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Why AfD is the most important party in Germany



Rich Mazur
1 Apr 2019  #271

That's neither an achievement or a success...

If not rescuing the illegals from Africa in not "success", then what is "success"? More boats to bring more of them? If so, how many would like?

jon357
1 Apr 2019  #272

polls here - - you soon see that these AfD fantasies of how eastern Germany is some sort of 'stronghold' is just that, a fantasy.

Basically all talk; most people despise them.

Slavictor
1 Apr 2019  #273

Chabad Lubavitch is in AFD's midst and is compromised.

timesofisrael.com/austrias-jews-wary-of-far-right-charm-offensive/

"Netanyahu hails ties with Austria after meeting with Kurz"

Yet, it has been determined long ago that Germany must perish, and cultural enrichment is the device.

bbc.com/news/world-europe-47677657

Weimarer
1 Apr 2019  #274

As i said, im happy how things develop and the good AfD results pushed it in the right direction.

Some morons here simply dont get it and fantasize about a AfD government wish, which i said multiole times, is not needed nor wanted. An AfD at 15 to 20% keeps the crazy leftist liberal ideas at bay and works as stabilizing counter force.

Tacitus
1 Apr 2019  #275

The AfD has had very little influence on the refugee policy of the government. Almost nothing what they suggested on actual policy decision were even worth discussing, because they were in clear violation of the law, and the influence of other parties (e.g. the Green party) assured that others were not implemented. The CDU/CSU would (and actual did, aside of the chancellor) have pushed for tougher refugee laws anyway, like they did in the past (and were actually doing since early 2015). All the AfD contributed to the debate was to polarize it even more, and thus make it even more difficult to come to an angreement e.g. regarding the reform of the refugee paragraph. That has now become impossible, even under a different chancellor.

keeps the crazy leftist liberal ideas

Well, as we might see soon in East Germany, one impact of the AfD (and thus fragmentation of the right) is that suddenly the left has a better chance of forming a government. Just like the fragmentation of the left lead to Merkel, it has now become possible (though not the most likely) scenario that the next chancellor will from the Green party. The polls certainly indicate this as a possibility.

Bratwurst Boy
1 Apr 2019  #276

The AfD has had very little influence on the refugee policy of the government.

I've thought about that abit. The AfD will probably never, or at least not for a long time, have any countable influence on gov decisions..but again, that is not even necessary.

It could be enough to take over communities, small towns, cities though....

We are a federal system, the regions have alot of power, purposely so. An AfD governed region can definitely influence the refugee policy...for example it can declare a full "Zuwanderungsstop".

It could try to give out welfare or housing they then own only to natives etc.

Right now such things are not even thinkable as the mayors and Länder govs are mainly west grown CDU/SPD (sometimes LINKE), but with a home grown AfD alot of these things could become possible.

Imagine the East with a full "Zuwanderungsstop", they don't have to fear repercussions from the gov in Berlin, because...hey...what should they do? Its legal! And they don't have to fear to tread on any toes there, quite the contrary.

Now all newcomer would be taken to West Germany, nobody to the East...that would be a huge influence on the refugee policy...in a roundabout way....people would have the direct choice: Do we want immigrants here, or not?

Just thinking here...

Bratwurst Boy
1 Apr 2019  #277

he left has a better chance of forming a government.

In Thuringia the latest survey found out that only a coalition of ALL parties (Linke, SPD, Grüne, CDU, FDP) would stand a chance to build a government. That would leave the AfD as the lone opposition party.

Imagine that, the return of the "Einheitspartei"....that would be not good for democracy but a victory for the AfD. And that will show come next election, I'm sure.

bild.de/regional/leipzig/leipzig-news/wahlumfrage-in-thueringen-ohne-die-cdu-kann-keiner-regieren-60888690,la=de.bild.html#remId=1619361838262385483

Tacitus
1 Apr 2019  #278

It could try to give out welfare or housing they then own only to natives etc

All of those proposals could and would be succesfully be challenged in Karlsruhe. You can't deny housing and basic necesseties to people who claim asylum. Furthermore the allocation of the refugees happens according to the Königssteiner Schlüssel, which is integrated into our constitution. This is something a former Supreme Court Judge pointed out to an AfD politician during a discussion at our university. So no, even an AfD government is not going to hide from its responsibilities. And we are not yet at a situation when a government can declare a state of emergency for their own populist agenda.

