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Rich Mazur
20 Nov 2018  #91

I will probably get another warning for this, but I can't resist it.
One day, I was in the car with my then 2-year-old granddaughter. When she was done singing a song, I asked her if she could teach me how to sing it.

Her reply was: "No, I will not because I don't like you." Your post #317 is below her level.
Also, she covered only one subject. You mentioned 9 countries, Jews and the Bible in one post in a thread about Serbia, and I am ruining this forum?

Joker
20 Nov 2018  #92

Are you aware that you ruining forum?

If anyone is ruining this forum its YOU!

Were sick and tired of your grandiose fantasies about Serbia. Go find a Serbian forum, if you can find one that you haven't been banned from already?

Crow
20 Nov 2018  #93

Both of you. Pray to St. Jadwiga. Maybe She can help.

Rich Mazur
20 Nov 2018  #94

She should pray to me. I am a lot smarter.

Crow
21 Nov 2018  #95

My only concern is that I think we shouldn't include Austria in this project cause they may become a trojan horse

Just yesterday, Serbian FM Dacici commented how he was shocked to learn that money of official Austria stays behind building Muslim mosques in Serbia`s Capital Belgrade. The day before that Bosnian president, ethnic Serb, accused Austrian ambassador in Bosnia of meddling in internal affairs of the country.

Today, I was reading that Hungarian Orban accused Croatia of betrayal of common interests exactly over the common energy projects.

What I want to tell you man, what you talking about- is it possible that official Poland tries to escape to Germany by relying on German satellites such are Austria and Croatia??? Wtf? No, don`t delude yourself. Official Poland, Duda, don`t wish to escape to Germany.

Torq
22 Nov 2018  #96

I feel shame because of German crimes on Poles, because you Germans originate from Serbs. (...) They were Serbs. (...) crimes are crimes. So I apologized.

Yes, but you see Crow, it's all good and well to say "I'm sorry"; sure enough it's a proper first step, but then there remains the question of war reparations. I hope Serbia, feeling responsibility for those nazi germanized Serbs, will participate in paying those hefty reparations.

Crow
22 Nov 2018  #97

Forget it. I talked about it with myself already, believe me. Thought on `those hefty reparations` incited in me deeper moral dilemmas. See, while today`s Germans stooped to be Serbs approximately some 500-1000 years ago, Poles themselves stooped to be Serbs some 1000-1500 years ago. So, in my third eye all that looks like some bloody Civil War. Just hope that Germans don`t come to same conclusion before they pay remaining war reparations to Poland. Who knows, they may tell to Poland how Poland needs to pay reparations to itself.

Bratwurst Boy
22 Nov 2018  #98

I hope Serbia, feeling responsibility for those nazi germanized Serbs, will participate in paying those hefty reparations.

Heh:) Yeah!

So, in my third eye all that looks like some bloody Civil War.

Agree with you here, Crowie! In a globalized world all wars between Europeans are civil wars...

Crow
22 Nov 2018  #99

If somebody wants to unite Europeans he will want Belgrade to be Capital. We Serbs will humble accept that responsibility, as last bearers of Sarmatian name and most definitely inhabitants of old core of Sarmatia, ie West.

Actually, if future united Europe, in some vastness of time become parliamentary monarchy, Summer Royal Palace in Belgrade and Winter Palace in Dresden. That`ll do it.

That if somebody wants to give real truth to Europeans and unite them around common history, tradition, heritage and fundamental linguistic continuity. In such a Europe religious differences becoming irrelevant and thing that depend solely on local level.

Sarmatija je mama. Ancestors are for respect.

Ziemowit
22 Nov 2018  #100

If you want to apologize for anything, apologize for the recent Serbian crimes.

