Religion discussion - muslims, jews, buddhist, and christians

Don't know RM he makes a lot of sense and i agree. Someone is not religious but they still hold Christians values of morality. So true, i am one of those people.

The proof that being fair and just has nothing to do with being religious is in how kids play. Go to any daycare center and you will see the 3 to 5 year-olds of all races playing while clueless about religions, Ten Commandments, social justice and equality. Being good at this age seems inherent and a default MO. Anger and hate will come later.

Probably because it was an immature stupid and pointless question. IF you do care to hear my answer - ask me again. I don't remember your question.


looksie, I wanted to avoid being blunt and give some factual examples that support my words. I forgot who I'm talking to.

So here is concise and to the point.

Your premises are BS. You claim that even before Christianity there was an universal moral code that all humanity shared. That everyone anywhere can tell right from wrong and what decency is a gross misconception of a spoiled brat who is living in the bubble.

Your concept of wrong, right and morality comes directly from Christianity. You acting what you believe in not voice it. You can say any BS but what matters is how you act and react. Your reaction to kids being abused illustrate clearly you're basically a Christian whether you like or not.

Well ancient Egypt, Greece and Rome had their own laws and regulations and the Sumerians even before them. The whole eye for and eye I believe comes from the Egyptian Hammurabi Code.


That's just a difference between people - some believe people are intrinsically good, some believe people are intrinsically bad. I belong to the latter...

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Unfortunately, the "Golden Rule" has but one proviso; only he who has the gold makes the rule(s).

I couldn't agree more. Example: when the lights went out in NY, what did they do? To protect or to loot? When a woman is stuck on the side of the road, the first guy will stop to help or to rape? A survey asked men if they would rape if they could avoid being charged. It was 35% yes.

@Lyzko

Indeed. Ive also heard 'nickel plated 45 makes the rules'

And he who wins a war writes the account.

@Rich Mazur

People are opportunist amd greedt especially in situations like that. The ghetto people use a cop shooting aome dudr as justification to rob their own hoood. But there are some good decent people left. Amd in my experience its usually the poor underclass, hard working peiple and older generations. My car door was dented twice in a parking lot within the last 5 6 months. One times an old guy waited for me for atleast an hour, gave me his name insurance all that stuff and even had a hand written note on my windshield with all his info should he need to leave before I get out. He made a tiny dent not even worth fixing. Last weekend same thing happened bit it was way way worse. A huge dent on the worst possible part - 1k repair if not more. It almost looked like they did it on purpose bc of how deep and big the dent was and it wasn't a windy day. That person dipped out no note no nothing

It takes just 10% vermin in any given group to ruin the 90% for me. Yes, I am that bad and that is why I don't trust anyone, unless it's my only way out.

From dailymail.com:

Joshua and Rachel Piland's three-day-old daughter Abigail died February 2017. The Lansing, Michigan couple were charged with involuntary manslaughter after refusing to take her to the hospital. This month Rachel gave birth to a baby girl named Verity who, like Abigail, began showing signs of infant jaundice. The couple refused to get Verity medical treatment and the state took action to remove her from their custody.

My question is why God didn't tell those two morons to quit that prayer bs and take the kid to the nearest hospital for a real "miracle" - the ER and the doctors. I would. BTW, isn't it nice that in the State of Michigan vs God, the State won?

Because G-d doesn't pay taxesLOL

I agree with you totally Dick.


Wrong again Dick, God won by saving the little girls life with a MIRICLE by getting her the medical help that she needed plus got the (let me guess, Jehovah Witness) parents arrested for their other crime.

God works in funny ways that you have no understanding to with your tunnel vision of God.
This thread is definitely not one of your strong suits Dick.
In fact some of your ignorant fodder in it has been less then sub elementary.

Even a child molester would have grabbed the kid from these moronic parents and take her to the nearest hospital. God did nothing and now is being excused because God works in 'mysterious' ways. God does nothing because God is a cute fictional story some old geezers wrote way back and people got to like.

