Poland - Serbia etc. thread

Thank you and happy Easter to you too, BB! :)

People, happy Easter to all who celebrate. Even to fanatics.

Thank you for including me in your wishes, Crow!

I wish you happy Easter too. May the blessing of our Risen Lord Jesus Christ be with you and your family.

Thanks, man. Jesus blessed you and keeps you on the path of ancestors. I mean oldest ancestors, not those from A-H or rather find way to balance them.

A-H was great as a Catholic Empire in which all its nations could live together. You could travel from Pilsen to Mostar or from Insbruck to Lwów, without crossing all those silly borders. Prague, Vienna, Budapest, Cracow, Zagreb - all in one country. You could be both Polish patriot and faithful Kaiser und König subject - people back then weren't blinded by primitive, idiotic nationalism as they are now.

Your problem is that you attach too much importance to nationality or ethnicity - these things matter a little bit only here on this earth, but your faith and relation with God determines your faith in eternity. That's why religion is infinitely more important than nationality, so if you have a country, like Austria-Hungary, which under Catholic Emperor leads its people to greatness and eternal salvation, then what's not to love?

Today, the closest we can have to Austria-Hungary is V4 (Plus) and Germany, forming the New Central Europe (democratic, for the time being, but when we get stronger we can dispose of this nonsense and transform into Central European Empire).

And do you know who is going to be the avant-guarde of the new CEE? Yes, you're right - it's going to be us, Kaiser-und-König loyalists - the old guard! They think they destroyed Austria-Hungary? Ha, ha - the bastards need to think again.

Once again, Crow, I would like you to stand up and stand to attention for Das Kaiserlied...

youtu.be/06643umEJZg



Polish Uhlans (cavalry) of Austro-Hungarian imperial army, 1914

Who persecuted Christians. 'General' Haynau was the most notorious of them.

jstor.org/stable/25107344?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents

I wouldn't go as far as calling protestants Christian.

Sure, they posed to be just that, but as heretics and enemies of the One-and-Only, Holy, Roman and Apostolic Church they were treated without any special reverence (and rightly so!).

They would say the opposite.


Hahahaha!

It's all make-believe anyway.

Well, we will all eventually find out one day. :)

Allah will judge. I doubt she'll care which denomination people belong to.

Well, on Serbian front Uhlans en masse turned to Serbian side, together with Czech and Slovak regiments. They were of great help here.


Exactly. Plus persecuted everything Slavic.


That`s the good one. For Rome and Constantinople all are same, no ethnicity. Same as in Islam. That is I have Svetovid on right shoulder and Christ on the left. Just in case, not to lose myself.

Your Serbian history books again. *rolls eyes*


Yes, they persecuted Slavic people so much that they made a Pole the Prime Minister. :) They persecuted Slavs so much that Polish language and culture survived mainly thanks to the tolerant policies of A-H, as opposed to those of Prussia and Russia (only one letter difference in name, no difference in treatment of Poles).


Do you know what we say in Poland about such attitude? Panu Bogu świeczkę, a diabłu ogarek. :)

What does it matter what you in Poland says, when Vatican says that all who aren`t Catholics needs to die, while Slavic Catholics aren`t enough Catholics if they are Slavs.


A-H had open blessings from Vatican. Only that is the difference.

And bottom line is that it was not Russia who turned Poland into battlefield. Rome did it much before Russians even created Empire.

People would treat you more seriously if you didn't make such blatantly idiotic statements.

Sometimes I am THIS CLOSE to start discussing seriously with you, and then you write something like the sentence quoted above and I change my mind. Do you have any normal Serbian friends who could register on this forum and give us a less crazy view of Serbian history, politics and opinions? If so, please invite them here - I am very much interested in all things Serbian (my Slavic soul demands closer connection to Serbia), but you are a raving lunatic Crow (no offence).

And what is this Torq > This is doing of Vatican, don`t blame me >

Sons of Herod (genocide in independent state of Croatia WWII)

youtu.be/5r1JNnFjgag

Those are not normal things what my own ancestors experienced from ustashe behind whom was Vaican. You don`t do this to a humans.


Vatican done such a monstrous things to Serbs and Vatican is center of religion. This is exactly why is story of Jasenovac and reality of Serb-Croat thing unknown to many. Serbs were reluctant to speak of it more, because of good relations with Poland. To it exactly Vatican counted.