You, people of the "rotten" West, have always been so keen to play down your own crimes and instead pointing your fingers at others, mostly the Eastern Europe and the Slavs. The best example of it is that pathetic tendency of blaming Gavrilo Princip for the outbreak of the Warld War First which is totally ridiculous . Also, you people of the Western world conveniently tend to forget the colonial crimes carried out in lands that the West have subjugated under the pretext of bringing "civilization" to them. The most notable example of that are Belgian atrocities commited in Congo, a colony which was declared private possesion of king Leopold II of Belgium. Those crimes which had only begun to be known to public some time before the WWI, have then been conveniently forgotten ever since.

Another story of hideous crimes committed against humanity by the "rotten" West is the story of German crimes in Namibia, Germany's former colony in Africa. Namibia has been having talks with Germany on the compensation issue for these atrocities for three years now to no result whatsoever. Between 1904 and 1908, German colonists in Namibia expelled the Herero and Nama tribes right onto the desert where the army blocked them access to water sources killing everyone who tried to approach them. As a result, the number of Herero people decreased from 80,000 to 15,000 as most of them died of hunger and thirst. Those who remained alive were placed in labor camps. They were forced to work hard on building a railway line, and the German colonists made numerous murders and rapes on them. Prisoners who could not work were placed on the so-called Shark Island which was one of the first death camps in the world. In addition, German physicians ran racial medical examinations on survivors. Researchers analyzed 778 heads cut off to prisoners, which served them for pseudo-scientific studies on the theory of race.

Crow
22 Nov 2018  #101

In the meanwhile, we are at the edge of war with ISIS in the heart of Europe. Shquiptar (Albanian) terrorist formations are in the move. Pictures like when Nazis were burning Jewish books, all over Kosovo right now could be seen. Nazi-Islam challenging Serbia.

I hope we stop monsters now! And we incite great fear in all Slavic enemies

Tacitus
22 Nov 2018  #102

The best example of it is that pathetic tendency of blaming Gavrilo Princip for the outbreak of the Warld Wa

A tendency that exists in which way exactly? Gavrilo was simply a murderer who provided those who wanted a war with a convenient excuse to do so. WWI might have happened without his involvement down the line.

Namibia has been having talks with Germany on the compensation issue for these atrocities for three years now to no result whatsoever.

That is mostly the fault of the Namibian government though. Germany has offered an official apology aand compensation, but the Herero do not feel represented by their government and cling to completely unrealistic demands. Germany will down the line issue aan apology and pay compensation, that much is certain. In the meantime those crimes have been acknowledged in Germany and have been publically debated.

So this in no way excuses how Serbia is refusing to acknowledges its' crimes during the 90s.

Dirk diggler
23 Nov 2018  #103

500k serbs most certainly dont live in chicago... the largest European group is irish, then german, then poles. poles are the only group though where a significant portion still speak the language and were born in europe. you wont find many Italians or germans or Irish that were born there and speak the language, but with poles you do. polish is the third most spoken language in chicago after english and spanish. you go to any government building and theres documents in polish, polish translators etc. about 7% of chicago are poles but if you included metro area itd probably be double since so many poles moved out to the suburbs after all the hispanics started coming into traditionally polish/italian/irish neighborhoods

Joker
23 Nov 2018  #104

500k serbs most certainly dont live in chicago... the largest European group is irish, then german, then poles

Yes, spoken by someone that might actually live here instead of some lunatic 5000 miles away! The Irish and Germans built Chicago, its common knowledge. If any other population is noticeably increasing it would be the latinos.

What Crow is trying to push is just pure fantasy.

The current Democratic machine as we all know it was formed In Chicago many years ago, of course, beginning with Mayor Richard J. Daley (Boss) from 1955 to 1976

amazon.com/Boss-Richard-J-Daley-Chicago/dp/0452261678

Read this book if you want to learn from the Democratic Yoda

Then his son became Mayor Richard M. Daley 1989-2011

The current mayor Rahm Emanual ( former Obongo chief of staff) came here and stole an election, turned Chicago into a sanctuary city and it has become the murder capitol of the USA!

Now, with the extreme failures of Emanuals poor decisions and btw who isnt running for re-election is clearing the path for.......

Bill Daley! Another chief of staff for Obongo, and yes, another son of the BOSS!

