Syrmia in the NE corner of Croatia, they could have simply used the JNA (Yugoslav Army) to prevent Bosnian independence from actually taking place. The Constitution of the then Republic of Bosnia-Hercegovina required consent from all three ethnic groups before the status of the Republic could change, after all.

The problem was that they had no real idea what they were doing. The JNA leadership got cold feet after the attacks on Vukovar and Dubrovnik, and Milosevic seemed to never make up his mind as to what they wanted to do with the territories in Croatia and Bosnia-Hercegovina. Serbia gave a hell of a lot for those wars, and got almost nothing in return.

I understand why the Serbs in Croatia acted the way they did in 1990 with the Log Revolution, but Milosevic should have told the Knin Serbs that they wouldn't get support from the beginning. Instead, they were left in a difficult and awkward situation where they were being encouraged by Milosevic without any real tangible support.

As you say, they're still paying for it and will pay for it for decades. It was a massive blunder, all done so that the Communists in Serbia could maintain their position.

I still kick myself for not buying (the one time I saw it) a book claiming that the ex-yugo wars were essentially proto-capitalist* turf wars carried out by cynics who used ethnic politics as a cover for their purely monetary struggles. I don't know if it was right but most of the evidence I have seen points in that direction (crow of course represents a rank and file mark fooled by the rhetoric designed to make the rich richer and him poorer)

*the stage just before dziki kapitalizm (aka savage capitalism....)

I think there's some truth to it. Slovenia was always Western and trade orientated, even during Tito's era. I don't remember the year, but I saw one figure that suggested that their GDP was around 184% of the national average, and that the average would have been even lower if it wasn't for the strategic decision to locate a significant amount of defence industries in SR Bosnia-Hercegovina. Croatia on the other hand was gaining huge amounts of cash from tourism, and both of them heavily resented the fiscal transfers to places like Kosovo, especially as the cash was mostly wasted on vanity projects.

Serbia in particular was in trouble when both Slovenia and Croatia made it clear that they were going to withhold transfers to the central government in Belgrade unless there was meaningful reform of the state, and I'd argue (backed up by what the JNA was actually doing in 1990/1991) that the plan of the Serbian leadership was to use the Serb domination of the army to reform Yugoslavia as a centralist state. The Army enjoyed almost mythical status in Yugoslavia, and it was obvious that they were very unhappy about the democratisation of Yugoslavia, as it was always going to lead to a loss in their position. It's backed up by the way that Slovenia and Croatia both established parallel military structures in 1990, and also in the way that Serbia took much longer to hold "democratic" elections in 1990, which were the only republic-level elections to be won by the Communists (masquerading as if I remember correctly.

It's worth pointing out that in both Croatia and Serbia, political cronies seized huge parts of the economy for themselves. Croatia had one of the most unbelievably corrupt privatisation processes, and Serbian businesses were wrecked by them being used to fund Milosevic's games. So, for sure, they were using ethnic politics to seize control - in different ways, but still the same thing.

I do think Yugoslavia could have been saved, but with both Tudjman and Milosevic using nationalism to cover up their games, it was a lost cause. The West does deserve some blame for fanning the flames though, particularly with the recognition of Croatian independence through the stubborn insistence of Germany when other EEC countries were hesitant. I think there was a general attitude on the part of the EEC that Yugoslavia could be encouraged to stay together with the carrot of EEC membership dangling in front of them, but that it was wrecked by the German push to recognise Croatia.

What could have been done differently? It's hard to say, because Yugoslavia was in such a financial mess that it was going to be nearly impossible to get out of it with the structure that they had.

Fun fact - the Kosovo national library consistently ranks as one od the ugliest building in the world


It wasn't just them two. Every country wanted to be independent and seperate. Even Montenegro eventually split. If anything the serbs wanted to hold everyone together only problem is they wanted to still rule over everyone and not negotiate power sharing.

Hey Crowie,

Have you heard the news yet, about Blago?

Trump said he's going to commute his sentence and rumor in Chicago is he's getting out of prison soon.

