Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 13

People expect the war to end after Russia reaches the administrative borders of the oblasts that we declared as annexed. There's no appetite for a total mobilization, which is what would be necessary to annex Ukraine entirely. People are starting to get tired of the war, but nowhere near the extent to which the Ukrainians are tired of it.

"we" is doing a lot of work in that sentence.... we.... ha ha ha ha!!!!!


Who cares? They think what they're told to think and that's the way they like it.

It's an infantile mentality that wants to be fed, taken care of and told what to do.... why Bobko thinks that's appealing to other people is a mystery.

Russian people will revolt when sanctions continue to demolish your economy.

No they won't.

I do.
Do you think this tiredness will affect Putin or is he completely dismissive of public opinion?

A great point! May as well carry on as Russia is not making any real progress.Why should Ukraine give Russia a breather so that they can rearm?


HaHaHaHa....... are you seriously misinformed or just a liar?
When did Russians start obeying laws?Even the ones they imposed?


Really?? Is that needed??This is a bloody war!!


There is not much left to mobilize......

I think the majority of Russians are patriotic but after two years with no gain and a lot of pain, they are becoming less patriotic.......

I never claimed that the D and C referenda were democratic. I never claimed that North Korea us a democracy. That makes you a double liar.

Name one, the subject, and my opponent or STFU.

Putin is a slave to public opinion. He's a traditional populist, and I don't mean that in a bad way. If anything he does too much to appease public opinion (not talking about anything military related).

I don't mean this as a dig against the population at large, but... they don't really know what's good for them always. For example, why it's important to develop strong institutions or tolerate a liberal opposition. That is, it actually makes Putin more popular when he hammers the opposition and jails them. People get upset if somebody dies suddenly (Navalny), but if they're sitting in jail and not for too long - people don't mind.

The people don't like migrants. Meanwhile Putin knows full well that Russia needs migrants to continue growing. Yet, he publicly endorses measures that make immigration to Russia difficult.

So basically - when there is a choice between something that is in Russia's long term interests, and what is popular - Putin will 80% of the time go for what's popular.

He's a politician. He's not from Mars.

Liar! You claimed they were more democratic than US elections!


Darling, there were so many losses of yours to me that I lost the count.

I asked Nazitus so fvck off...

@Novichok


Just a few examples of you defending/praising the "referendum" in Crimea

In #256, 261

#850

The search function is pretty bad and a lot of threads have seemingly disappeared, but evidence is still there. And we all remember it.


You mean aside from the current one?

Most people on this forum run circles around you whenever you try to weigh in with your ignorance. About guns, various countries in Europe, Poland, the invasion of Ukraine. It is always the same. You make some stupid claim, often whataboutism, it gets debunked and you repeat it some time later.

Will go to bed now. I am very curious how the situation in Kursk Oblast will look like tomorrow.

You summed him up perfectly.

Hey, stupid, you said that I lost a lot of arguments.

Arguing needs two people. One is a winner, the other is a loser.

Who is the winner in the "current one"?

You are too sloppy and stupid to have a conversation with me. Get lost.

As far as the referendum in Crimea, it's up to the Russia haters to prove that it was corrupt. I don't have to do anything.

@Novichok


Considering I just proved you a liar yet again, I'd say that is pretty obvious.


Crybaby. You lost once again, get over it. It is not like losing has bothered you before. Just call me names and whatever to make you feel better.

On a more important note, do we have a current map of Ukraine's offensive into Kursk oblast?

The insults always come out when you're losing.

You didn't want to talk to me anymore after I asked you to point out where I'd said something you'd accused me of that was untrue.

You quoted me yesterday when I replied to Milo so that didn't last long. Hoping enough time had elapsed that I'd just forget?

BTW, you still haven't answered my question. How many kids dead from gunshot wounds are too many?

You're nothing but a fraud who insults or ignores when you've lost the argument. So easy to run rings around!

Now Karen, what where you saying yesterday about staying On-Topic ? 😮
In Novi's defense......he sure kicks your ass when you try to insult him one on one.
Is that why you seldom engage him one on one with your insults or do you just wait to round up your wagons, gang up on, attack, diminish and shame game that you are so notorious for. Hoot !

Will there be a referendum in Kursk on becoming independent or joining Ukraine? With SBu counting the votes.

