Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 6

What about the partisans during WWII? Alot of the worst fighting happened on ukrainian territory....

"Belgorod Peoples Republic"

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They are a trend on Twitter now!

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So Russia' s approach to the war has gone from "taking Kiev in 3 days" to "to fighting guerilla groups within its' own territory. What a sh*tshow.

From what I gather from Russian military tactics in Chechnya, Aleppo, and Ukraine, it is to reduce things to rubble...to scorch the Earth. Assuming Russia pulls out a victory, how does such a tactic benefit Russia in long run? Does Russia have the means and will to rebuild Ukraine into a modern or, at least, habitable country that will not be a constant threat to Russia? Eastern Russia might be willing to let it go, but it's an extremely hard sell to Western Uke.

True... but Donetsk, Luhansk and Crimea are not russia just because some simpletons believe in an RT sponsored phony 'referendum'...

And... if we're talking about 'if it's russia then it's russia forever'.... what about Warszawa? What about XEPCOH for that matter?

CDL is Russia because Russia said so. Sue 'em.

It's a retarded analogy, Szczecin doesn't have majority German population.


Let's face it: everyone despises Russia.

Even China does, but they hide the sentiment and wait until Moscow weakens itself even more before taking back lands ceaded in the Amur Annexation.

It's a retarded comment...CDL doesn't have a majority Ukrainian population.


If this does not prove that Poles are genetically incapable of intelligent conversation nothing ever will. Really sad...

Sue... invade.... what about K and Z? supposedly russia said so there, too....


for many excellent reasons...

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Ukraine will most likely not be able to become a NATO member state in the foreseeable future as it does not meet a number of requirements for admission yet, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has said. Earlier this month, the head of the US-led military bloc, Jens Stoltenberg, declared that all member states had agreed to welcome Kiev, but only if and when it vanquished Moscow's forces.

Hey, Olaf, "most likely" is not good enough. 110% is what Russia needs and that's why 500,000 Ukrainians are dead or disabled for life and why Bakhmut and Hiroshima are sister cites.

Now, why would Olaf say THAT if NATO was not interested in Ukraine or Ukraine in NATO? Hmm...

Let me revise: a rubble-reduced meat grinder.


So, Russia is in Ukraine only to kill for the sake of killing? That would validate those who claim Russians are nothing more than Orcs.

Ask them.

Sorry, we don't have JDAMs and Hellfire missiles that home in only on the bad guys.

Tanks don't shoot. Planes don't fly. Missiles don't launch. Ships don't swim.

Also, the soldiers are all drunk, and busy preparing for surrender.

I have a question: since Russians finally took Bakhmut, why are you so upset? One would think you'd chill out a bit after such a historical victory

russian state media doesn't see Ukrainians as people.... so killing them is fine.... as is laughing about drowning and burning children to death....

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and russians don't realize why they're not admired but instead despised as the lowest of the low....

Yeah, sure. Whatever makes you feel better about what you are doing.

But, the question of how does a scorched earth policy help Russia in the long run stands.

I still to this day believe Russia's main motivation is to keep NATO from it's doorstep, which is a legitimate desire, IMO. I just wonder how the "leave it ruins" tactic will ultimately serve that aim.

I'm basically thinking out loud, as us forum dwellers can only make guesses about what Putin is thinking.

Putin stated in his address in February 2022 to the other 130 million servile Udmurtians that his aim was to eliminate Ukraine because it was a fake country. NATO has nothing to do with it.

Obviously it doesn't. The hope was to capture everything intact. Hence the deployment of paratroopers at Hostomel airport, and all the other extravagant stuff attempted - which didn't work out.

Then you decided to give the Ukrainians a shot in the arm, to even the chances vs the Russians. The rest is history.

At this point we do what makes sense. Ukraine has a thousand small cities/large villages. If 5-6 of them are turned into a moon landscape, while helping achieve the overall goals of the campaign - this is an acceptable trade.

Since I obviously have no clue what is going on inside of Russia, what is being said within Russia about the overall goal(s) of this war? Is control over eastern Uke good enough now, as opposed to occupying Kiev?

Actually, the damage is not deliberate but forced on Russia by U tactics of hiding their troops and ammo near civilians. Russia knows that one day it will have to turn ruins into habitable places. A simple way to prevent seeing your cities from being scorched is acting like the French in WW2. Paris was not scorched because the French loved Paris. Z clearly hates Ukraine.

