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Merkels power crumbles rapidly



Bratwurst Boy
17 Feb 2020  #31

But a far left government would probably implement a lot of identity politics and asylum policy changes that would make AfDler seeth.

The Greens aren't "far left", their electorate is mainly the "well off" so called urban "anywheres"....they don't care about the "Prekariat". They should "eat cake" if needed.

So, where should a "far left" government come from if not the Greens? The SPD? The CDU?

And then there is the refugee policy....there is no country in Europe left where a leftist refugee policy has survived with a leftist government. In Greece Syriza was kicked out of government because of the refugees....in red Italy the people voted for the Lega..in Spain the recent Melilla case shows that the left gov does not plan to open their borders to fleeing Africans and so on.

To the contrary....govs have been build where the inner social policy is combinend with a hard anti-immigration stance (Austria, Norway)

The idea that a german green chancellor will do more than waggle the moral finger is doubtful at best....

That would be drastic change from their current position

They are already changing....you must'n forget that the whole party is only a few years old.

I foresee another split...you can see the changes in East-Germany, there they differ from the party in the West already...alot more green (Heimatschutz) and social (Pensions) already...

Maybe there is place for another neoliberal AfD of old (new name?), but I fully expect a surge of a nationalist-socialist AfD (new name?) in the near future....and even more so that could become the upcoming successful political model in the whole of Europe (see Austria and Norway).

Weimarer
17 Feb 2020  #32

@Tacitus

That makes AfD even stronger. The pattern is visible. We want chaos, destroy what the liberal left holds dear.

At the moment we want destroy their institutions. Its from uttermost importance to destroy the CDU. SPD is already dead. They cant do any damage, since Germany has far right nations around it, that block migrants from reaching us.

A leftist government will give AfD even more voters.

As recent polls show in my state. AfD would win more votes and be Nr. 2 behind left. CDU would be cut in half. Greens could fail on 5% wall. FDP would be out.

Ziemowit
17 Feb 2020  #33

I fully expect a surge of a nationalist-socialist AfD (new name?) in the near future...

Nationalsozialistische Deutsche (Arbeiter)partei (NSDAP)?

Bratwurst Boy
17 Feb 2020  #34

No...more like "sozialer Nationalismus"!

Austria...with chancellor Kurz is leading the way! (With Greens in a coalition no less)

Weimarer
17 Feb 2020  #35

@Ziemowit

Merkels CDU is alot closer to NSDAP than AfD.

Merkel in her final phase gets more and more dictatorical.

She even starts cleansing action against party members who dont share her liberal left utopia.

Ziemowit
17 Feb 2020  #36

I very much hope that the AfD is at a safe distance from the right-wing extremist like "Der harte Kern" or "Soldiers of Odin" in Finland. But surprisingly enough, you yourself seem to support the idea which they want to achieve by making use of terror, namely

We want chaos

we want destroy their institutions


Weimarer
17 Feb 2020  #37

@Ziemowit

You call it terror when we use an election in parliament, place a own candidate but then vote theirs? Which leads to total chaos, Merkels sucessor stepping back, countless heads of Merkelists rolling?

I call that simply amazing planning. Use their rotten system against them.

Lyzko
17 Feb 2020  #38

Is she "stepping back" or is she out-and-out resigning from office at the end of this year?

Bratwurst Boy
17 Feb 2020  #39

...I can't help but have a niggling doubt that she will really resign as planned...

Weimarer
17 Feb 2020  #40

@Lyzko
AKK is burned away. She is political dead.

Same counts for Merkel.

You should also thank AfD. Because of us, there is chaos. Merkel has not the power to do **** like 2015 anymore. We keep her busy inside so much, that Germany basaicly is comatose in foreign politics. Neither in EU nor abroad has Germany anything to participate anymore. Thats the work of the AfD.

Thats symbiosis. Far right parties outside Germany secure us, by securing borders and we bind the Merkel regime inside. That way Germany is neutralized.

We must get rid of Merkelists and thats not just a must for Germany but for entire Europe.

It was Merkel who caused BREXIT. It was Merkel who allowed the Paris terror attacks to happen. All terrorists came in as Merkels guests.