BTW, the medical help and the cops who arrested these mother f******s were provided by us, humans, and God had nothing to do with it. If God can turn water into wine, he could have taken care of the kid BEFORE she died. To the believers, no matter the outcome, it's always God's will, if not a miracle. If she lived - a miracle. She died - God's will. I hope one day you will see how ridiculous it is.

Sources please.
So far it is only your opinion which you are entitled to or should I say again, "According to the gospel of Dick."


Yes it is because He is in charge Dick, not you as you think you are.


I assure you that the day will come when you will understand that you are not in charge and that God is.
That day might be when one of your grand daughters is laying in a hospital bed in a do or die situation.
Who would I trust to save her life, God's Will or Dicks ?

And why "HE", Johnny?

Perhaps as Susan B. Anthony once intimated, "HE" might in fact be a "SHE"!
:-)

The idea of religion as a source of comfort to man was long hijacked by the Protestants, above all, the Calvinists and Puritans, who turned the wonderful Judeo-Catholic concept of a loving G-d of mercy into a hellfire and brimstone monster who meted out justice capriciously.

"Laugh and the world laughs with you,
Weep and you weep alone.
This dear old Earth must borrow her mirth,
She's worries enough of her own...."

Once a mainstay of every US school child, carries with it a warped and pernicious philosophy from the Protestant creed that humankind must endure suffering by themselves, relying on nobody, save for their faith in the Allmighty.

We've seen, those of us with eyes in our head, ears, and conscience for a brain that this is wrong. Precisely when we need somebody around is when we are sad, not only happy!!

1. My gospel is as good as anything that came out of all the popes put together.

2. In my life I am in charge. Today, it is my will to go for a walk to the Cuba Marsh park and nothing is going to stop me.

3. If my granddaughter was in a do or die situation, I wouldn't waste one millisecond on prayers. Instead, I would use everything in my power to get her to the nearest hospital. Once there, if I had this option, I would make sure that the doctor is an atheist. The idea is, of course, ridiculous, but it reflects my view that with deeply religious people I would never know what's churning in their heads. Like, maybe that this kid will be better off in 'Heaven' with 'God" so I am going to help it happen. I never want to run this risk. That scenario was not hypothetical. I actually happened many times. It was the nurses, not doctors. Same s***.

Sorry Dick, you really aren't but you have the right to pretend you are.
With that said, yes Dick, you probably are.


Of course so if she did die then you could blame it on God.
I mean why am I even wasting my time debating the smartest guy in the room here.
You got the car washed yet ?

No but some of his 'messengers' seem keen on collecting 'taxes' on his behalf

I remember I went to see the play book of Mormon with my gf and as we were getting out there were some Buddhist monks trolling for donations. Well he goes up to us and asks for a donation om pretty generous per polish custom so I say sure. He says some Buddhist chant and gives us like some charm that was basically a gold.lamimated card with some prayer on it ur suppose to keep in ur wallet for good luck or protection or whatever. I still habe it sctually. I reach in my wallet and give him a 5. Dudes attitude changes right away. He shows me some clipboard with all these names and different donation amounts - $20, $40 even as high as $100 and DEMANDS a larger donation. I see all the names are printed and all in blue ink and all super generic xlesrly msde up names so I call his punk ass out on it. His 2 fellow Buddhist trollers run up as if to intimidate me but these guys are tiny. I make turds after a trip to the steakhouse bigger than them. I call them scammers and explain you can't bullsh1t a bullsh1tter - I know every trick in the book after working in consulting and b2b sales. This causes a scene and people coming out overhear what's going on.... And they take my side... The Buddhists end up leaving, not getting a penny and their spot is now blown up. If they weren't a bunch of greedy conniving ******** they probably could've got atleast a hundred or two amongst the three of them within the 10 15 minutes or so that all the people were leaving the theater. I wanted to whoop their ass but if there was a cop driving by I doubt some dude stomping a Buddhist monk in Orange robes is going to look good from a distance.

That's what happens to greedy mofos trying to scam otherwise generous people while using God, religion and all that. And many priests rabbis imams etc are no different. Sadly a lot of polish priests use their posts to enrich themselves and even hook up with parishoners

True enough.