In Thuringia the latest survey found out that only a coalition of ALL parties

The polls I have just checked showed the AfD at around 20% and the Left party at 24%. The democratic parties (CDU SPD Green and FDP) would probably have a slight majority. So we basically have a Weimar situation there. The question is now, will the democratic parties band together, or will they make the same mistakes as the politicians in Weimar? And as a side note, even Thuringia does not see the AfD as strongest, or even second strongest party.

Bratwurst Boy
1 Apr 2019  #279

You can't deny housing and basic necesseties to people who claim asylum.

You don't even need to deny them when you declare a "Zuwanderungsstop". And that is legal.
It happened several times last year even without the AfD.....

The question is now, will the democratic parties band together,

The return of the "Einheitspartei"...longterm a pyrrhic victory!

And as a side note, even Thuringia does not see the AfD as strongest, or even second strongest party.

The biggest and maybe sole opposition party...there is barely a better gift you could give to the AfD!

Interesting possible answer to that asylum dilemma...an EU-Asylum law. But that would mean also the end of the special german asylum guarantee.

welt.de/debatte/kommentare/article191150239/Migration-Fuer-Europa-muesste-Deutschland-Asylgrundrecht-aufgeben.html

Tacitus
1 Apr 2019  #280

It happened several times last year even without the AfD

When and where exactly? I know that some cities were temporarily excused from taking in further refugees because they had already taken in more than required and reached the end of their capacity, but I do not remember this to be the case for any Bundesland.

The biggest and maybe sole opposition party

If the democratic parties form a coalition, it would be the Left party who would be the main opposition party.

Bratwurst Boy
1 Apr 2019  #281

but I do not remember this to be the case for any Bundesland.

The case of these cities has schown that its possible and legal. It just wasn't used regional...yet.

If the democratic parties form a coalition, it would be the Left party who would be the main opposition party.

Maybe....but it will be a mess in any case.

Lyzko
1 Apr 2019  #282

The question is though whom in the long run is the party trying to unify?

Tacitus
1 Apr 2019  #283

has schown that its possible and legal.

Under very strict circumstances. Those cities had previously taken in more refugees than required, and could show that they had no more capacities in the short run.

A Bundesland would have to prove that it could no longer take in further refugees that are allocated to them via the Königssteiner Schlüssel (A formel that benefits East Germany more than densely formulated Western Germany btw), which would prove quite difficult.

Rich Mazur
1 Apr 2019  #284

You can't deny housing and basic necessities to people who claim asylum.

1. How many refugees is Germany legally required to take?
2. How many are you personally willing to support?
3. Do you know that a refugee loses the right to claim a refugee status in Germany the minute he stepped into a safe harbor country somewhere else?

4. Considering Item 3, your statement above is a lie.

Before you answer, please, be advised that there are 6 billion people who would like to claim asylum in Germany.
Again, Questions 1 and 2 call for a number or an equivalent, not an essay. So, no "we have to do something", no "if not us, who", no "we are Christians", please.

Weimarer
1 Apr 2019  #285

@Tacitus

As usual you talk bullshit.

Some funny facts for you.

East German Jobcenters actively send migrants to west Germany. Cities like Essen already complained about this but cant do anything about that.

The harsh conditions those unwanted migrants face makes them want to leave. Ifmone wants to leave, he needs the agreement of the Jobcenter. East german jobcenters actively talk to them and even advice them to move west germany.

Another fact is, that a powerful AfD base can force a city to not allow migrants in. My own city is such an example. In 2016 the mayor ripped down the only empty house owned by the city and made a parking lot to make sure the city gets spared to have to deal with 3rd worlders.

Another little fact that shows that Tacitus talks bullshit is the fact, that the AfD runs the german migrant politics, CDU and even more so CSU are in absolute fear.

spiegel.de/international/germany/how-the-alternative-for-germany-has-transformed-the-country-a-1227360.html

Even leftist Spiegel says the AfD is the game changer and changed the entire nation.

Cry me a river Tacitus, we forced weak cucks like you to compromise and throw your beloved migrants under the bus.

We dont need a majority. As i said the numbers we have now are absolute enough to achieve our goals.

Whats even more important is how AfD destroys the rotten party system. We now sue the "Stiftungen". Political parties rob the state half a billiin euro each year. We make it public.

P.s....help them Tacitus! They are stuck in Libya!!!!

Oh wait...you cant help...because Italy blocks all help...and Merkel stays silent and called the last ship home.

In end effect cucks like tacitus dont want help. They want slaves and give a **** about human rights. They play darwinism, the strongest makes it over the sea. They call them, let the weak die. They talk big how humane they are when in reality they spend tax money for their perverted game.

