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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 13



mafketis
14 Aug 2024  #631

You are a Nazi apologist too now?

Since when is Kant a Nazi?

His wikipedia page mentions nothing of it....

Although... since for russians 'nazi' means 'anyone opposed to russian imperialist and/or revanchist aims' then yeah.... in that sense I am.

I'm certainly not a nazi in the meaning 'supporter of German Naional Socialism'.... that stuff stank.

russia's rehabilitation of Stalin has just(?) ramped up...

x.com/fatimatlis/status/1823341390723440839

That make you an apologist for the purges and holodomor?

Bobko
14 Aug 2024  #632

I like that stain.

As is your right. Also, you don't deny America's imperialist tendencies - so it's all kosher.

After Mexico, America squeezed some island dwellers out of their Hawaii. Then it fabricated the explosion of its own ship in Havana harbor (USS Maine), to declare war on Spain. From Spain it took Cuba, Puerto Rico, the Philippines, and a bunch of islands in the Pacific.

Puerto Rico is still a US territory, and effectively a colony. Same goes for Samoa, Guam, and Hawaii.

America is good at going around the world and reading us lectures, but it doesn't live by its own rules.

Since when is Kant a Nazi?

So you want Kaliningrad returned to the Germans out of respect for metaphysics?

mafketis
14 Aug 2024  #633

want Kaliningrad returned to the Germans out of respect for metaphysics?

They did more with the city than anyone else ahs, and russia let is slip into ruin and decay... I'm for what works and russian rule... doesn't work in any kind of western context.



But I still think the Czechs should have first crack at it...

Bobko
14 Aug 2024  #634

In general - if you want two countries that have been at war nearly constantly - that's the United States and Russia.

The Ukrainians, they are not invaders/conquerors. To them, it seems suicidal and absolutely illogical to invade someone. They have the mentality of a peasant - hoarding his produce, and slowly becoming richer. To them war is anathema.

That's why they didn't believe America when it said Russia was ready to invade.

But Russia has been fighting always. In Chechnya, in Serbia, in Georgia, in Syria, in the Donbas.

America - as another fighting country - understood what Russia was doing, but our Ukrainian cousins could not.

Two thugs can understand each other.

pawian
14 Aug 2024  #635

They have the mentality of a peasant -

While Russians have the mentality of Mongol slaves - they obey their cruel masters without a word of protest or complaint. That is why Russian rulers have been able to wage their imperial wars - having such easy cannon fodder as Russian subjects at disposal.

I definitely prefer a Ukrainian peasant to a Russian Mongol slave.

Two thugs can understand each other.

Exactly - Novi and Bobko, for example. hahahaha

Novichok
14 Aug 2024  #636

Also, you don't deny America's imperialist tendencies - so it's all kosher.

I love when America kicks ass. I have a problem with Russia haters who go apeshit when Russia does a lot less. The other problem of mine is that the US does too many things either for free or for the benefit of 1% while the lower 99% gets screwed. Like what fvcking benefit do I get from the Baltics in NATO? A risk of war with Russia? That's my reward?

From the existential POV, Russia is on a ground that is 100 times more solid relative to Ukraine than the US ever was with Iraq.

Two thugs can understand each other.

There is nothing wrong with being a thug. Swift justice in the hoods where the Italian mob ruled supreme made those hoods peaceful and family-friendly. Then came Soros DAs...stupid black bit*ches with an agenda of social justice. Stores are closing and the hood is hell..

I want Nazis back...Or the Italian mob...whatever...

Korvinus
14 Aug 2024  #637

In this thread, Ruskies and their bootlickers (I am looking at you Novichok) continue to insist that Ukraine advancing into Russian territory in a few weeks as much as Russia has advanced in Ukraine since the start of the year is not meaningful. In fact, they still continue to confess to being confused as to what Ukraine is even trying to accomplish. Sometimes while stating that Russia will undo the Ukrainian advances in a few months, weeks, or even days.

I am not sure why they think Russia will be able to undo 800+ km2 in losses so quickly when the most Russia has gained in any other sector since the start of the year is less than 400 km2 (Avdiivka sector) but maybe it has something to do with thinking Russia has been holding back and is now going to get serious for real this time. No more joking around or playing mr. nice guy. Seriously.