A side benefit is the depopulation of Ukraine and the financial and ethnic crisis it causes to Poland and other enemies. Also, it's easier to kill the UA guys when you know that there are no civilians close by - very possibly Russians.

You completely miss the point of Polish national interest here. It's about a permanent solution: blocking Russia's expansion west, which is threatening to both us and the Baltic States. Basically similar to Pilsudski's plan of creating a local coalition of countries that together form a bulwark against Russian imperialism. Independent, NATO-aligned Ukraine would be our strongest ally in this plan.

US may be playing its global power games but in this instance our (and Ukrainian) interests align with American ones: we all want and need weaker, impotent Russia. But for us and Ukraine this need is not an element of global game, it's our raison d'etat.


Sometimes a country needs to wage war to assure its independent existence in the future - just like Poland fought tooth and nails against the Bolsheviks in 1919-21. Sometimes there is simply no other solution. Since the war began, Ukraine won back half of territories grabbed by Russia: large parts of Kyiv, Sumy, Chernihiv, Kharkiv and Kherson oblasts. Basically everywhere except for Donbas where they are grinding Russian forces from fortified positions and very slowly give ground.

So, lie down and take in the a$$. I can't say I blame the Ukes for not going that route.

Yet, we still control 100,000 km2 plus. This is a territory a little bit smaller than England, or approximately 45% of the United Kingdom.

I think for any European army, this would be a very decent result. Add to it that the entire Western world poured enough weapons into the place, to make Korea and Vietnam look like a joke - and you begin feeling very much "ok" about the current results. Remember that nukes have stayed out of the equation entirely, and as a Russian you feel this has not been such a disastrous exercise. Of course, many flaws within the system were revealed, many painful lessons were learned- but this all makes us stronger.


Taking Kiev is of course the ultimate prize. Without Kiev, the rest of Ukraine will be left rudderless. Naturally, you can imagine what a difficult task this represents. We may have to settle for less. In a minimal case, I think it would be the rump territories of Kherson and Zaporozhye Oblasts, and the entirety of Luhansk (accomplished) and Donetsk Oblasts (being contested). If things go poorly for the Ukrainians, I think a second attempt would be made at Kharkov and also Zaporozhye the city. A recapture of Kherson (city) would be expected. Taking Nikolayev and Odessa further westwards seems like a dream, but who knows how the Ukrainians will do.

More than 100.000 Russians dead, many more injured, possible for life. Thousands of tanks and armored vehicles destroyed.
Economic losses that will down the line accumulate to more than 1 tn€.
Russia's reputation (militarily and diplomatically) is in ruins.
All that for areas that before the war broke out were poorer than many parts of Russia and which are now in large parts thoroughly destroyed and require reconstruction money Russia does not have.

And every day more Russians die and get injured in order to keep hold of that territory.
Looks like a good deal to me.

he's russian... he has a pre-modern mindset and does not have the same kind of modern values that you find in europe or the US... it's all empire and tsars and great powers.... bunch of malarkey that russians still believe in because they're backwards and behind Europe in the evolution of their thinking....

human life doesn't mean much to him (when weighed against imperial expansion)... like a said... pre-modern and primitive....

No. Survive and enjoy life the way the French did.
When Z=P, death seems like a bad idea.

On the other hand, if I had to change to rubles to go shopping, well...then risking my life is perfectly OK, of course.

Remember, they aren't guerrilla groups.

It's a special guerrilla operation for the der*SSianisation of Greater Ukraine.


Quite, however it's probably closer to double that.

The latest analyses suggest that the metrics used by Ukraine to calculate casualty figures are more likely to be accurate than the west's. The western approach to stats hasn't changed much since WWII whereas the use of the double drone system to target r*SSian positions and other developments in artillery suggest that a far higher percentage of artillery strikes bring multiple casualties.

It's simple. There is only bad guys in any place where munitions with that magic names hit. By definition.

Russians should rename their "Gerans" as "Hellfire" and everything will change immediately. No more good guys dying, only bad ones. ;)

Here are the latest reliable figures and it's crossed the 200000 line. With many more to come. The number of dead orcs is no surprise, however what is surprising is the number of tanks lost. According to reliable commentators, Ukraine now has more r*SSian tanks than r*SSia does.

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