But, things can`t go on without truth. Without truth, Vatican and western Europe continuing their madness. So, Poles must face facts and deal with it. After all, reasons behind weakening of Serbs are same as those to weaken Poland. Meaning, Vatican works against Poland.

No. This is doing of Croat Nazis. Blaming Catholic Church for it is nonsensical. I might as well blame Russian Orthodox Church for Katyń.

Stop this nonsense, please.

Its not nonsense. Look at the video. Look other sources, before tell me I spread nonsense. I will also remind you that Pope Francis himself stooped process of canonization (turning into Saint) the WWII Cardinal of Croatia, Stepinac. Pope also consider Medjugorje Lady to be hoax (it is actually site where monks of Orthodox Church were slaughtered by ustashe).

Catholic clergy involvement with the Ustaše
> wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_clergy_involvement_with_the_Usta%C5%A1e


The Role of the Catholic Church in Yugoslavia's Holocaust
> churchandstate.org.uk/2015/12/the-role-of-the-catholic-church-in-yugoslavias-holocaust/



Vatican was aware of what happening to non-Catholic Serbs and cooperated heavily with regime in WWII Croatia. Vatican was behind formation of WWII Croatia, not German Nazis.


You and every man are free to tell whatever wants but, others will always judge what is truth. At a time when even Vatican changing its stance on Serbo-Croat question, if Poland is among Serbs recognized as stopper of justice for Serbs, as protector of Nazis within Vatican, do you really believe Poland can function as stable state with all what name of Serbs and Racowie means in Poland? What would Poland if all people who have at least a drop of Kashub, Lusatian, etc Serbian blood stop to be content to Poland. Man, such a Poland won`t need neither Germany, neither Russia. Such a Poland will dissolve from within. Such a Pro-Nazi Vatican and anti-Serbian. Any decent Catholic Polish will refuse such a Poland. Do you think Adam Mickiewich wanted such a Poland? Mickiewich who was one of many in Poland who relied on Serbs for independence of Poland.

Imagine that I tries to convince you to change facts about Katyn or about what Bandera did in Ukraine? Imagine that I tries to teach you about those things. Would you like that? I can state my opinion but, your word is a measure to me.

What is done is done. We need to face it and all to recover from it. So, examine facts and then judge. Duda done enough damage already. Corey Lewandowski, among else, when visited magnates in Belgarde gave his best to heal the rising rift. Rift that never happened in history of Polish-Serbian relations.

Serbo-Croat thing is internal Serbian thing. When we who are still Serbs are satisfied, no matter Catholic or Orthodox, then things can move on. Its on Vatican to reveal full facts about its project `Croatia`.

I know I'm not going to change your mind about Catholic Church, Crow, but some of the things you say are outright ridiculous. I suspect it's because of the upbringing and the education that you received, so my attempts to convince you are doomed to failure.


What?


That's irrelevant. Completely irrelevant.

Poland's enemy, who could undermine our stability might be Germany (but they are our allies at the moment) or Russia (but they are too weak to seriously undermine a NATO and EU member), but Serbia? Impossible. Besides, Serbia was always a friendly country, and if it wasn't for you love for "Mother Russia" (*rolls eyes*) we would have even closer ties.


Yes. It's surprising that Croats are not as liked as Serbs in Poland (at least this is my impression). Maybe it's the "Gothic", pro-German nonsense, and Serbs being seen as more Slavic and similar to Poles, despite different religion. I remember how Legia Warszawa fans got into a huge fight with Croat police in Split after they were shouting "Serbia! Serbia!". That was hilarious. :)


Well, it is rather natural that Vatican will support rather a Catholic than an Orthodox country, isn't it? As for any direct involvment of the Church in Croat atrocities - I simply don't believe it. Some crooked priests might have taken part in it, and they surely received their punishment from God for that, but the Church itself couldn't have had anything to do with it.

Anyway, European history is very complicated. That's one of the reasons why it's so fascinating. :)

Its not about Catholic Church. Not at all. Its about Vatican`s crimes.


Those who force creation of Croats out from Serbs negate Serbs. Negate their history, language, right to exist as Serbs.


And its opposite. You aren`t aware of facts. Still, you can read in Catholic online Encyclopedia about Catholic Serbs but they are negated in Croatia. Its how Croatia is created. Not just to negate Orthodox Serbs but new nation to be formed, so that Serbs extinct.