Rich Mazur
1 Apr 2019  #286

That popping sound I hear must be the leftists' heads exploding...
You mean you can actually get rid of the foreign garbage by making it leave without resorting to violence? Wow!

Tacitus
1 Apr 2019  #287

Do you know that a refugee loses the right to claim a refugee status i

More specifically, Germany has in this case the right to return the person to the European country in which he first asked for asylum within a specific time period. If Germany can not do this, then the person has the right to request asylum in Germany. And since countries like Italy and Greece are actively stonewalling here, up to 99% deportation requests to e.g. Greece fail. That is however not the responsibility of the person and can not be hold againat him.

Cities like Essen already complained about this but cant do anything about that.

Because it does not happen in any significant number. We will make sure that slowly, but surely East Germany will transformed and become as welcoming to migrants as West Germany. It might take time, and we might have to drag people like you kicking and screaming along with us, but you won't prevent it from happening.

Rich Mazur
1 Apr 2019  #288

but surely East Germany will transformed and become as welcoming to migrants as West Germany.

Conveniently, you didn't say how many migrants. A classic feel-good crap.

we might have to drag people like you kicking and screaming along with us, but you won't prevent it from happening.

So you would actually resort to violence against your own to accommodate illegal foreign garbage. I wrote "illegal" because they enter Germany after refusing to stay where they got the refugee status first. They went to Germany to welfare shop, not to seek safety. They already had that before they crossed your border.

Weimarer
1 Apr 2019  #289

Yes. The majority in east germany is against migrants. This goes from top to down. Most of all is police but also in public service.

When they brought them in east German towns, they faced hostility. People throwing eggs and tomatoes at their bus ect.

They face hostility each day in public space. For example 3 customers in a bakery and one "migrant" comes in and gets ignored by the sales women.

They get ice cold eyes wherever they go. Even their supporters get socially isolated and hate.

Then the Jobcenter kicks in. They actively advice the migrants to move west germany. Tell them there are more like them and they find easier money and work.

In end effect they leave east germany and move west. Meanwhile west german cities complain and say east Germany sends them all migrants.

But can do nothing against that.

Before leftist cucks like Tacistus say thats not true:

zeit.de/gesellschaft/zeitgeschehen/2015-12/migration-sachsen-ostdeutschland-fluechtlinge

Migrants leave Saxony in large numbers.

As for the question you asked, they will never answer you.

They say there is no limit for migration. According to their perverted ideology if 1 billion come to Germany so be it. They also dont spend own money. They use tax money and in many cases take it for themself.

Cucks like TAcitus and his ilk are special.

A lifeboat of the Titanic had a max capacity of 70 people. When the giant liner went down, 1500 people went into the atlantic ocean.

If you would share your boat with a "special needs" Tacitus, he would call to allow all 1500 in your boat for 70 people. When you answer him thats impossible that it will sink the boat he will answer you: We can make it!

As long he is the crazy lunatic but cant do damage you can ignore him or stick a sock in his mouth so he doesnt scare the kids and women in the boat.

You actually cant imagine how crazy and deluded they are. I have a friend from Chile. He has black hair.

When he visited Germany he landed at munich airport and then went with train to central train station. There were the "teddy bear throwers and welcome morons". He said they were totally absent in their mind. A retarded smiling old hag walked to him with a bag with goods and greeted him. Thinking he is a migrant. When he told her he is tourist, she did just look with deluded empty eyes at him and contiued her program. Giving him a water bottle ect.

Another funny case, they catched a chinese tourist and because he spoke no english they put him asylum camp.

It appears once they seek you out as migrant they stick at your ass like parasites.

Here:

n-tv.de/panorama/Chinesischer-Tourist-steckt-im-Asylheim-fest-article18368806.html

A chiense tourist got trapped by this lunatics and was accidently put into their refugee welcome camp.

You cant make that **** up.

delphiandomine
1 Apr 2019  #290

We will make sure that slowly, but surely East Germany will transformed and become as welcoming to migrants as West Germany.

It's just like in Poland. Once no-one remembers Communism, mentalities will change.

jon357
1 Apr 2019  #291

Yes. The majority in east germany is against migrants.

Good that you're a strong supporter of Democracy...

Rich Mazur
1 Apr 2019  #292

We will make sure that slowly, but surely East Germany will transformed

Yeah, pushing for a slow death by a million cuts and proud of it. Unreal.

Why do I have this feeling like I am in a re-education camp in North Korea? Or reading Kafka's scary novel.

Being against your own country to feel good is beyond sick but at least consistent with the concept that liberalism is a mental disorder. This thread only confirms how serious that sickness really is.

