Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 13

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Why would not count?

Sure the bastards did. Not me personally or my family personally though. So what?

DO NOT say: Not me personally, but...

If this is your response, shove it up your ass...

Dear Russia, please ignore these morons. Sane Poles know the difference between mass executions, death camps, and genocide and what Poland was when the shooting stopped.

Your presence in Poland after WW2 was justified and actually welcomed. It prevented Poland from becoming Korea or Vietnam where millions died for "freedom and democracy" - a cute phrase for a couple of corrupt parties in the business of looting the lower 95%.

If you want to see how it works, visit "America".

Unfortunately Russians often change their minds. In the 90s they accepted that aiding Hitler in 1939 and murdering Polish officers in Katyń in 1940 was evil.

Under Putin wind of change started blowing and not only politicians, but also historians started to justify these Stalin's actions.

You mean, they don't wanna to be ruled by Kremlin again and suffer Holodomor, Katyn massacre, genocides, censorship, red terror and so on and have to endure harsh food rationing, Poland when was under Bolshevik occupation had km long bread queues while about a third of its population worked in farms. That is soviet inefficiency.

I do not have any personal grievances towards the Ruskies.
My hatred is more philosophical in nature. It is because what have been done to Poland, not to me in person.

They have kept Poland safe from the liberation by the US warmongers, Korea-style...

Dear USSR, I want to thank you very much for this, Palac Kultury, free medical care, free education, free apartment, and for staying out of sight.

I actually missed seeing your tanks, trucks, and your brave soldiers. I mean not even one...WTF? What kind of occupiers were you?

You filthy commie.... You degenerate...

So why did you emigrate to the US instead of the USSR in mid 1960s??? :):):)

He get on the wrong train.

Yes, it seems so. That is why he is so embittered today.... :):):)

They were not wanted by a large majority of Polish citizens..... they needed to leave and eventually they did.

Liking Russia and emigrating to the US is not an either-or proposition. One can do both.

Many Americans admire Russia and Putin and have no plans to visit - much less emigrate.


Communism is a wonderful thing from 0 to 24. Then you switch countries...

Exactly! Like you can be a man and a woman at the same time! Ha!!!

Since when is this a criteria? The world doesn't operate like Switzerland.

The people of Okinawa are extremely unhappy that there is a huge American base on their island. Until they were forbidden to leave their bases, American soldiers would occasionally rape a local girl, or damage property - creating huge local level scandals. Nobody cares, because the government of Japan has an agreement with the United States.

In Bahrain, a Sunni minority rules over a Shia majority. They also host a strategically important American base. During the Arab Spring, the locals protested - among other things - the American military presence. They were shot at by government security forces, and jailed en masse.

Osama Bin Laden's entire radicalization started from his feelings about American bases in the Holy Land, and this feeling is shared widely across the Muslim world - and yet Saudi Arabia doesn't care.

It shouldn't be there then. See! Now convincing the US government is beyond anything I can do, but I don't pretend that's a good situation.

I'm totally in favor of limiting US military bases to countries where a majority of the people want them. Poland.... wants them. Maybe not in an ideal world, but in a world where russia's zombie empire is trying to infect other countries.... yeah....

@mafketis

In general, you'll be hard pressed to find any locale which wants a bunch of 18-25 year old men to move in next door.

Rape, bar fights, and insulted senior citizens - comes with the territory.

If it's an economic basket case - maybe people will welcome it (like in Djibouti, whose business it seems is hosting military bases). But if life is more or less tolerable, such a thing will never be viewed favorably.

I don't mean 'enthusiastically happy about' I mean 'accepts enough to not protest'... if there are protests and/or referenda... then the base needs to scoot.

I'm in favor of what works (in providing for human flourishing and human freedom).

@mafketis

People had the right idea in the late 1940s. They wanted countries to hand over their nukes to a world government, like the UN, with international control over their use.

This was the famous Baruch Plan. There was also the Acheson-Lilienthal Report.

The plan died on the vine. The Soviet Union, which still did not have a bomb, but was very close - didn't want to sign up. The United States was not willing to voluntarily disarm itself.

If that plan went ahead, there wouldn't be a need for any military bases anywhere in the world. The United Nations would not be a toothless organization, but a feared one.

Nobody would invade anyone, and nobody would need to waste money on superfluous defense.

Poland should pay for them plus 100% profit.

The Moscow Times reported on Aug. 16, citing a survey by the Russian Public Opinion Foundation (FOM). As of Aug. 11, 25% of Russians expressed "outrage" over the government's actions. This level of discontent is just shy of the 26% recorded during the Wagner Group's uprising led by Yevgeny Prigozhin.

What are they outraged about?

Russians expressed "outrage" over the government's actions.

Abe said at the end of the Gettysburg Adress that the conclusion is that "government of the people, by the people, and for the people, shall not perish from the Earth"

What actions?

WTF are you rambling on about you lunatic? It never happened only in your F up mind. You F argue like an Arab.
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Ortodox Countries are just a freak accident. Naturally, they would be a part of the Eastern Roman Empire and speak Greek. However, some of them became separate countries they never meant to be due to history.
Quiet is the opposite of Catholicism which was designed to fit all manner of any nation country or tribe.

Hence Ortodox countries are crazy and crazy strange.

It's always the civilians suffering the most, aren't they! :(

Google-translation:

People looked like forest goblins": Apparently chaotic conditions during Russian Kursk evacuation - now Ukraine wants to help

In Kursk, evacuees are said to have been "swimming and walking through forests for 24 hours", eyewitnesses report. Now Ukraine is planning a humanitarian corridor.

tagesspiegel.de/internationales/menschen-sahen-wie-waldkobolde-aus-offenbar-chaotische-zustande-bei-russischer-kursk-evakuierung--jetzt-will-die-ukraine-helfen-12209960.html

Eyewitness reports from Kursk

There are currently all sorts of eyewitness reports and videos circulating on social media about the nature of these evacuations, showing chaotic conditions. Anton Gerashchenko, an advisor to the Ukrainian Interior Ministry, posted a video recording on X that is said to show an evacuated resident of the Korenewo settlement.

We have all been left behind.

Interviewed woman in Kursk

In it, a woman reports how the population was summoned to the local train station, where a train was supposed to be ready at five in the morning. "We arrived at the station, but there was no train. It had already left." In the video, the woman complains that the head of the settlement has disappeared without a trace. The local police authorities have only advised the population to run away. "We were all left behind," the woman criticizes.

In another video, shared by Gerashchenko on Thursday via X, a Russian resident is said to have reported on how Russian authorities organized the evacuation of civilians. A woman can be seen describing how she offered her help to people in a village during ongoing evacuations......

Ukraine making more gains in Russia, while Russia making swift gains in Ukraine. This is going to get very interesting before the end of the year. Z admits this is a strategy for peace talks yesterday as we suspected. Vlad is going to have to give up something to get this to end, and Ukraine already knows it cant push Russia out. More men needlessly killed on both sides each day.

I can only imagine how chaotic a North Nigerian evacuation would be - no working transport, drunk officials, no food or drink, bribe your way out etc

I would say I pity the civilians but they have strongly supported the war and Putler, so they can accept all the consequences

Remember, that's a country where you can vanish for years in a Gulag when they catch you supporting the "wrong" side....at least they didn't dance on the streets, mocking ukrainian victims, as Putin invaded....so I have some measure of pity for them!

If they wanted to they could depose Putler tomorrow

They don't want to - they genuinely see him as a benign father figure and think that anything that goes wrong will be fixed if only the Tsar knew about it.