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A bad omen for Christianity? Notre Dame fire.



kaprys
16 Apr 2019  #61

Gdańsk, Sosnowiec. .. and some wooden churches - extremely diffiicult to save :(

Rich Mazur
16 Apr 2019  #62

You don't have to blame an Islamic terrorist for that.

Even if not true, they could dump it on them to make the French finally realize who their invaders really are. The "white supremacists" like me are blamed for everything, aren't we?

BTW, just as the stupid whites in Sweden hide the Muslim crimes by calling Muslim criminals "Swedes" - like in "three Swedish men raped a ten-year-old girl" - the stupid whites in France will not only hide the fact that the arsonists were Muslims but won't even admit that it was arson to prevent the peasants from thinking that it could possibly be them.

delphiandomine
16 Apr 2019  #63

Gdańsk, Sosnowiec. .. and some wooden churches - extremely diffiicult to save :(

It's horrible. Notre Dame is shocking because of the symbolism of it, but any religious building being destroyed is a horrible thing to see.

I was always touched by the way that the people of Sarajevo never touched the Serbian Orthodox cathedral there during the war, even as mosques were being ruined elsewhere.

kaprys
16 Apr 2019  #64

@Vlad1234
I still think it was just a coincidence.

Have a look at this poem - about the soldiers of Westerplatte. The summer of 1939 is said to have been beautiful.

visegradliterature.net/works/pl/Gałczyński%2C_Konstanty_Ildefons-1905/Pieśń_o_żołnierzach_z_Westerplatte/en/1607-A_Song_of_the_Soldiers_of_Westerplatte

I think people often look for omens to explain what happened later. Just my opinion.

jon357
16 Apr 2019  #65

three Swedish men raped a ten-year-old girl"

This is about Notre Dame?

wooden churches

There are some good (but expensive) ways to protect wooden churches. Some of the UK ones have been treated with fire-retardant materials.

Rich Mazur
16 Apr 2019  #66

This is about Notre Dame?

Let me give you an example how selective quoting produces stupid results.

You just wrote: "This is.."

Me playing you: Is "this is" about Notre Dame?

So, go back to my brilliant post above, read it slowly, google the words that are too difficult for you to understand, and tell me that my brilliant post is not about the case.

A hint: the words "as" and "like" usually indicate that what follows is an analogy.

jon357
16 Apr 2019  #67

A hint

Hint away. Nothing you've said is on topic.

As usual.

It's actually funny to watch.

Rich Mazur
16 Apr 2019  #68

Do you believe in omens?

Now, THAT is about Notre Dame fire. Sure.
But the French police investigating and covering an inconvenient truth is not. No way.

Dirk diggler
16 Apr 2019  #69

There are some good (but expensive) ways to protect wooden churches.

Yeah like getting rid of all the kebab who are stabbing priests, robbing churches and now even burning them down and cheering their destruction. And actually it wouldnt be too expensive

jon357
16 Apr 2019  #70

Weird how American trolls always appear, pretending to be outraged.

Rich Mazur
16 Apr 2019  #71

Yeah like getting rid of all the kebab who are stabbing priests,

But that would be soooo raycist....

OK, from now on, every time you, Euro-holes, get murdered or raped I will smile and cheer. I promise.

Miloslaw
16 Apr 2019  #72

in France will not only hide the fact that the arsonists were Muslims

There is some truth in this.
Many French churches have been vandalised over the last few months and although reported outside of France, The French media have been pretty quiet about it.

Dirk diggler
16 Apr 2019  #73

So? Doesn't mean it wouldn't be effective. Plus it'd be cheaper than fire proofing each church. And there'd be tons of secondary benefits - less rapes, violent crimes, terrorism, etc. therefore less money spent on police and jails, less ninjas and neckbeards multiplying like rats and therefore less tax money to support them and their offspring, unemployment rate would suddenly decrease, there'd be more tax money for the rest of the populace.... the list of benefits is nearly infinite

Lyzko
16 Apr 2019  #74

And to think that mere single flames ravaged Notre Dame, whereas that second, perhaps third, of the great cathedrals of Europe, namely, the Cologne Cathedral even withstood the firebombs of WWII, much as did miraculously London's St. Paul's Cathedral.

Miloslaw
16 Apr 2019  #75

And to think that mere single flames ravaged Notre Dame

Notre Dame is much,much older than the other two and contains more wood.

Rich Mazur
16 Apr 2019  #76

It's the Twin Towers in NY - that had the misfortune of having been noticed by the world's worst human garbage - that weren't so lucky.

jon357
16 Apr 2019  #77

Notre Dame is much,much older than the other two and contains more wood.

