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Bratwurst Boy
19 Apr 2019  #151

Who cares....just stop with that Jesus crap...it looks ridiculous on you!

Rich Mazur
19 Apr 2019  #152

So, my post with

....but accept and actively support the core teachings by Jesus...

became

that Jesus crap...

Whatever you are on, don't take it anymore.

BTW, this is all I needed:

Who cares...

when discussing

Only a Euro weasel would confuse a Muslim refugee f***king a random German woman in the park at 10 pm with "two people making love".

Case closed.

Bratwurst Boy
19 Apr 2019  #153

....but accept and actively support the core teachings by Jesus

When Jesus would have been reborn as Latino trying to cross the border to the US to give his wife and children a chance of a future ...what would you do?

Or what do you think Jesus would do when faced with this desperate illegal immigrant family today?

And what he would like you to do to them?

And what would YOU do when faced with them?

And then say it again that you "accept and actively support the core teachings by Jesus"! ROFL

Rich Mazur
19 Apr 2019  #154

When Jesus would have been reborn as Latino, crossed the border, broke into your house, and now is raping your daughter....

I would blow the m-fu***r's head off and no miracle would save his ass.

Bratwurst Boy
19 Apr 2019  #155

And that is a core teaching by Jesus?

Tlum
19 Apr 2019  #156

Jesus, being without sin, would not try to willingly break the law to cross the border.

Bratwurst Boy
19 Apr 2019  #157

So, Jesus is an obedient follower of human authority?

Is that what gods son does? Submitting to human laws and borders?

Crossing a boder illegally is a "sin"? What does that make a border, something "divine", to worship, to pray to????

Very interesting! :)

Rich Mazur
19 Apr 2019  #158

And that is a core teaching by Jesus?

Yes.

Bratwurst Boy
19 Apr 2019  #159

Okay....

Tlum
19 Apr 2019  #160

So, Jesus is an obedient follower of human authority?

From the Bible: "Give what is Caesar's to Caesar and what is God's to God."

Bratwurst Boy
19 Apr 2019  #161

You forgot the rest:

"So For there is no authority except from God and those which exist are established by God."

Next you will/have to tell me borders are established by god....

Because if they didn't, only human made, they have no authority at all (for a christian that is). So it isn't a sin to cross them!

Tlum
19 Apr 2019  #162

You confuse things. There is no moral authority except God. But here we talk the human laws. Jesus would not run a red light because he - besides the moral laws - followed human laws (unless they collide with moral laws, then he'd likely choose the latter one).

Jesus would not try to cross the border illegally; He would go through proper / legal channels.

Bratwurst Boy
19 Apr 2019  #163

1 John 2:4 ESV
Whoever says "I know him" but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,

Acts 5:29 ESV
But Peter and the apostles answered, "We must obey God rather than men.

It's funny I'm not an expert and I still can find all the stuff online in no time.

But frankly I'm not interested in Jesus and the Church at all, in a Church where a bloodthirsty hater who wants to kill human beings as "scum" and thinks that is a core teaching by Jesus even less...

That's your muddled problems not mine! :)

Tlum
19 Apr 2019  #164

If your point was that Jesus would approve illegal immigration, I don't think that would be the case (despite what the pope thinks about that these days).

Bratwurst Boy
19 Apr 2019  #165

But isn't the pope his deputy (kind of)?

How do you think Jesus would handle all the refugees coming knocking on our doors these days?

Rich Mazur
19 Apr 2019  #166

If your point was that Jesus would approve illegal immigration, I don't think that would be the case....

....or approve aiding and abetting importation of Muslim rapists, murderers, and unemployable and intolerant human waste. All with the full benefit of hindsight of what these bastards did in Sweden and other places - thus removing all doubt about the outcomes following their arrival.

Jesus would not be part of that. He also never paid a dime in taxes to support the scum, thus, making his views on this matter irrelevant.

Tlum
19 Apr 2019  #167

Pope is a deputy, but is not infallible.

I don't know how Jesus would 'handle' immigrants, but maybe he'd think to Himself: "I gave you the most fertile soil on Earth; you still don't have enough food to eat? You thrive in corruption; you want it to spread to the Western communities? Fine, here is a fishing rod for each of you; if you can show you won't be a burden to the nations that give you asylum, you are welcome to stay; otherwise, follow the law and apply from your country legally."

Bratwurst Boy
19 Apr 2019  #168

Pope is a deputy, but is not infallible.

No human is!

That's what I was saying all along, but that includes human laws and human borders....