My point is.....Serbs dont rule and never will rule Chicago! The Irish do! Its pure fiction what Crow says! LOL

Crow
23 Nov 2018  #105

on The Battle of Cer: The First Allied Victory in the Great War

In a report on defeat of the Austro-Hungarian army, an Austrian journalist Ervin Kish wrote: ``The army has been defeated and has found itself in a wild, reckless and panicky run. A defeated army - No! -abroken mob, rushing in a mindless terror towards the border..... Those Serbs, they're great guys, they know how to defend their country.``

Joker
23 Nov 2018  #106

Hey, explain this?

cbsnews.com/news/bakari-henderson-trial-greece-cleared-murder-6-sentenced-assault-beating-death-american

Serbians are murdering scum, nothing has changed within these savages!

mafketis
23 Nov 2018  #107

WWI might have happened without his involvement down the line.

For sure something was going to happen, but another spark might have led to a small fire rather than all consuming conflagration brought forth by the shame of Serbia (assuming that Serbia is capable of shame, which.... no, probably not)

Crow
23 Nov 2018  #108

German Marshal August von Mackensen in speech to his army before troops departed in aid to Austria, for the Serbian front in autumn of 1915. >

``You are not going to Italian, Russian, or French front. You are .............. going to the Serbian front, to Serbia, and Serbs are the people who love their freedom and who are willing to fight for it to their last.``.

Winston Churchill, The Great War I >

``The Serbians, seasoned, war-hardened men, inspired by the fiercest patriotism, the result of generations of torment and struggle, awaited undaunted whatever fate might bestow.``

Woodrow Wilson, US President, The White House, July, 1918. at the day when US President Wilson gave the order for Serbian flag to be raised above the White House, first foreign flag ever that beside American flown over White House >

``...Serbia has so nobly fought and suffered ... so heroically resisted the aims of the Germanic nations to master the world.``

French General Franchet d'Espérey, Commander-in-Chief of the Allied Forces in the Balkans, On September 13 1918; when sent urgent telegraph to his counterpart in the Serbian Army, General Stepanovic >

``General, please ask the Serbian infantry to slow down, the French cavalry cannot keep up the pace!``


Tacitus
23 Nov 2018  #109

If anyone wants a more sober look at the role of Serbia in WWI, I recommend Christopher Clark's Sleepwalker. Even if you do not agree with his assesment regarding the outbreak of WWI, it is rather chilling to see how brutal and savage many celebrated Serbian "heroes" actually were.

Case in point, the brutal massacre (murder would be an euphemism) of the Serbian king and his wife at the beginning of his book (killing innocent woman was apparantly something the brave Serbs were very good at).

Bratwurst Boy
23 Nov 2018  #110

Christopher Clark's Sleepwalker.

I've heard of it....is it worth it?

Tacitus
23 Nov 2018  #111

It is very well written and gives a good introduction to people who want to learn more about the topic. Though one must keep in mind that Clark has been criticized for downplaying parts that underline Germamy's responsibility. Thougv again it has been well received by academics.

Honestly the first chapter about Serbia was really brutal. And based entirely on the historical evidence (e.g. the murder of the Serbian king). Serbia was de facto a rogue state back then, not unlile the 90s.

Bratwurst Boy
23 Nov 2018  #112

Thanks...I will look into it...

Crow
23 Nov 2018  #113

Wurste, you can but I suggest you not to waste your tme on that unbalanced text. It would be as if you seek to learn about events of former Yugoslavia and you read article of CNN or BBC, which in the beginning of text underline connection between Serbs and Russians, while absolutely fails to underline connection between Serbs and Poles or Czechs, etc Slavs. In reality, Serbian royalty aren`t more or less cruel then for example British royalty. Still, probably, less.