This video breaks down the incorrect assumption of inevitable Russian victory driving such magical thinking quite well. But it comes down to the fact that they just axiomatically believe that Russia is a great power that cannot possibly be beaten by some smaller country. This isn't a rational belief they have reached logically. It is something they just accept as true as one of their baseline assumptions about the world. So any event must be interpreted by them to follow the assumption that Russia is going to win. Which makes this recent Ukrainian offensive in Kursk so very hard to process for them.



Novichok
14 Aug 2024  #638

in Ukraine since the start of the year is not meaningful.

Because it is from the mil POV. What do you, Russia hater, think this will accomplish beyond a morale boost for a week or two? Z's office at the Kremlin by Christmas?

It will merely **** off Russians even more and speed up the inevitable end of Ukraine as a viable country.

Z should have ignored that British wh0re, Boris, in the spring of 2022.

Would the US tolerate Mexico joining a hostile military pact?
Yes or no?

Use the "more likely than not" approach.

Bobko
14 Aug 2024  #639

Russia will be able to undo 800+ km2 in losses so quickly when the most Russia has gained in any other sector since the start of the year is less than 400 km2

Do you need me to help you see the difference between 4-6 meter deep concrete bunkers, double and triple deep trenches, minefields, barbed wire, and constant surveillance.... and empty fields in Kursk?

The Ukrainians are having their own debate about whether or not it makes sense to pull back now, or actually commit to the huge exercise of preparing themselves for an occupation of Russian territory.

mafketis
14 Aug 2024  #640

at war nearly constantly - that's the United States and Russia

Some time ago a Ukrainian told me that russia is intent on copying what it thinks the US is about (without understanding the deeper context) because russians think if they copy the US then the US will respect them and what they want more than anything else is respect from the US.....

I completely dismissed the idea at the time but you make a good case for it....

Bobko
14 Aug 2024  #641

you make a good case for it

So the United States has not been at war, with someone or another, for the entirety of its existence as an independent country?

Can you point me at another country that has been engaged in more wars than the US?

mafketis
14 Aug 2024  #642

Looking for a new crush?

Korvinus
14 Aug 2024  #643

And now time for some music to calm everyone down.


pawian
14 Aug 2024  #644

Would the US tolerate Mexico joining a hostile military pact?
Yes or no?

Yes! Mexico can freely join Warsaw Pact and the US won`t mind!!!

Miloslaw
14 Aug 2024  #645

And now time for some music to calm everyone down.

A nice tune, but it has not calmed me down, because this poor girl no longer has a pretty country to sing about.... the Russians have destroyed most of it, like the mindless imbeciles they are........Russia needs to be ostrasized for many, many years...... they need to learn a strong lesson.

Novichok
14 Aug 2024  #646

Russia needs to be ostrasized for many, many years...

I have an idea...Let's send France and Germany to take on Russia.
The first two attempts almost worked...

Novichok
15 Aug 2024  #647

A reader's comment:

The SMO was support for removing the Ukraine from the Donbas and other regions that broke away from the Ukraine, it was to liberate those areas specifically. The fighting has been limited to those areas (with attacks on "military" infrastructure in other parts of the country).

What people do not recognize is that this incursion into the Kursk is not about disputed territories. It is an act of war between Ukraine and Russia the same way Pearl Harbor was between Japan and the USA.

This now opens a full and open war and can now legitimately go all the way to the Polish border


cms neuf
15 Aug 2024  #648

But North Nigeria is not able to go to Kiev, the Polish border or basically anywhere

They don't have the weapons or men, they are drunk and incompetent and the Ukrainians are clearly able to strike big North Nigerian towns, even Moscow, with missiles and drones.

PolAmKrakow
15 Aug 2024  #649

Ukraine continues to advance in Russia. Russia now hiring people to dig trenches 30 miles inside of their borders. This Ukraine move could really be a game changer for them, and Vlad cant be happy with having to evacuate so many people. Also very interesting, Germany issued an arrest warrant for a Ukraine man in relation to the Nord Stream explosion. The warrant went to Poland but the Ukraine man left the country before he could be detained. Not looking like Russia blew up its own pipeline like the leftist press wanted everyone to believe.

