Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 13

Well, not "a country". Not just any country.

However, one country did. The only country in modern history who managed to achieve global domination by waging wars, instigating political coups, bribery and assasinations all over the world. All this allowed the said country to force its currency down everybody's throat as the main reserve currency of the world. Worthless paper, without real backing in anything. Where's your industry? You moved it to China. Where are your trade goods? I don't recall seeing anything made in the USA in European stores. Gold standard is history, so what you are buying goods for from all over the world is politically enforced fiat money... not even paper because these days it's electric impulses on electronic devices. Complete and utter fraud.

Why do you think Americans are able to consume that much of everything compared not only to China, Russia, Brazil or India but even to Europe? Are you so much more hard-working than everybody else? Yeah, right. Are you so much more intelligent than everyone else? I shall refrain from commenting. Maybe it's your amazing integrity and social coherence? Yeah, right - the fentanyl zombies, lgbtppanc and the entire woke cancel culture (your invention!).

Why do you think America goes to war, or at least instigates a coup or kills a couple of uncomfortable persons, every time anyone even tries to undermine dollar? Precisely because of the reasons I mentioned.

Whatever there's left of that former brilliant engineer's brain, Novi, put it to work - THINK.


The fact that you're cheering for Russia, when Russian/Chinese (they're best pals now) victory would mean huge crisis for America that you haven't seen since 1929, means that you either hate your country, yourself and your children/grandchildren or you are so much in favour of fair play and more fair division of wealth in the world.

If it's the latter, then I salute you and have no problem at all with your attitude. :)

And here...


You are proving my point. If China sold all the US bonds that they hold, the dollar would turn into toilet paper (a low quality toilet paper at that).

@Torq
While I agree with a lot of what you say about the US, China selling its bonds would require a buyer. And who would that be? As you said about wars, and killing, who is going to try to take the US down with China? And what will China do when the US stops all trade with them and siezes all China's assets in the US? Russia? Not a chance, because that would lead to direct conflict and the end of the world. Europe? No way they want to be cut off from the US. Maybe Australia? South America? Africa? My point being is that I agree with you that the US really is the global mafia military and thats not going to stop unless there is big change in the US. China isnt going to be the country who breaks the US, only the US can continue to break itself.

Exactly.

Also, why would China do that if they are profiting from the system as well? They need you as much as you need them. The entire conflict between China/Russia and the US is about a more equal division of wealth/power, that's all. I was just trying to point out to Novi that things are a little bit more complicated than poor America financing the entire world through trade deficits and losing jobs because of "parasitic Euros" blah blah blah yadda yadda


Not at the moment certainly. But if Europe keeps being constantly humiliated and told how they are parasites, freeloaders etc. then... nothing is set in stone.


That indeed they are. And that's another thing that I would like Novi to understand - no matter if it's a democratic president or a republican one, there won't be a major shift in US foreign policies; internal - yes, quite possibly - but not the foreign ones. Precisely because of the facts that you and I mentioned - they are all taking care of America's best interest and this won't change. That's why it's so weird to see Novi cheering for Russia/China. Unless he really thinks that America should now become much poorer and Russia/China much richer. That's the only way I can explain his ramblings.

well russia is among the most highly stratified countries with the majority living in poverty or close to it while a tiny elite steals anything that's not nailed down.... China is coming off the best 50 or so years any country in world history has had but will probably crash since the terrible Xi (worst Chinese leader since Mao) has taken power.

I don't want russia or communist China to have a bigger share of wealth or power in the world....


Harris probably doesn't care (anymore than Obama did) and with Trump it depends. Trump is a notorious bad judge of character and not so good on follow through. I suspect that nothing much will change... maybe Trump will lift some of the ridiculous restrictions placed on Ukraine or maybe not.

There was a big foreign policy change (for the better) from Obama to Trump and not much change from Trump to Biden but I dont' think the presidents had much to do with it. There was a turnover in the bureaucrats who actually keep things running...