Listen, text won`t give you info on this but, Tacitsu refers to dynastic frictions between Obrenovic and Djordjevic (Karadjordjevic) nobility. It here went in history as so called war of `White and Red Roses`. Founder (Milos) of Obrenovic dynasty was godfather to the founder (Djordje) of Karadjordjevic dynasty. Then, in fear from Turkish retribution after 1st Serbian uprising against Ottomans, Milos Obrenovic betrayed his godfather Djordje (Karadjordje- Turks gave him that `Kara` in Turkish `black` because Djordje was slayer of the Turks) and during one night sent his man to kill him with axe, behead him and deliver his head to the Turks. Descendants of Karadjordje then sworn themselves to exterminate Obrenovic dynasty in revenge, which they finally did 100 years later, in Coup`d`etat organized by Petar I Karadjordjevic in support of Polish Prince Czartorisky that was heavily involved with Serbs on advice of Adam Mickiewich, as I already mention that in this thread. Karadjordjvic dynasty and Polish patriots made alliance to fight against Germanics and to prevent Russian domination over other Slavs. Interestingly, official Russia tolerated this deal and Coup`d`etat happened with consent of Russia. Naturally, Obrenobvic dynasty was pro Austrian.

Anyway, more quotes from strangers about Serbs >

removed

``Sixty two thousand of the Serb soldiers decided the war. SHAME!``

General d'Espérey >

Only the Serb troops don't need any supplies - they are rushing forward like a blizzard

August von Mackensen >

excessive

"Few soldiers fought like the Serbian soldier did. He died where he had been ordered to stand his ground."


Miloslaw
23 Nov 2018  #114

It all sounds like a terrible,unbelievable script from a really awful historical drama.....just pathetic!
Give up mate,go home,eat some nice food and have a drink or two in good company......your obsession might pass....

Joker
24 Nov 2018  #115

It all sounds like a terrible,unbelievable script from a really awful historical drama.....just pathetic!

Copied and pasted or someone is helping this illiterate genius. It reads more like a lunatics manifesto, but nothing new going on here.

Isnt there an excessive quote rule as well?

Bratwurst Boy
24 Nov 2018  #116

It here went in history as so called war of `White and Red Roses`.

Crowie, yours is a wild, wild country....

Crow
24 Nov 2018  #117

Wurste, can you even imagine country in Europe that openly have independent policy and propagate political view in total opposition to that of German, Austrian and British and French states. Can you imagine European country that openly criticize their colonial policy on Slavs in Eastern Europe, peoples outside of Europe. Then, when western Europe and Austria, sometimes with aid of Vatican move to silence that country, aid to that country coming from Russia and now as we see from China, Japan, and other world centers.

See, that country is Serbia. And see, western European elite predicted this development. That existence of Serbian state and Serbs will threaten their domination. That is why western Europe in deal with Turks tried to prevent our independence.

few more quotes about Serbia >

Austrian general Alfred Krauss >

``...we have come to know Serbs as worthy enemies. I considered them, and I consider them still, the strongest of our enemies in the military sense. Undemanding, clever, cunning, .....``

German Emperor Wilhelm >

``It is a shame that this small nation is not my ally``

Czech author Erwin Kisch, corporal of the Eleventh Regiment of the Ninth Austro-Hungarian Division and participant in the Battle of Kolubara >

``It was only in Serbia in 1914 that I realised that the freedom of small nations is a force stronger than the violence of the great and powerful ones``

The Norwegian colonel Carsten Angel, 1915 >

``We arrived with little respect for Serbian soldiers, and we return full of admiration. We've seen a calm, confident, patriotic people. We have found the best soldiers in the world - brave, obedient, sober, resilient, willing to sacrifice``


Bratwurst Boy
24 Nov 2018  #118

That existence of Serbian state and Serbs will threaten their domination.

I very much doubt that....since the end of Yugoslavia Serbia is just a smallish power like so many others....to gain influence you should find and nurture alliances. But as I see it (from far away) Serbia has besides Russia nobody it feels close to...especially not it's neighbours.

To threaten anyones domination is difficult in such a weak position...

Your quotes are all from the last century...that also doesn't bode well for today's Serbia!

Crow
24 Nov 2018  #119

I very much doubt that...