In many English cathedrals there was a race to replace wood in the roof structures with less inflammable materials before the planning rules changed in the late 90s. And then to fire-proof what wasn't replaced in order to make insurance affordable. In the case of Notre Dame, some of the roof structure was original, 850 years old.

Dirk diggler
16 Apr 2019  #78

great cathedrals of Europe, namely, the Cologne Cathedral even withstood the firebombs of WWII

And yet churches and priests in the west couldn't withstand multiculturalism coming from the turd world,,,

Bratwurst Boy
16 Apr 2019  #79

Notre-Dame survived even WWII and the german occupation....and now that! :(

(and why is my message green???)

jon357
16 Apr 2019  #80

It survived and it will endure. It will take a generation to rebuild, however a lot survived this tragic accident. Plenty of work for Europe's stonemasons, most of whom are in Britain.

Do you remember when Gorzów Cathedral burnt down a few years ago?

(and why is my message green???)

It's an alien conspiracy.

Bratwurst Boy
16 Apr 2019  #81

It will take a generation to rebuild,

Hopefully not.

Germany has some experience with rebuilding destroyed old masterworks....I read an interview with one of the architects of the rebuild Fraunkirche in Dresden.
Even as gothic structures are more filigrane than baroque ones the difficulties are similiar.
He counts on a decade for the rebuilding...long enough but we should see it fine as new again. The big question will be if they decide to rebuild it as original or if they are allowed to use modern materials....

It's an alien conspiracy.

The takeover has begun...

Do you remember when Gorzów Cathedral burnt down a few years ago?

No...but I read about plans to rebuild the Saxon palace in Warsaw again. There was a rumour that Poland wants Germany to shoulder some of the burden.

I would love to see that happen. That's the kind of reparation which would find lotsa support in Germany! :)

jon357
16 Apr 2019  #82

He counts on a decade for the rebuilding.

The South Transept at York Minster took about a decade; the churches are a similar size, however the fie damage was far less in York.

The big question will be if they decide to rebuild it as original or if they are allowed to use modern materials....

This will be the deciding factor about the length of time and the cost.

Bratwurst Boy
16 Apr 2019  #83

Not to mention security. With modern nonflammable materials such future catastrophes could be avoided...

Weimarer
16 Apr 2019  #84

Whoever did this failed.

Notre Dame survived without greater damage. The structure of the cathedral is intct. All art could be erscued and whats most importantm the walls are not damaged.

What is gone, is the roof, which can be replaced.

I hope for strict investigation. Alot of churches burned in france recently...

Lyzko
16 Apr 2019  #85

@Dirk,
Are you intimating that anti-multiculturalism had something remotely to do with the fire??
Kindly explain.

@Milo,
Good point.

Dougpol1
16 Apr 2019  #86

The Guardian references scum like Dirk and RichM here:

theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/16/social-media-platforms-failed-to-counter-notre-dame-fire-conspiracies-say-critics

Dirk diggler
16 Apr 2019  #87

@Lyzko

There's been dozens of cases where kebab has torched churches, stabbed and even murdered priests, stole from the donation boxes, etc. All of them were committed by muslims. Lots of french muslimes were snackbaring on social media praising the fire as well.

i.e. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Normandy_church_attack
bbc.com/news/video_and_audio/headlines/36893807/france-church-attack-priest-killed-near-rouen

Until independent reliable sources show that notre dame was caused by an accidental fire it is safe to assume that muslims did it - especially since there is a long record of them doing these kinds of things

One thing is certain - none of the media outlets are stating that it was an accident, nor are they saying that it was deliberate. If indeed it was deliberate and set by a muslim they wouldn't report on it anyway because they know there'd be havoc as a result.

jon357
16 Apr 2019  #88

With modern nonflammable materials such future catastrophes could be avoided...

This is very true; if they want actual wood (and that would take a long time to season; much of Europe's stock of the right sort of seasoned roof timber went on the rebuilding of Windsor Castle) it's possible to impregnate it with fire retardant sunstances.

Of course if they choose metal, it's more naturally resistant to accidental fires like this.

Bratwurst Boy
16 Apr 2019  #89

Until independent reliable sources show that notre dame was caused by an accidental fire it is safe to assume that muslims did it

Dirk, any muslim terror organization would LOVE to claim the fire...I wonder actually that no one has yet. They sometimes do even claim stuff they didn't....

So, that they haven't can be taken as a NO!

jon357
16 Apr 2019  #90

So, that they haven't can be taken at value!

Indeed. Any suggestion otherwise in this thread is just some nomark trying to troll.


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