We really should keep god and jesus out of this dilemma!

but maybe he'd think to Himself

Well...if humans really have been created in god's image he should not be so surprised!

The rest of your thinking is totally human judgement. If Jesus and Gods thinking would really following our ways of thinking, there is even less need for that...

Rich Mazur
19 Apr 2019  #169

The current pope is a Marxist, globalist pos who ventures where he should never go. Like telling the US what to build at the border - bridges, not fences.

What that pope forgot is that God, being almighty and all that, could have done it already all by himself.

Tlum
19 Apr 2019  #170

but that includes human laws and human borders....

One should respect the laws of the nations that established them. The laws may be inhumane or unfair, but that doesn't mean you have the right to break them. If there is poverty due to total corruption (like in Venezuela and some other Latin American countries), they should fight for their rights and freedom, like the French or even Russian people did during the revolutions. Not to mention Poles who didn't make it easy for Hitler paranoia ;)

Bratwurst Boy
19 Apr 2019  #171

The laws may be inhumane or unfair, but that doesn't mean you have the right to break them.

To the contrary, if the laws are inhumane and unfair it's a duty to break them.

Remember the Berlin Wall? I am a Berliner and I'm proud and happy that people stood up to break it and the whole f****ing system behind it.

I'm not sure if it's really a christian commandment to support inhumane and unfair rulers with their obedience!

they should fight for their rights and freedom,

To do so they NEED to break the laws their unfair rulers have put up to keep their power! See the contradiction?

To break unfair and inhumane laws becomes resistance. Even the first Christians had been law breaker and were hunted and killed for that.

Tlum
19 Apr 2019  #172

inhumane and unfair it's a duty to break them.

I thought you didn't want to talk about moral laws any more. If anything, they can start with changing the laws in their own countries from which they run away.

people stood up to break it

Why did they wait until the Poland's Solidarność movement; they didn't do much to get rid of it before 1989.

unfair rulers

People in Latin America or Syria / Libya are not slaves; they created and accommodated their own social and political systems. They reap what they sew. They cannot blame the West for their own not-smart-decisions.

Bratwurst Boy
19 Apr 2019  #173

If anything, they can start with changing the laws in their own countries from which they run away.

They could, but seemingly they are unable to.

Why did Poland's Solidarność movement didn't start earlier? Could had saved us alot of quality time! :)

People in Latin America or Syria / Libya are not slaves

They are not really free either. Not in the way we Europeans are...that's why they want to leave and come to us or the US.

I agree that their solution doesn't lay in our countries, but that doesn't mean we should treat them like "scum". Every one of them is "made in God's image". Especially people calling themselves Christians shouldn't forget that!

'night all

Tlum
19 Apr 2019  #174

They could, but seemingly they are unable to .

Hopefully you're not a white supremacist by stating they cannot manage their own country:

You mentioned how the Berliner progressives were anxious to remove the wall, but as it usually happens, they wait for the conservaties to do the real job (that is fine though ;)

They are not really free either. Not in the way we Europeans are...

They can copy-paste the European laws and social norms for free. But, seemingly, they are unable or unwilling too.

jon357
19 Apr 2019  #175

anything, they can start with changing the laws in their own countries from which they run away.

So easy for all of us to do......

Rich Mazur
19 Apr 2019  #176

No....I doubt sexual activities between native women and foreign immigrants never have been a topic in the Bundestag.

So, who did you think that Muslim garbage will f***?

Did you consider that every German woman is someone's daughter? Do you have a daughter?

Tacitus
19 Apr 2019  #177

Why did they wait until the Poland's Solidarność movement; they didn't do much to get rid of it before 1989.

Well, the last time they tried (in 1953), Soviet tanks came to the rescue of the regime. That is a pretty effective deterrent, don't you agree?

Rich Mazur
19 Apr 2019  #178

I am so afraid that the ND fire will be a wasted opportunity. What a terrific loss with no upside - just like our 9/11 or the Boston marathon.

Atch
19 Apr 2019  #179

But nonetheless,Notre Dame is something special.
We just don't have an equivalent in The UK

Couldn't agree with that statement. Salisbury, Ely, Lincoln, Gloucester (that's stunning), Westminster Abbey etc. In fact Westminster was built in the French style by French masons. And the Yorkminster rivals anything you'll find in mainland Europe. They are iconic buildings that hold a special place in any civilized Englishman's heart.

jon357
19 Apr 2019  #180

Couldn't agree with that statement

The same. York Minster is probably the finest building of that period in Northern Europe. Durham is exceptional too. My favourite is Peterborough, with its spectacular West Front.


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