Make no mistake, Germany by far is the most powerful nation in Europe. Without AfD there is no hope for Europe. And i place my trust in our brothers and sisters around us to protect our nation from outside, as long we struggle with Merkel. Since we bound her, she cant do **** anymore.

The most pleasing thing is to see how it affects this old hag. How she shakes whenever the german anthem is played. Its visible she suffers and thats great to see

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How she tries to hold her arms and is ashamed of her tremors.

Amazing and funny to watch. And it always happens when the german anthem is played.

AfD has broken this hag and thats awesome.

Rich Mazur
17 Feb 2020  #41

Do you guys post this stuff on some German forum, too?

Lyzko
17 Feb 2020  #42

In a word, yes.

@Weimarer,
Can't you appreciate the fact that Merkel's and Steinmeier's generation feel paralyzed by the recent past and see themselves between a rock and a hard place (sie sitzen halt zwischen zwei Stuehlen); they're damned if they do and damned if they don't?

If they don't bend over backwards to accomodate "others" in Germany, they're perceived as being racists, at best, plain insensitive.
If they accomodate the former, then people such as you label them "terrorists" or "anti-German" or some such rubbish.

They can't win!

Weimarer
17 Feb 2020  #43

@Lyzko
I want Merkel and Steinmeier seeing their ideology crumble.

And its amusing to see them crushed.

As for the migrants, i am racist. Ad is evryone around me. Its perfectly ok. Racism is immune system of any functional society.

Tacitus
17 Feb 2020  #44

where should a "far left" government come from if not the Greens?

Greens, Left party, and the SPD.

As for Weimarer, if you want to know how the Nazis behaved in Weimar, he is a living image of them. Disdain for parliamentary process, hatred against democratic politicians, and dreams of chaos. But this time we are prepared for his ilk. He can now rage as much as he wants. Thuringia will get a Far left government now, and so might Germany. What a pyrrhic victory to replace Merkel with Habeck.

johnny reb
17 Feb 2020  #45

Make no mistake, Germany by far is the most powerful nation in Europe.

Hardly impressive since Germany's land mass and GDP is not much bigger then the State of California's.
The military bases in California alone are much more powerful then all of Germanys put together.
I love my country, as do the Polish love theirs, as much as you love yours.

Tacitus
17 Feb 2020  #46

will do more than waggle the moral finger is doubtful at best

They will do less than that. They won't reform our asylum, they won't declare e.g. Tunisia to be a safe country, they wont reduce the number of family members who come, and so on. And since the next refugee wave is but a question of time, we could very well see another drastic increase in the arrival of refugees.

And on the flipside, they will probably agree to take in more of the boat arrivals in Italy. Because what is what their voters want.

Rich Mazur
17 Feb 2020  #47

In a word, yes.

In a word, name one.

Because what is what their voters want.

Show me both the referendum wording and the results.

Weimarer
17 Feb 2020  #48

@Tacitus

Thüringen gets no government. It gets a all party technocratic government, blocked in its own chaos.

Ramelow got burned away.

This is not about left. This is how to destroy the CDU.

A powerful AfD takes all stability away. I have no problem with a chancellor Habeck. He too will be too weak to rule like Merkel was able to until 2015 and it gives AfD more

power. When AfD stands as only oppossition party, thats what makes us stronger. Far above migrants. There is so much we can feed on.

Your assumptions about more migrants is wrong as well. The greens wont risk a civil war. Where they are in power (Ba-Wü) they act as the CDU. They are opportunistic cockroaches.

As you see, you are in no way prepared to deal with us. Your utopia depends on calmness. Its impossible to exist when such large masses of peopel openly fight it.

We are not interested in a compromise right now. We want chaos and instability and that is achieved. Later on we might talk. Now is not the time to talk.

The most important now is the destruction of the CDU. Then we will see what we do next.

Rich Mazur
17 Feb 2020  #49

As for the migrants, i am racist. Racism is immune system of any functional society.

Did you post this on a German forum in Germany?

Tacitus
17 Feb 2020  #50

Show me both the referendum

You can just listen to any party conference of the Green party. That is one of their key agendas. They are already blocking proposals that would make it easier to deport people to Tunisia in the Bundesrat.