I kind of like Blago, he was a horrible politician and not very bright, but entertaining to say the least:)

youtu.be/wf9X6C0c-70

I got this thing and its F^&(%$ Golden! LOLOL

Not immediately... the way it fell apart was a slow motion train wreck rather than a drive off a cliff (like the USSR being split from one day to the next)

And the majority will to separate only became ignited once Milosevic began his crazy nationalism and serb-supremism agenda. That's what convinced people who didn't mind living in Yugoslavia that independence might be a good option...

What do you call this then:

youtu.be/AoMyTltK_Z4

dr. Franjo Tudjman - Savior of the Croats (Propaganda)

would his craziness even have been possible without milosevic paving the way?

Don`t teach me the history of Serbian suffering during WW2 because I had learnt it earlier than you. I remember about Serbian WW2 losses from school history class - they were second high after Polish losses.

However, it was 70 years ago. Yesterday`s victims turned into today`s murderers. Serbs, to avoid being slaughtered like during WW2, started slaughtering their enemies and cleansing the area for Great Serbia . You can`t deny facts -Serbs committed horrible crimes and their previous WW2 merits became useless because nobody wants to remember WW2 but everybody remembers Srebrenica, concentration camps and mass rapes.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Sarajevo

Bosnian Serb and JNA troops overwhelmed the poorly equipped and unprepared Bosnian security forces to take control of large areas of Bosnian territory, beginning with attacks on Bosniak civilians in the east. Serb military, police and paramilitary forces attacked towns and villages and then, sometimes assisted by local Serb residents, applied what soon became their standard operating procedure: Bosniak houses and apartments were systematically ransacked or burned; civilians were rounded up, some beaten or killed; and men were separated from the women.

telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/1433853/The-Pope-says-sorry-for-Friar-Satan.html

Polish Pope John Paul II did apologize in Banja Luka for the worst of the lot that Franciscan Friar Miroslav Filipović-Majstorović who came to be known as 'Fra Sotona' ('Brother Satan').

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miroslav_Filipovi%C4%87

balkaninsight.com/2018/08/27/croatia-must-not-whitewash-the-horrors-of-jasenovac-08-27-2018/

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glina_massacres

The Ustaše were only the executioners but the real mastermind behind these atrocities was Pope Pious XII.

You are a good man, after all, predobri brate Joker.

Good bless you for this news. Blago is naive politician but good soul.

Serbian diplomacy

Michael Carpenter, a former US Department of Defense official responsible for Russia, Eurasia, and the Balkans, said that the Serbian Foreign Minister Ivica Dacic plans to intervene in the US domestic politics by inviting Serbs in America to vote for Donald Trump in the 2020 elections.

Reply of Serbian FM Dacic to Carpenter > "When Jews vote for Trump, that's not interference or Albanians voting for Clintons"

@Crow

twitter.com/mikercarpenter/status/1159087009853579265

Michael Carpenter is an advisor of Joe Biden and works for the Democrats. What his son Beau Biden said about Serbs when he called the entire nation during the war as "Serbian Thugs" we remember very well. So for anyone with a working brain the choice for the 650,000 Serbian Americans for the 2020 election I think is obvious.

youtu.be/Rf2OfoOKzKM

Still afraid of Donald Trump?

I knew that Trump ending USA collaboration with mujaheedines, nazis and schemes of colonial powers. Trump returning dignity and mission to USA. He actually pledge to set USA as first power among equal powers, in a new world order of Multi-Polar world.

That is why Trump supports Serbia. He knows that Serbs endured great injustice and that Serbia itself greatly contributed in fight for better humanity.

Trump couldn't even find Serbia on a map of Europe.
He doesn't give a tinkers cuss for your tiny, violent, racist little country.
And rightly so.

All he would have to do is ask Alexia.
Alexa, where is Serbia on the map ?
North of Greece, South of Poland, East of Italy and West of the Black Sea.
Now Milo, can you show us where Bali is on the map without googling it first ? HA !

Trump once though the Baltic states were in the Balkans, so he'd probably struggle to find Serbia.

Or Montana.
That was a twofer. Insulting Serbia and Trump in one sentence. I have to practice this skill some more...


You mean those three countries the size of Cook County in Illinois with zero significance to anyone?

Obama once thought the US is a racist country. I will take Trump's Baltic states problem every day.

BTW, I spent one third of my life within spitting distance to at least one of them and didn't know which one until this minute when I looked at the map.

It's Lithuania. Wow. Now I am a geography genius.