Its not insignificant. If Poland already fell to idea of Poland by Kanopisht (project of Germanized clero-Catholic Poland), then Czechs won`t go with Poland. Belarus neither. Slovakia neither. Etc. Serbs within Poland will antagonize with time. Poles themselves with antagonize with such a Poland.


Russia isn`t perfect but, perfectly hold balance of Poland`s very existence. Same as existence of Serbia. Sure, for Russian own interests but, outcome is the same.

As I said earlier, day Russia vanish, Poland would be overrun by her western European friends. But as we see, maybe even won`t be overrun. Why overrun something what is obedient and ceased its own Slavic essence of existence. I start to wonder.


Croatia is Vatican-Germanic project, where Vatican gets souls and Germany gets bodies and land. Decent Poles refuse germanzation and they on instinct side with Serbs, even not being aware how deep is Vatican`s connection with German expansionism, how deeply Vatican betrayed Poland. Here in the region we learned it very well.


I know about such an event in Bosnia.


No, its not. From Christian religious center (promote itself like that), one would expect justice to prevail and not some dirty scheme and imperial plans.


It was massive. Go, just Google that.

I did some internet research and found some disturbing information (some of which I am not able to verify). I'm afraid you might not be entirely wrong on the matter, Crow. :(

And how that affect Poland... Poland by Sarmatism is Piedmont. Poland by Kanopisht is end of Poland. Think about it because clock is ticking. You Poles, God help you, must fight for Poland. In that fight, you will learn, as your ancestors did, that Serbian enemies represent Poland`s enemies. It may change in the future but, until now, since is known from the beginning of time, that is how it is.

Poland, don`t worry. Northern stream 1 and 2 are against Serbia`s interests. Serbia insist on South stream project via Bulgaria. In reality its stream from Russia via Turkey. Hungary follow and support join deal with Russia. Read this as `consent from Visegrad`.

eh, Germany, Germany. Somethings is amiss here, isn`t it. Things went wrong. See, dobri brat in Christ Pope already support Serbia. Vatican`s-Germanic projects are to be futile.

Not to say that noble brat Trump play his own game, which interests overlap and goes hand in hand with Serbia`s and Visegrad`s interests.

And Russia is also happy, while China rejoice.

Note >

400.000 Serbia`s citizens on work in other countries returned in Serbia since the start of this year and process of their absorption in domestic economic system is under way. Government coordinate allocation of newly available labor force.

Business news >

Pavel Melnikov shares his investment plans for Serbia

> b32.../eng/news/business.php?yyyy=2020&mm=04&dd=14&nav_id=108321

WTF? I just turned on Serbian TV - RTS Svet, and they are showing some muslim prayers!

EDIT: ... it's some sort of religious program with prayers from different religions (judaism, catholicism, islam) - a bit strange. Not something that I would expect on Serbian TV. :)

Seems positive to me.

Definitely.

We have regular Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish and Islamic live stream and video programs for main religious events, from the regions where some religious provenience dominate on local level. We also have TV programs where participate high ranking religious representatives and share opinions on faith and God from aspect of different religions.


First Serbian diplomatic conflict with world powers, 200 years ago, happened when first Serbian region (land) liberated itself from Turks and our constitution in its 1st amendment had a statement - ``Even slave, if come to land of Serbs, is slave no more.`` Together with Turkish Empire, France, Britain, Prussia and Austria, etc, even back then Russia and USA protested.

That's cool - do you have a link to the document or any articles about that?

Of course he doesn't........

Its all make believe fantasyland playing canasta inside his head! LOL

Many sources on it. Just Google that. Its thing our children learning since primary school.

And, it is cool. Its paragraph from Sretenjski ustav (Sretenje constitution from 1835 year). It was considered as most liberal constitution of its time and had to be changed under the pressure of world powers.

SRETENJSKI USTAV - PREVIŠE LIBERALAN DA BI PREŽIVEO Sloboda robovima, zabrana nepotizma i još 9 lekcija iz naše prve demokratske avanture

> blic.rs/vesti/drustvo/sretnje-ustav/d34er56


Sretenjski ustav-temelj moderne srpske države



> infoera.rs/2020/02/15/sretenjski-ustav-temelj-moderne-srpske-drzave/


Our people always can came back from Chicago and other places. It may be even wise. But still, Chicago will remain in our hearts.

Or to hold ground and fight?