Why AfD is the most important party in Germany

@Lyzko

I was born in 1994. I dont know this old ****.

What will you bring up next? Charlie Chaplin?

I grew up with Game of Thrones, not some old black and white **** starring human hybrids

First poll results come in.

BAd news for the negroid lovers like old zombie Lyzko.

The Afd in Eastern Germany has become a force.

In Thüringen it became 2nd strongest force after the CDU.

In my City AfD even won absolute majority with 65%.

When you look at the results its good to know at least Eastern Germany is saved.

Kurz rocks in Austria....35%....one of the best results for his ÖVP ever!

I wonder what the SPÖ will do now...do they dare? They are the losers right now (so is the german SPD btw.)

Marine le Pen leads in France. Dream!

What makes me sad is teh devision visible in Germany.

And in that case i´m even sad about the extreme highr esults of AfD in Eastern Germany. While in West Germany AfD did rise but not that much, in Eastern Germany the results are bombastic. It shows the extreme division and i wonder what will happen.

Better to leave him in control, I think. A Kurz-led semi-technocrat government is unlikely to fall in popularity, unless more comes out about the FPO. Better to use the time until September to create a viable alternative, or at least one that will force Kurz into entering a grand coalition.


Massive win for the Greens though. It's clear that voters have had enough of old fashioned SPD politics and that they want something new.

Poor result for the AfD as well, they've clearly not done anywhere near as well as they would have wanted. They might do well in some provincial plattenbauen, but you need far more than 10% to influence anyone.

@delphiandomine

What it teachs me is that compromise between east and west is not possible anymore and i say that with sorrow because it further speeds up the split up of our nation.

In Thüringen and Sachsen AfD won most votes even surpassing CDU

Results for my state

*nods*

Otherwise he will probably get even more "martyr"-points...


Yeah, that the SPÖ couldn't profit from that scandal more is telling...it's their weakness which makes others strong!

They have that also in common with the german SPD...to create a viable alternative finally is most important now...but honestly I don't see that happening soon, not with that personal.


In Brandenburg the became strongest power...and Brandenburg surrounds "red" Berlin...if that isn't the cover picture of the split between East and West and rural and urban then I dunno....

For sure, he will if they get rid of him now. If/when he wins the next election, the SPO could even let him run a minority administration, knowing that it would be much harder for him to operate without having a majority in the National Council. Several years of poor minority government would finish him.

We will see if the SPÖ is that smart...;)

It seems Bratwurst Boy (and some other people on the forum) believes in robots quite a much and believe they can be a response to low fertility rates in Germany (and Europe). But in any case:

1) Robots aren't allowed to vote. Therefore groups of people with higher fertility rates will elect a politicians whom they like (and of their groups) and ultimately control robots trough this politicians. Or someone proposes to revert to a dictatorship?

2) Robots are uncreative. Can they develop principally new type of weapon, for example, or develop all the science?
3) Robots can't develop culture. What about philisophers, artists, thinkers, writers, Bach and Mozart? Society with fewer people will get mentally and culturally impoverished.
4) Paradoxically, but society with few people and many robots may become vulnerable from strategical and military point of view. An enemies will think like this: "if we will kill all the people then no one will remain to control robots. Then we will take control of entire territory and robots. And will suddenly use some weapon which targets people primarily.

For example some toxin or neutron bombs.
5) Also it can become vulnerable in sense of national security. An advantage of people is that their brains cannot be programmed as easily as robots. Few people and many robots means some group of people can program robots for total obedience to them only, and get all the power.

Those who own these robots will decide!

And I have a guess there will be not many new black and/or muslim immigrants/refugees between them...


Ever heard of AI? ;)

We can't even guess what they could be capable off..

@Vlad1234

you are wrong in most aspects. Eastern Germany has a much higher birth rate than west germany. And here its babies with with value. German children.

The ideal population for Germany is 60 million. Germany at moment is overpopulated.

You are also wrong about that low population nations are not as creative than highly populated ones.

How much inventions come from Nigeria or India? Almost nothing. Same counts for China.

The worlds highest rate of inventions comes from USA, Germany, Japan, South Korea and Israel.

And now we look at Israel, Israel each year makes more scientific research than entire muslim world combined.

A population of 8 million people makes 90% more research than 1.5 billion people.

You also obviously never heared about an AI.

We have the technology to waste nations like Nigeria and all we need would be 2 or 3 men in the control room.

And uncreative robots arent the problem. Too creative are. With quantum computin at the edge we have thr problem of smart machines.

What if we make an AI with the task to keep the brownies at bay and this said AI decides to overthrow us?

Its amazing that die Grünen get about 20,5% of votes in Germany, quite close behind CDU/CSU which takes 28.9%. If we sum up CDU/CSU with SPD (15.8%), we get 44,7 % of voters who prefer "traditional" parties, as opposed to those who prefer the "non-traditional" ones: the Greens plus the AfD (11%), both adding to 31,5%.

All this may seem to suggest that political gravity in Germany slowly moves from the traditional forms of political engagement to the non-traditional ones (currently 44,7% against 31,5%).

Then it's quite seductive to send 2-3 secret agents who will kill these 2-3 operators in the control room and will get control of your entire army. Easy win!

@Vlad1234

Hard to accomplish, when an ai scans a face. I doubt nigeria or sudan have a secret service.

And yes, its possible to lock down the mediterranean sea with a 2 or 3 men team.

I wouldn't call the Greens "non-traditional"!

