Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 13

You won't win anything, if you want to behave like Pol Pot.

You should spend some time in the region, and try to understand them.

Fairness is in sports, not wars. When the US fried 200,000 Japs in August 1945, nobody was thinking about "fairness".

That BS came later as "police actions" and that's why the US lost 100,000 men in K and V for shlt.

My exasperation is that it has been two and a half years and Russia is still fighting U on its own territory! On top of that, Russia is claiming NATO to pose an existential threat.

If that's the case, act accordingly. For comparison, the US never saw Japan as an existential threat. Yet, the US concluded that war by throwing everything it had at them to get a total and unconditional surrender in about 3 and a half years. I only wish the US had more nukes then...

The difference between them is that while Russia can declare 'victory' and go home at any time, Ukraine cannot.

@Korvinus
Indeed

Russian Federation can claim victory simply by stating that "The West" was unable to crush the Russian military and "For the good of slavdom and Russian might" will give a chance to Ukraine to better it's relationship with all Slavs by trusting the people of Ukraine to uphold peace and stability without "glorious Russian army" to counter western and especially American hegemony

Or something similar

to achieve that effect Putin will have to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO in the peace agreements - and as far as I can tell this would be the most contetious point of Putin's demands

barbarians and murderers can often find common language - the relations between Russia and Israel were quite cordial before the Syria civil war
as of now the biggest dividing issue between Russia and Israel are their attitudes to Iran, in my opinion

@gumishu
That is rather easy, just make an agreement about stalling to join NATO for 30 000 years and to buy any forms of nuclear equipment mainly from Russia and not U.S.A.

That way Ukraines constitution about joining NATO becomes countered and mute basically and increases funding for Russias nuclear industry, while Ukraine feels safe enough to agree.

Question is if Russia would dear propose such a daring move and if U.S.A gonna be silent about it

the thing is this is not really the case: to save his face Putin would have to show his people that this war (Russian stopped calling it "special millitary operation" some time ago already) was not for nothing - and this is found in the peace conditions Russians officially presented (some of you might have missed it) about a month ago: these peace conditions include ceding Donetsk and Lugansk, Zaporozhe and Kherson oblasts, Ukraine not joining NATO and Ukraine only being allowed to have 300 000 strong army in the peace time

No... it's really not.

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But to make sure russians don't get too upset about that they're starting to block youtube....

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Is this why?

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F16s now in Ukraine. Will be interesting to see thier impact. Russia has bonus money for them being shot down.

russia's doubled the signing bonus for front line meat....

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Weirdly they're also increasing medical school fees

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I suspect students will be offered the chance to work near the front for reduced fees.....

And..... (craziest part last) they're training postmen to be healthcare providers in the boonies....

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Oh yeah... everything's coming up russia.....

The war is wrecking Russia.

"We're winning, it's just really slow!" might work for a year, or 2 years. But we're going on 3 years of Russians hopping into clown cars and exploding by the dozens every single day.

...while Ukraine is escaping unscathed...That Z guy is a genius...

The US wars, on the other hand, would bring Hitler's blitzkriegs to shame - that how short they were:

War in Afghanistan... 19.9 years
Vietnam War ... 19.4 years
War on ISIS 2014 - present ... 10.1 years
Iraq War ...8.7 years

Russia will declare victory when it wins. And win it will...

When every last UA guy is gone from CDL
When it is sure U is not planning to join NATO

See how simple things really are...

Advancing in unsustainable peace doesn't mean winning. If RU continues advancing at this speed, they would need decades to get only Luganda and Dongabe. Winning is archiving all strategic objectives, and IMO both sides will most likely fail to archive their strategic objectives.

And... having to serve in military for years and suffer Dedovshchina, be second class citizen in your own country, be used as meatwave to restore USSR while the Kremlin sends a lot of Central Asians to repopulate your city and sleep with your wife, having any government official able to arrest and punish you and you being guilty till proven innocent, people who had relatives killed by Bolsheviks being forced to worship Bolsheviks, local business being destroyed or stolen by KGB/FSB...

I see math is not your forte.