Good that you're a strong supporter of Democracy...

That's exactly what he is for - people expressing their views on the subject they have every right to speak about.

Bratwurst Boy
1 Apr 2019  #293

We will make sure that slowly, but surely East Germany will transformed and become as welcoming to migrants as West Germany.

West Germany isn't welcoming the immigrants, the bigger cities are. So will also the East German cities....but most of the whole land around these cities is not and will not, neither in East nor in West Germany.

And since thats where most immigrants flock to the cities will look and act differently to the land.

A good excemple is London, totally multi-kulti with a muslimic mayor, but most of the region around voted pro Brexit.

That will be the future of Europe and the West generally...you can see a similiar picture emerge in the the US and in France and elsewere...the new default lines will be between the heterogeneous cities and the quite homogeneus land around them.

and we might have to drag people like you kicking and screaming along with us

Well...tell that to the SED.....they tried that too!

Rich Mazur
1 Apr 2019  #294

One more thing. "Democracies", constitutions and the laws were never meant to be suicide pacts. They all are supposed to serve the natives and always with their consent.

Flooding Germany with foreign s*** would never be approved through an honest - that means with full disclosure of pros and cons - referendum. Polls show what the pollsters want to show. Hillary had it in the bag. Sure.

Bratwurst Boy
1 Apr 2019  #295

Once no-one remembers Communism, mentalities will change.

Maybe....but right now one rather no-stop compares and does not want to see a GDR v2 emerge! Making sure that this time won't be forgotten anytime soon..:)

Weimarer
1 Apr 2019  #296

@Rich Mazur

You dont need to worry.

East Germany got far more far right since 2015. Before this stunt, foreigners had a hard time here but could live. Now its so extreme, it targets not only the new ones but also the very few who live here.

From the 30.000 migrants they tried to settle in my state Thüringen in 2015 already 12.000 left.

The funny fact is, that now the low numbers of migrants leave eastern germany and ironicly, west germans move to east germany, because tehy dont want live in the west german ********* any longer.

goettinger-tageblatt.de/Nachrichten/Politik/Deutschland-Welt/Erstmals-mehr-Umzuege-von-Westdeutschland-nach-Ostdeutschland-als-andersherum

This creates an interesting division, an almost completly all German east Germany and a shitholificated West Germany where Germans become a minority, where arabs block the Autobahn, rule cities and do as they please.

Btw want see what happenes to people like TAcistus in Eastern Germany? Who want "force us"?

They publish sad articles how they get socially destroyed in East Germany:

zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2019-01/troeglitz-afd-npd-bedrohte-politiker

And say they dont understand it, because they think they are the intellectual elite. :D

As for democracy, i and many others use our democratic rights and elect a party that fights for our interests.

Or does democracy only exist for your own opinion?

delphiandomine
1 Apr 2019  #297

Now its so extreme, it targets not only the new ones but also the very few who live here.

I wonder how much he's being paid to write this fantasy stuff. I've been in Gorlitz, Bautzen, Cottbus and quite a few smaller towns during the winter holidays and there were plenty of migrants living and working there. The idea of them being "targeted" is just a fantasy.

Weimarer
1 Apr 2019  #298

I posted the sources. You as typical leftist tell bullshit. You never were here. You have no source and want us to believe your ****.

Of course we have migrants. 1.4% of population. Thatsa godo number. I have no problem with those.

What i expect is absolute and 100% assimilation. Not integration. They must give up their primitive culture and become 100% german. That or get the **** out.

In that case a low percentage is acceptable. We have a kurd living here. He speaks perfect german, is atheist, drinks beer. He married a german women, gave his kids german names. He is a good man. He also supports AfD. He owns the local pizza bakery.

jon357
1 Apr 2019  #299

I wonder how much he's being paid to write this fantasy stuff.

He basically looks for crime reports and hopes the name isn't a traditionally german one.

The idea of them being "targeted" is just a fantasy.

It's the morbid fantasy of a socially inadequate youth.

At least he supports democracy though, and Chancellor Merkel did win the democratic vote. Several times.

Weimarer
1 Apr 2019  #300

Merkel won so much that her power is now castrated and she spends her last days in office as impotent political dwarf.

The biggest sucess of the AfD is, that Merkel was cut bavk so much, that Germany lost enormous influence in the world. One justbhas to compare almighty Merkel 3 years ago and now...sitting silent in her office and imternational isolated while her own interior ministet makes her a joke amd eastern german CDU politicians tell her to mot come, since she is hated so much. :)

I like how bad she is treated. You can see in her face that the insults and constant attacks take a toll on her.


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