Bobko, where are you? We need explanations.

Remember how Russian propaganda advertised the newly built fortifications at the Ukrainian-Russian frontier last year. There are apparantly now news according to which those fortifications were never finished, which in return meant there was little to stop the Ukrainians.

What would have thought embezzelment may become a problem in a highly corrupt dictatorship like Russia?

I don't believe ANYTHING coming out of Russia and you shouldn't either.

All the money for tech development was stolen, all the copper wires were stolen, all the fuel for training was stolen, 90% of employed technicians and pilots don't exist and their payments were stolen.

All the data is made up, footage cheap photoshop, medals were printed and handed out for bribes.

I'm here)

What do you want answers to? If there will be a referendum regarding the independence of the Kursk People's Republic? If Zelensky has started an operation to demilitarize and denazify Kursk Oblast?

I think... there's a difference between pushing through lines that were fortified over ten years, and engaging in joyrides between sparsely defended villages and fields.

When you look at the map, and you see a large shape indicating Ukraine's advance, it doesn't mean the same thing as it does along other sectors of the front. Since much of that area is covered by the fog of war, the map makers are relying on geolocated photos to sketch out supposed lines of Ukrainian control.

In reality, the actual map might look more like a slice of Swiss cheese. Sort of like Russia's control over Kiev Oblast looked enormous from a macro perspective, but quite a bit less impressive when zoomed in.

It will take a week or two for a contiguous front line to form there, if it will. The Ukrainians are pulling up engineering equipment and anti air defenses behind their advance. So it does indicate that they want to try to entrench themselves there.

The Ukrainians did not send "Russian Nazis" this time, but actual AFU formations. Perhaps units representing a total of up to 8 brigades. They did not send "fresh" units like in last year's failed counteroffensive, but combat tested veteran units.

Their origin seems to be the Belarus, Chernigov, and Sumy border regions. The Ukrainians seem to have made a calculation that Russia won't be attacking through Belarus again, and not through the Bryansk/Chernigov border either.

This is a wild gamble by their side. If things don't go their way, they now have nothing to protect those northern areas with, without peeling off forces elsewhere.

Losing these elite, and full-blooded formations in Kursk, while the situation is critical in Donetsk - would probably be the beginning of the end of this war. The November US Presidential elections are getting nearer, so the time to do something dramatic is running out.

Beginning of the end ? You sound like PolAm s as of his prediction that North Nigerian rusty tanks will be in Kiev by the end of July

As for waiting for the US election - well if that is your final strategy it probably needs thinking through. All the momentum is with the normal politicians and morons and weirdos like Trump and Vance may never see power

Sure would be a shame if Ukraine started attacking across more frequently, eh?

Now that Ukraine military stockpiles have recovered from that 4 month retardation of US politicians.

Russia had more than 2 years to prepare for such an eventuality. Yet they utterly failed doing so. What an embarassment.

Previously they would attack into Belgorod. Now they can't do that as easily, because Russia created a buffer zone on the Kharkov Oblast/Belgorod Oblast border.

So they attacked a little bit higher up.

This "genius"-level of trickery was... enough to completely flat foot Russia.

I really have a hard time seeing how we are going to be fighting NATO, lol. What saves us now, is that our cosmic levels of ineptitude are matched by Ukrainian retardation. In a fight between two retards, the bigger retard will usually win - thank God.

But what if the other side is not retarded, or not fully retarded??

Yeah sure, it is the Ukrainians who are fighting retarded here ;)

Let's wait and see if this was retarded or genius.

Germany's BILD is awed:

Russian soldiers surrender in GROUPS and are taken prisoner by the Ukrainians. On Russian territory.

The Ukrainian army breaks through Putin's defense lines, the Russians find no way to stop it.

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They are not soldiers.

They are border guards. They sh*t their pants, and they gave up.

Of course, compared to the guys that act like the living dead in Donetsk, these border guards are soft as cheese. The men in Donetsk don't react to shells exploding 15 meters away from them, while these guys fold after an AFV lights their checkpoint up with 30MM fire.

Ukraine is using very experienced guys, against our dudes that have been acting out some kind of militia role-playing game.

The Ukrainians attacking these men, are hard as nails. So they will have to harden up quickly to resist them.

@cms neuf
Hey a$$hole, I never predicted Russia would be in Keiv at any point. FO!