If Russian forces continue to move at the pace they have been moving these past weeks (1 km per day), it would take only 6 months to reach the Dnieper River.

To capture Luhansk and Donetsk would then take less - obviously.

There's a reason why there is panic in Kiev, and now daily noises about openness to negotiations.

We have restrooms for diarrhea...

Since May, Russia has captured the following settlements only in the Avdeevka direction:

1) Avdeevka
2) Mariinka
3) Opytne
4) Krasnogorovka
5) Lastochkyne
6) Severnoye
7) Vodiane
8) Pervomayskoye
9) Netalniye
10) Umanskoye
11) Orlovka
12) Semenovka
13) Berdychi
14) Novobakhmutovka
15) Ocheretyne
16) Keramik
17) Arkhangelskoye
18) Novoselka Pervaya
19) Novoaleksandrovka
20) Sokol
21) Yevgeneevka
22) Progress
23) Vovche
24) Novokalinovka
25) Stepove

More settlements were taken in the North, near Kharkov.

Further settlements were taken in the South, at the site of last year's failed offensive. There, all Ukrainian gains have been erased.

So when you talk about decades to get out of Luhansk and Donetsk, you look very silly indeed.

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...and a total blackout on American TV networks...Zero.

I guess that "Ukraine is winning" bullshlt has got old...


In other words, you look like a mindless Russia-hating moron...

My 2-year-old first granddaughter was "silly" when she told me she didn't like me...

Sorry, Bobko, I know that you know English but I just couldn't resist the urge...

And how many settlements did Ukraine conquer or reconquer?

Dude, your fake news and russian propaganda is just very low bar...

A half of one, and a half of another. Both in Kharkov Oblast, during a counter assault against the Russian forces that entered at the beginning of the summer.

Literally - not a single settlement fully recaptured.


What's fake? You will see the same map on the Institute for the Study of War website, or DeepState.ua (affiliated with UA Ministry of Defense).

I just used that map because you can still read the names of the settlements there.

K, look at the big picture and ask yourself this question:

After all the Russian casualties, after the referendums, after the billions Russia has spent, after CDL was formally made part of Russia, what is more likely:

1. Russia will use every available weapon to keep CDL and keep it for the next 100 years, or
2. Russia will turn tail, say oops, and just leave...

Now, try not to be a sentimental Polish idiot and pick one.

I gave him the big picture and he called it fake news and Russian propaganda.

Impossible to argue with such people.

Is it?

At least you've dropped the pretense that this is anything that Ukrainians want..... I remember before Feb 2022 putain fluffers were predicting that Ukrainians would be overjoyed to see the russian army....

And taken.... how many people are in those places? How many buildings are standing?

How's that Black Sea Fleet doing?

I have never heard of any of those settlements apart from Avdiivka - I bet in total there are less than 10.000 people there in all the rest.

Nevertheless I pity every one of them that has to live with drunk North Nigerian soldiers, pilfering their houses and defecating in their gardens.

How the hell are your rust bucket tanks and dipsomaniac soldiers going to reach the Dnepr with no air cover, no medical supplies and only crappy North Korean ammo ?

They are small villages, but much more in aggregate than 10,000.


The area we are currently doing most of the fighting in - the Avdeevka direction - is very densely populated. The entire area is known as the Donetsk Urban Agglomeration. One settlement begins, where the previous one ends.

Some of these towns were suburbs of Donetsk, where people kept their summer houses and gardens. Others were made up of workers of nearby coal mining and metallurgical concerns.

This is why the fighting in the East seems like it is constantly urban.

However, after approx. Mirnograd (we are about 12-15 km away now) the towns stop, and the wild fields begin. In these fields there are no fortifications... no place to hide. These fields extend all the way to the Dnieper, leading to huge cities like Zaporozhye and Dnepropetrovsk.

The first 2.5 years of this war, have been mainly focused with grinding through that extremely dense patch of settlement surrounding the city of Donetsk. The Ukrainians had ten years to fortify these areas, and used them to strike Donetsk.

after russia invaded..... make sure you always include that.... russia does more harm to neighboring countries than any other.