Your utopia depends on calmness.

And your dystopia depends on hatred, and there is nowhere enough of it going around. Time is working against you, and you know it. The AfD will soon lose their favourite enemy Merkel, and the demographic change will decrease the voter potential of the AfD significantly.

important now is the destruction of the CDU.

This is just amusing. As if some facists in Thuringia could threaten the CDU. The firewalls are holding, and we will keep the AfD quarantined until its' more reasonable members return to the democratic parties after Merkel's term. The pitiful rest will be so toxic that cooperation with them will be a moot point anyway.

Rich Mazur
17 Feb 2020  #51

You can just listen to any party conference of the Green party.

That is so totally different from...

they will probably agree to take in more of the boat arrivals in Italy. Because what is what their voters want.

The Green party speaks for the Italian voters like I speak for the American Antifa.

Weimarer
17 Feb 2020  #52

@Rich Mazur

Yes, i post this also in a german forum.

politikforum.de

Even more so, i say it openly to my friends and colleagues. And guess what? Compared to my boss, im even moderate.

Shocks you?

Rich Mazur
17 Feb 2020  #53

Yes, i post this also in a german forum

That's good, but my question was if you posted "As for the migrants, i am racist. Racism is immune system of any functional society." Or the equivalent.

To be clear, I agree with you 100% that racism is a self-defense mechanism. It is practised by every single normal living creature with a healthy instinct of self-preservation.

Weimarer
17 Feb 2020  #54

@Rich Mazur

Of course i do.

If you want i make a specific topic there tomorrow and set link here.

Racism is positive and i see it as my core value. Wgen im abroad, i treat other races with respect. When other races are at my area as tourist, thats fine. If they try live here, they will get my full rejection. And here thats the norm.

In 2015 our mayor ripped down the only free house in our village so no migrants get settled here.

Im a competive bodybuilder and when they asked if we would allow two syrians train with us, we made clear that we would not.

The ones they tried settle in eastern Germany fave constant rejection on a massive level. They dont get served at bakery, people look at them like they are devil. Even public offices reject them in a harsh way but below what could get you into trouble. A large part of them ledt very quickly. So racism does work.

Rich Mazur
17 Feb 2020  #55

If you want i make a specific topic there tomorrow and set link here.

OK. Post "As for the migrants, I am racist. Racism is immune system of any functional society". Also: "Germany should deport all Muslims on welfare".

That would be: Was die Migranten betrifft, bin ich rassistisch. Rassismus ist das Immunsystem jeder funktionierenden Gesellschaft.
And: Deutschland sollte alle Muslime aus Wohlfahrtsgründen deportieren.

Let me know when both are up.

Lenka
17 Feb 2020  #56

they will get my full rejection

Im a competive bodybuilder and when they asked if we would allow two syrians train with us, we made clear that we would not.

Poor kid, so afraid of some competituon...

Weimarer
17 Feb 2020  #57

@Rich Mazur

Here it is

politik-sind-wir.net/showthread.php/56265-Warum-Rassismus-normal-ist?p=1422966#post1422966

That said i wrote it wider than your "deport all muslims bla bla"

I dont care about religion. I want deport all non germans. If you are not german, you should get deported. Muslims, africans, poles, chinese

@Lemka im not afraid of competition. I dont want catch tuberculosis, lice or lepra from them.

Lenka
17 Feb 2020  #58

Then all you had to do is ask them to get medical test before they joined. So cut the crap.
For all their big talk racist are scared sh*tless of letting other races stand next to them on equal ground....

Weimarer
17 Feb 2020  #59

@Lenka

Umm no, actually not, those two guys were small compared me. I just dont want them nearby.

I want only German friends and Germans around. I dont want make sports with the ISIS brigade.

Plus i believe the more they get rejected, the more they leave. And it works, all moved away. They tried join several groups. All rejected them, even the Firefighters told them to get lost.

Lenka
17 Feb 2020  #60

I want only German friends and Germans around

I understand. Who would want to expand something besides their muscle- like their horizons for example :D


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