The old saw about ugly americans has a source....

Well, Nixon wanted to return to the gold standard but somebody slammed that gate right into his face.

No. It was during Stalin. Now is different. Russia is better.

If the trend continues it will not take very long.

There is no way this unmanageable pile of crap with an annual deficit of 2 trillion can pay off a 40 trillion dollar debt.

All the BS Torq is talking about is fake sophistry. The US is economically, ethnically, and morally in the last phase of decay.

A country that drowns in debt and imports everything - including people - is NOT SUSTAINABLE. Duh!

Hey, Torq, I like Russia because Russia hates NATO. I do, too. The enemy of my enemy...

Serbian views on Russian immigration

it's by far majority approval, but compared to no limits millions of nig@ers pouring into western Europe, it's a much better option... 🙂

I just heard. Sultan Erdogan wants to war with Israel.

I'm sure there are secret talks about a prisoner exchange....even as I don't know about belorussian prisoners in Germany....


reuters.com/world/europe/belarus-says-german-national-rico-krieger-asks-pardon-media-2024-07-30/

Maybe that:

...Among those Moscow would like to free is Vadim Krasikov, a Russian serving a life sentence in Germany for murder - an exchange that would require Berlin to get something in return....

I would enjoy watching this tremendously. NATO's number two military squaring up against America's favorite lapdog.

Unlike the Arabs, the Turks may manage to defeat Israel - if America does not get involved. But America will definitely get involved, and that's why this scenario is fantasy. More likely, if a Turkish military operation becomes a serious possibility, the war in Gaza will be rapidly wrapped up. Which is maybe what Erdogan's plan is.

Raising the ante can explode in your face, however.

If they do go for Israel, just as a hypothetical, I don't think it would be through Lebanon, but from the sea. Perhaps some kind of naval embargo against Israel. Then, everyone would wait to see if Israel has the balls to use one of their submarines to sink a Turkish frigate.

Turkey is in NATO....as is Germany!

I can't see Germany letting an "ally" attack the jewish state!

...but then I dunno what we would want to do about it.....

Yes, but Germany is absolutely fine observing the Jewish State perpetuate a slow burning genocide against defenseless people.

Just because you executed a genocide against them, doesn't mean you have to close your eyes to the new genocide.

What Israel is doing to Palestinians is on a much bigger scale than what was done in Srebrenica. It's on a bigger scale than what Saddam did to the Kurds in Halabja.

To find something in excess of Gaza now, you have to go to the Tutsis and Hutus in Rwanda.

Why does Germany not care? Because of Oct. 7th? That attack justifies the killing of tens of thousands, including women and children?

I think if you turn on your brain you will not have much difficulty imagining how people will look at this in 10-20-30 years. Emotions will subside, and people will ask "how did you let this happen?".

Well....I bet Hamas, and these cheering supporters who spit at the victims as they were paraded past them, bloody and scared to death, to an horrible fate, are having regrets now...I hope!


I guess it's alot about revenge....

The world hadn't had much empathy for the civilians in Dresden either....and understandably so! Or did the Russians care about the german women in Berlin as the Red Army came?

Do they now?

But they are going too far, BB.

You know I always supported Israel but this is madness - Netanyahu vetoed the evacuation of sick and wounded Gazan children from the war zone, and three days ago they bombed a school in Deir al Balah, killing over 50 civilians.

Yes, majority of Gazan people supported Hamas, but were those children among the supporters? This continuous Israeli assault on the entire civilian population of Gaza has to stop. Even revenge has its limits.

Me, too. And then some say that Russia didn`t urinate NATO.

Dearest BB... what are you comparing?

1) Israel has a GDP of $560B. Gaza has a GDP of $18B. That is, about 30X smaller.

2) Gazans live inside a big open air prison, surrounded by walls and barbed wire, and under a total naval embargo.

3) One time, they managed to pull off an attack on a scale that they had never managed before - and killed 1,200 Israelis. Since then, 40,000+ Gazans have been killed in retaliation, or more than 2% of the population. For Israel to lose 2% of its population, would mean losses of around 200,000 people.