I am what God made me. That's according to your faith.

The most irritating thing about the faithful is that they invented a God who - as they claim - created everything and is responsible for nothing. Almighty, all-knowing and totally passive. Almightism in the hands of the passive and the indifferent who would turn the world loose and let it run on autopilot is a terrible waste.

When bad dudes rape 4-month-old infants, the faithfuls' handy explanation is that God gave men free will. Cute but that bs line ignores the fact that without God, these sobs would have free will just the same. This makes God irrelevant just as we all are to the process of Sun rising in the morning. To be relevant one has to be active - at least once in a while.

The faithful don;'t think, they believe.

Are we watching the same movie?

Sure, only on different channels:-)
lol

people are neither good nor bad, they have potential to be either good or bad or both. I'm talking about something else entirely. About different civilizations that install and hold dear different values. You as an individual you can act in whatever way you want but you have a different reference point than someone from Pakistan for exmaple.


However it wasn't an universal moral code. Beside which Hammurabi ruled from a city state Babylon in the southern Mesopotamia - not Egypt. His codex was a piece of legislation not an act of a moral significance.


You're an ignorant and not very bright duck. IF the other would try to troll this site and would have tried to impersonate what he imagines a Trump supporter is all about that imaginary caricature would sound exactly like you ducky.

Well morality is more up to the individual. You can't make laws forcing people to be moral. You can make laws that punish people for doing evil things like theft, murder, etc. But you can't reallt force or make laws telling a person to be moral like say donating to the poor or giving up your seat to a senior. That's where, imo, religion comes in. Religion, or atleat most religions, teach morality but even then people are expected to do wrong which is fine as long as they realize their immorality and seek to correct it. The only scripture that really teaches it's followers how to act in day to day life and how to be moral is the Talmud as it covers everything from food, child birth and rearing, clothing even how to invest your money. Koran is similar but not nearly as comprehensive.


I disagree. I think all people are intrinsically good or bad. Bad people can do good things and good people can do bad things. But still people lean a certain way. For example let's say a person finds a wallet on their groubd. Their instinct may be - free money, it's mg lucky day or they may think poor person, they lost their cash ad their cards that really sucks I'll try to help them out. Now their morality may kick in or it may not. The person who thinks free money may decide nah that's an ******* move and attempt to find the owner while the person who thinks poor person I'll help them may end up deciding well I have an upcoming bill to pay, I'll keep the money.


Of course. But nonetheless most civilizations instill similar values and morality, some of which may cone from religion as oftentimes civilization, national identity and religion go hand in hand. Whether a Tibetan Buddhist from the 1500s, a modern day Christian from spain, or an 8th century Muslim from Saudi they're all taught the same basics like honor your father and mother, don't kill, don't steal, etc. But they may differ on other things like Muslims and Jews believe charging interest to people of the same faith is sinful and wrong, while in christianity that isn't really taught or discussed.

And you're right Hammurabi was Babylonian not Egyptian.

One can and one once DID enforce morality by citizens policing each other's behavior. Sadly, gone are the (great) days.
Now, it seems every man for himself. That's not civilized society, but jungle law.

Hoped we'd risen above that.

Today, we actually have to use the real police to police the moral police - the Vatican-approved and abetted child molesters dressed up as priests who, in between prayers, learned how to con the trusting and naive parents into being even more trusting and naive.

The Vatican's a centuries-old corrupt system of self-preservation which excuses and protects perv priests beneath the mumbo-jumbo of double-talking sex offenders, Mafia protectors etc, much as she has for thousands of years.

Is it worse than sex abusers by Jewish orthodox rabbis (who are protected by the orthodox code of silence to outsiders?) Or madrassas where horrific physical (and sexual) abuse are common?

The message is clear: keep you kids away from authority figures form middle eastern religions! but most people only get upset about the catholics when it's common in the other abrahamic faiths as well....

And the Almighty and All-knowing God stood by doing nothing. I would fire that God after the first incident and get me a better one. I fired mine as totally useless and indifferent when really needed.