They are are around now for 40 years. They may have been founded as non-traditional party for non-conformists but that has since changed totally. Today they develop to the party for the better off who want to enjoy their daily comforts with a good consciousness. A new middle for the many europeanized, globalist, well off and well educated Germans. They want to save the planet but not shock the foundations of capitalism. And why should they, they are the winners.

They could go far....but only in Germany!

You can rent some Russian or Chinese hackers to break almost any AI system, but they wouldn't be able to do the same with large amount of people.


Would Germany be able to win war with China regardless all its creativity?


Doesn't a creature suppose to have ability to rebel in order to be creative? Isn't creativity an act of free will and ability to rebel against stereotypes?

Definitely!

It is to early for us to say what will be happening with "robots" and societies relying heavily on them. We have just no idea what they will be able to do in the future or not.

We have nothing comparable to fall back on and draw conclusions from.We can only speculate with our current knowledge, with our current vision of smart machines, for example believing that they can be hacked.

These imaginations can be already moot in 10 years from now on. Not to speak of the next 50 or 100 years...

Surely, you are right. But in the sense of the traditional division of political parties into right-wing and left-wing ones, a Green party constitutes a 'novum", an innovation that today matches neither of the above. Traditionally, they have been considered as being closer to the left, but as you said, the modern German Grünen display their concern for the basics of the capitalist system as well.

Do you want to say that the Grünen in Germany are unique in the sense that no other European country seems to enjoy as strong a green party as is the case in Germany?

And that has changed...

Today many leftists (Fundis) are still part of the Greens, but since Habeck and Baerbock took over (the current winning stars of the Greens) the more middle/even conservative part (Realos) rules the party and you don't hear so much anymore from the former radical leftists which kept the party trustingly far down in every election.

It was already with Fischer (who changed from a fundi to a realo as he came to power) as the former pacifist Greens supported the NATO mission in the Balkan...it is the current widely popular mayor of Tübingen, one Boris Palmer, who talks about refugees as if he were the spokesperson of the AfD...even being asked by hard core leftist Greens like Claudia Roth to leave the party.

The left Greens have been muted...nobody wants to risk the current high rise, which is founded in their being seen as "not-left" anymore.

IMHO thats a tight rope the Greens are walking right now....it may even lead to a split in the end. During an election campaign you can present a "realo" front to the voter but once you are in power you have to put up and to decide which way you want to go. And you can trick a voter only once...when he votes realo and gets fundi he won't be voting Green a second time.

I'm not sure how long that "fence sitting" will pay off.....

But that inner split between a left and a right fraction have the Greens already in common with the other traditional "Volksparteien", that's the same malaise for the SPD and the CDU! So nothing new here....

Germans always loved their trees and forests.....we already had better animal right laws in the Third Reich than even today.

Yes, I would say the sense of nature protection is a german "thing", much more than in the rest of Europe...but that has nothing to do with the government...to all times have german poets and thinkers the nature idolized and romanticized, even before Germany as a nation existed. I believe that has alot to do with our germanic past, our old ways...before Christianity. Our inherited paganism, which is much more in tune with the nature than Christianity, shows through! :)

Nowhere else will the Greens be that successful, especially not when they still come packaged as leftists as in most other countries. Most Europeans just don't care for their trees and animals and environment protection as much as Germans do and probably never will!

The german Greens can build on that...but only in Germany.

@Vlad1234

Yes we could win a war with China. CRISPR/CAS is the solution and would be a genophage. I doubt you know what that is.

The SPÖ has been not as smart as hoped, TOGETHER WITH THE FPÖ they just toppled Kurz.

I look into my crystal ball and predict a clear win by Kurz in the now coming new elections, maybe it will even be enough for a sole reign without the need for some annoying partner....the SPÖ won't profit from that at all, ruther lose further.

Kurz and his party are already in campaign mode so they say, he is riding a wave....

That's great. But unfortunately green intentions not always compatible with present state of economy and technology. I've read that consumers in Germany are complaining about high electricity prices while govt. decided to ban nuclear power.

Point I was making Weimarer, but you clearly didn't catch my English (Surprise, surpriseLOL), was that merely because you weren't born prior to 1998 or whenever, doesn't mean you're ever too young to have heard of things long before you were on this earth, right? Were you and your generation raised in some sort of hermetically sealed cocoon??

:-)

That got totally botched yes....also for that failed Energiewende is the current gov being punished. The stronger the Greens the heavier the pressure on the mainstream parties to do more, to do things different, to do it better, to change things!

The main problem will probably be that most of the current green plans and ideas are geared towards people who can afford higher prices for the good cause "environment protection".

They will have to rethink that whole field again when they want to make inroads with the not so well off people....

Gunar Lindeman of German AfD spoke today in German parliament in favor of Serbia and criticized German government for Kosovo recognition, no matter that local Kosovo Albanians an masse fought and fight for Islamic state. Lindeman also underlined as scandalous that Germany ignored fact of 140 Serbian Christian Churches destroyed by Albanian Muslim extremists. At the end Lindeman called German government to annul its Kosovo recognition because independent Kosovo shakes very fundaments of Europe and violates continental stability.

@Crow

As much i understand your point as a serb...we Germans have our own problems and i dont pay Lindemanns income with my taxmoney to speak for Serbia. AfD should concentrate on German matters.

Poor naive BB...So you think that the Greens and the global warming con artists want to save the environment. Just like the bolsheviks wanted to improve the living conditions of the working class. Yeah, sure.

but he doing exactly that.

Germany mistaken for organizing and sponsoring dissolution of Yugoslavia, which led in harming of Serbs. So, for even bigger powers, survival of German state is now in question. That is why Lindemann call for annulment of Kosovo recognition.