So you want to compare an attack lasting half a day, and killing 1,200 people - with 4 years of occupation, 27 million dead, tens of thousands of villages and towns erased from the map forever, and a complete destruction of the economy?

What would be a more apt comparison, is if in retaliation for 9/11, America went to Afghanistan and spent a year dropping 2 ton bombs on every single high rise residential building in Kabul and Kandahar. But even America did not do that...

How when all the time more children are being murdered?

Someone should take out the iranian puppet-player behind all this....without them there would be peace already....


The hate and the thirst for revenge is the same, isn't it....


But they got the mastermind behind all this....the ultimate revenge! Their thirst was satisfied, there was a real end to close that chapter!

Gaza is still an open wound....sore and oozing and stinking and hurting.....

The way Americans fight, and the way Israelis fight - cannot be compared.

I'm not a big fan of the US military, but they at least make an effort at fairness. In Iraq and Afghanistan their guys often had huge bags of money in their trucks. The purpose - to compensate people for damages to their homes, during the midnight "no knock" raids.

If some American soldier sat on your table and broke it, or dropped your laptop by accident - they would draft a protocol on the spot, and give you cash.

From Israel, there are daily videos on Twitter and TikTok, of their soldiers acting like total savages. Breaking musical instruments for fun, breaking home appliances, chucking furniture out the balcony - just out of pure malice. The joy, is that when those Gazans return home, they'll receive this warm message from the IDF.

There's videos of them using Palestinian civilians as target practice. There's videos of them beating mentally ill people. There are videos of them manhandling small children, as if they are animals and not human beings. This is a lawless army, not much better than Hamas.

They record all their crimes, because they are assured of their own impunity. They know nothing will be done to them.

Read the news from Israel today, where a bunch of orthodox radicals are rioting because some criminals were arrested.

Sure. Go after their leaders. Kill them, their families, their barbers, and everyone in their home town whose name starts with letter "B", for example. But have limitations. Set limits to what you want to do and stick to it. Attacking the entire civilian population of a country/region is a bit too much, even for revenge purposes.

Sort of torn out of the context, and not quite judicious use of the quote, but Nietzsche once wrote in "Beyond Good and Evil" that:

"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you."

Israel should be careful that they do not turn into the monsters that their grandparents escaped from. What a tragedy that would be.

Precisely.

They are called "Judeo-Christian" values, but sometimes the "Judeo" part is hard to discern.

In the same way I don't think Germany is West, I think Israel is East.

What do we know about the East?

The East is ancient.

The East is a riddle.

The East is cruel.

The East is patient.

It means Judeo-Russian.

Israel is very Russian. Not just in terms of population origin, or who sits in Netanyahu's cabinet.

Russian is the number three language in Israel, after modern Hebrew and Arabic.

That's why it's so curious that right now Moscow and Tel Aviv can't find a common language.

I will explain it to you very simply. Each considers the other a barbarian and a murderer, that's why they don't talk to each other because you don't talk to barbarians.

x.com/Megatron_ron/status/1817487264202596747/

Considering that tiny Israel, has managed to kill more innocents in microscopic Gaza, in 9 months, than Russia has killed innocent Ukrainians in almost three years - we know who is the irredeemable savage.

Israel is a wild dog, and America has to put it back on the leash.

Israel on a leash will only strengthen HAMAS again....and all the other islamist terrorists.

Just in case you forgot about it, Israel is the West in that region....and muslim terrorists fight the West....that is US...that is you and me....in the US...in Europe....if they are done with Israel (because it can't fight accordingly, on a leash and all that)then its us again....

All that sympathy for the terrorists is so stupid! There is a bloody cruel war going on and Westerners demand our side should fight with one hand shackled behind the back....good luck!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

PS: The allies on a leash wouldn't had won WWII either!

PPS: Guys....I will so miss these talks....