Bratwurst Boy
15 Aug 2024  #650

.....and it makes so much more sense! And understandable, from an ukrainian point of view....still....it did threw quite the wrench in our works!

PolAmKrakow
15 Aug 2024  #651

Whats great concerning this war is now the United States is giving military economic hardship bonus money to American military personell. That economic hardship money equals $20 a month. The Biden administration is trying to block those payments now. But they sent 200 billion to Ukraine. So while I am happy to see Ukraine making moves in Russia and actually doing something, this is another example of why so many American people want this war to end, and want to stop funding Ukraine. Anyone who doesnt understand those optics is fvcking retarded.

Korvinus
15 Aug 2024  #652

What people do not recognize is that this incursion into the Kursk is not about disputed territories

IMO, Ukraine could just give a bit of Russian insanity back to Russia.

Like having independence "referendums" completely legit via Google Forms and a warning "please, only vote if you are a Belgorot resident" and showing the results before the election is even finished. And a 171% approval for Belgorod and Kursk People's Republic creation being made.

After it, Ukraine could say that it is in favor of peace talks if Russia moves out of the Kursk and Belgorod People's Republic, then they can start talking about how Russia must be demilitarized and become defenseless. With less military capability than Germany after the Treaty of Versailles, and in the case that Russia is invaded, Ukraine has the veto power to veto any foreign aid to Russia.

Russia being treated by its neighbors like it treats its neighbors would be amazing. Sadly would't happen.

cms neuf
15 Aug 2024  #653

North Nigerian fascists today jailed a poor woman for making a 50 dollar donation to a Ukrainian charity.

Nice proportional sentence - 12 years inside

North Nigeria remains the worlds biggest prison camp - any negotiations that leave parts of Ukraine in the hands of the fascists will condemn millions of citizens to this mean and miserable existence

PolAmKrakow
15 Aug 2024  #654

@cms neuf
WOW thats just worse than the UK giving a man 20 months for posting his thoughts on Facebook. Thank god the UK is so much better than Russia.

cms neuf
15 Aug 2024  #655

What has the UK got to do with this thread ? I doubt what you say is true anyway. It's probably an exaggeration or a misunderstanding.

We are talking about North Nigerian fascists. Jailing a woman for 12 years over 50 bucks.

mafketis
15 Aug 2024  #656

thats just worse than the UK giving a man 20 months for posting his thoughts on Facebook

the wages of multi-culturalism.... police refocus from fighting crime to keeping a lid on inter-ethnic tensions.... completely predictable and just the start.
the cure is not to idealize some other kind of authoritarian rule but to put the demos back in democracy.

the russian case is why russia is losing.... it's a top down system that consistently punishes innovation and/or original and/or even just independent thinking... maybe that's attractive to a certain kind of collective mentality but it's at odds with anything needed to thrive in the world of today.

PolAmKrakow
15 Aug 2024  #657

@cms neuf
What is the difference between the UK and Russia when both instances are jaining someone for speech? One completely expected in a dictatorship, the other should never happen in a "democracy".

@mafketis
There wouldnt be any ethnic tensions if the UK leftist idiots didnt let in all the scumbags they let in. Surprise! Sweden, France, Germany, and the UK are the safe harbors of muslim exteemists. Enjoy.

Korvinus
15 Aug 2024  #658

In Russia you get arrested and fined for wearing blue and yellow shoes.

Mr Grunwald
15 Aug 2024  #659

this is another example of

It's just proof of how little power the public has over its head of state, the managment and decision makers in the U.S.

For a country that is based on everyone being equal in the eyes of God. There are a lot of men with A LOT of money calling the shots and doing as they please, it's a living contradiction that Americans go crazy from without being able to remidy it. As obtaining wealth is one of the hallmarks of a successful American

Novichok
15 Aug 2024  #660

In Russia you get arrested and fined for wearing blue and yellow shoes.

In the UK, you get arrested for posting offensive opinions. 3000+ a year are.

It's just proof of how little power the public has over its head of state, the management, and decision-makers in the U.S.

All Western "democracies" are that way.... soft dictatorships pretending to be "democracies" because every four years the gullible can vote for another group of party hacks.

In "communist" Poland, I was able to vote, too. I even had a choice between PZPR and its clone. That made "communist" Poland a democracy, I guess...


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