Don`t doubt. Russia you see because its on surface. Simple, Russia is as world power able to openly offer support. But, same as Russia have its own interests that overlap with Serbian interests, Poles, Czechs and other Slavs also have their interests that overlap with Serbian interests. Actually, Russia is forced to tolerate Serbian deals with other Slavs, especially our deals with Poles, throughout history. Now, in Multi-Polar world we have deals with other world powers. Serbia is stronger and stronger and our capacity to oppose to Germanic hostility and any hastily only increases.

You heard how Serbian FM Ivica Dacic few days ago criticized Austria for cooperate with Saudis in building mosques in Serbian Capital Belgrade, criticize Austria for working with Albanian separatists against Serbia. Day later President of Bosnia, Serbian Milorad Dodik, also criticize Austria for meddling in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Yesterday, Dodik accused German Deutsche bank, for manipulation with Bosnian money deposits in Germany and loses in level of interest rates that those manipulations bringing to Bosnia. Bosnia is kind of German colony, said Dodik.

Far from it that Serbia is world power but, now already returning its status of regional power. You mentioned Serbia`s neighbors. But, look at development. Serbia have enormous economic results, stronger military and powerful diplomacy. Wondrous results. Bosnia is already oriented on Serbia, again. Within Croatia, you have regions that tries to defect from Croatia (Istra- solely Catholic region; they have separatist movement already) and have better and better relations with Serbia. Half of Macedonia is pro-Serbian oriented but regime was overthrown by EU. In respond Serbia bailed out pro-Serbian politician Gruevski, saved him and transported him to Hungary in joint effort of Hungarian and Serbian authorities. In Hungary Gruevski got political asile. See, Hungary prefer deals with Serbia over deals with EU. In Czech Republic, stance of politician to Serbia is electoral question. Already, Serbian influence grows in Bulgaria and Romania. In Crna Gora people is with Serbia and regime is controlled by EU and NATO. Polish and Serbian patriots have close contacts. Serbia improving relations with Vatican and Vatican didn`t recognize Kosovo. Serbia have perfect relations with Israel, India, Brazil, etc. Serbia lead Non-Aligned movement countries.

So, how I see that, Serbia is growing threat to Franco-Germanic and Anglo domination here and in entire Eastern Europe. But why western Europe simple ton`t attack Serbia again? Let me tell you. It would automatically lead in world conflict where will Russia and China directly military intervene on behalf of Serbia and most probably, we see by many signals, USA anyway wouldn`t take part in that conflict.

Your quotes are all from the last century...that also doesn't bode well for today's Serbia!

Its just reminder what is Serbia. We will come to modern time and interesting things from even deeper past. Step by step. Everything has its reasons, Nothing happens without reasons, my friend. I want you to give real picture, po prepare you to understand how was possible that EU enter in such a scandalous adventure with Goebbels style propaganda against Serbia, to finally justify open military intervention against Serbians. I won`t do this to convince you in anything. I will merely do something great for you, show how media of your own country failed to inform you what`s really going on in Europe. What will you then with information, is totally up to you

quotes on Serbia >

Robert Lansing, US Secretary of State about WWI >

"When the history of this war is written down, its most glorious chapter will bear the title SERBIA."

Field marshal Mackensen >

"I have an unusual admiration and love for Serbians. You are a heroic nation, full of honour and pride; a nation with a great and brilliant future."

Czech author Erwin Kisch >

"Only in Serbia did I understand Chateaubriand when he said that a relentless force - the will, overcomes everything, and that might's weakness is that it only believes in might."


Ironside
24 Nov 2018  #120

Its just reminder what is Serbia

You have a lot of delusions, just snap out of it. Serbia was never a power, not even a great power. Yugoslavia wasn't only Serbia but that it was a significant country in the Balkans. Serbia alone is just a small Balkan country and nothing else.

There is not even potential for something with the attitude you display here. You're high like a kite with your delusional nonsense but that has nothing to do with reality.

Stop it.

I;m sure no one at home or around you want to listen to your obsession hence you're venting here. Stop it!


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