Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 13

The innocent people are on one side.... as bobko was crowing here recently... all the soldiers there now wanted to go (in other words went int the name of killing Ukrainians)

russia has made it clear that it's going to kill a _lot_ of Ukrainians in any land that it controls.... how do you negotiate with that?

why do you negotiate with a side that has openly declared that it will break any agreement made?

Sure, any peace deal with Putin's government would be another Munich, and only a передышка for Russia before further aggression.

However, if stronger sanctions were imposed - including Russians residing abroad, families of Russian politicians, businessman etc., then maybe eventually Russians themselves would remove Putin from power and a deal with the new, democratic Russian government could be signed?

Strange ideas. I see that condomization of Europe continues.

Even higher local level advantages have been achieved. In Avdeevka, the Ukrainians were claiming they were outnumbered 10:1.

In any case, I don't think any serious person can believe Ukraine's claims of 1 million men under arms.

If they had 1 million men, they should have been easily able to rotate battered units out for rest and refit. Instead, most frontline units have been sitting at the front without rotation for more than two years.

I think it's more likely that 1 million men is the total number of persons that have gone through all military and security services throughout the duration of the war.

Define 'succeeding'.... even russians must realize by now that they're not wanted or needed in Ukraine and complaining about US help sounds like a burglar "And I would have gotten away with it if the neighbor hadn't tipped off the police!"

I guess 'success' would mean that Kyiv would look like one big Bucha...

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Take Left Bank Ukraine. What was always ours.

Put our man as president of the remainder.

Hypothetical question....Germany rearms....invades neighbour's to take back historically german territories (ja, I know...still..)....how should Moscow react?

How many Ukrainians did Russia kill in Crimea, you lying idiot?

Why should we react?

If those you were taking lands from were our allies, or treated us at least with respect... we would of course help.

We risked WWIII just to save our friend Assad in Syria. We went to great lengths to preserve the status quo in Libya.... but what happens in Central Europe does not concern us.

Who knows, we could even offer assistance :)

German tanks need fuel, yes?

Memo to morons: Stop killing Russians and they will stop killing you. Duh!


What German tanks don't need is German morons who sent German tanks to kill Russians. Stupid is too mild...
They forgot Stalingrad and Kursk, I guess...

No, they will still kill you but more easily, darling.

How many Ukrainians did Russia kill after they surrendered?

This question is for posters with brains. Polaks, keep quiet and mind your own damn business.

No it wasn't...... russia has never had property rights in the sense that westerners understand and as a former empire people are confused about boundaries but internationally recognized borders are more important than hurt russian feelings. What a bunch of crybabies....

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How do you ethnically cleanse Ukrainians when one third of ethnic Russians have Ukrainian ancestry or living Ukrainian relatives?

Much more fun to watch their growing disappointment at their EU and US daddies abandoning them, after listening to lectures for 30 years about how we orcs can stay in Asia while they go and build for themselves a white man's life in Europe.

Welcome back to Mordor, b*tches. We missed you.

Honor among thieves?

Heh :) Typical.

We have something called «понятия», or "understandings". These understandings do, in fact, come from the world of organized crime.

Ukraine's behavior has of course violated every single one of these understandings.

Now, as Kania says, they must try to harden their anus.

Did they have soft hearts? ;)

Anyways, what's your take on future Russia's plans? I mean after Ukraine. Putin says that he definitely doesn't plan invading a NATO country, so it looks like the invasion is certain (maskirovka and all that). How do you see the final outcome of NATO-Russia war?

Why not find out what the russian government is thinking..... they think it would be great to completely annihilate Poland and the Polish language (an idea bobko apparently thinks is inevitable)

You can love russian 'culture' but in its present form it will always hate you....

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To live and prosper, Russia needs sanctions removed. We can't continue forever in this mode, without falling hopelessly behind.

So I think there will be an attempt to ratchet things up to such a high boiling temperature, that a series of summits and conferences follow where a new understanding will be hammered out.

That is, currently the West is not ready to forgive us everything. They seem to be ready to let us have some 20% of Ukraine, but in exchange for us losing Ukraine forever. We can't accept this.

So, instead I think we will eventually take less, but keep proportionately more influence - and secure a lifting of sanctions.

What Boris Johnson wrote last week after talking with Trump is not a bad start.

Source: dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13652007/BORIS-JOHNSON-convinced-Trump-strength-bravery-save-Ukraine-end-appalling-war.html

It's of course supremely irritating that the one person who did the most to prolong this war, is now giving out sensible suggestions for how to end it... but that's politics.

This is the relevant section:

What would Russia get in return? Well, I believe there are all sorts of inducements that might work with Putin. He would, of course, be able to claim that the 'special military operation' - aka invasion - had been a success, and that he had de-Nazified Ukraine. There could be special protections for Russian language speakers.

Above all, with Trump in the White House, there is the real prospect of some global rapprochement with Russia, and with Putin, a return to the days when Russia was a respected partner of the G8 and even of Nato.

This would be a very bitter pill to swallow for Ukraine, who expect us to live like North Korea for another 10,000 years. But it at least is somewhat realistic in terms of inducements offered.

If you want Russia to take less of Ukraine, you have to practically normalize relations with Russia.

Otherwise, what's the point for us?

I don't think so. They didn't try to completely annihilate Ukrainian culture and language even during the USSR times. Quite the contrary, as far as I know, so why would they want to do that with the Polish language?


Oh, well. Call me an idiot but, even after all the Solovyov's and other propaganda dogs' buckets of sh*t poured on Poland, I still don't feel Russia has hostile plans towards Poland. My brain tells me one thing but my heart something completely different, so - as a true Slav - I'm going to tell my brain to eff off on this one and keep listening to my heart. :)

@Bobi

Thanks for the prediction. Very interesting!

How many Poles ended up dying for that belief?

Utter bollocks.

Maybe some Russian with a 5th grade education thinks you can Russify Poles, and erase Polish identity - but any person who opened a book once in his life knows that this is neither possible nor desirable.

I spent much time writing about Polish contributions to Russia. Since this is a war-related thread... I can say that one of Poland's main contributions to Russia has always been in the military.

The greatest military genius of Russia in the 20th century, was the tragically murdered Tuchachevsky. He raised the entire generation of Soviet war leaders that defeated Germany. Then there is Rokossovsky. Earlier there is Przhevalsky. The father of our space industry is another Pole - Tsiolkovsky.

Russians know Poles have wild bravery, even if slightly retarded.

The origins of Russian military greatness have much to do with input of brave Poles.

They know how to fight, and we always need such people.

@Maf

None so far. However, a lot of people may die if we allow ourselves to be used as a tool against Russia.


Thank you.

When we are together - nothing can stop us!

Heh :)

For the time being I will be quite content if the war ends without any further episodes in Europe. Then we can go back to normal relations and who knows what future may bring. If Green Khmers and other cultural marxists keep growing ever stronger in the West, and if they keep insisting on flooding Europe with all sorts of third world mixture, then Poland is bound to eventually go her own way, and then... who knows? History is a strange lady :)

Now I have to ask.....since History is a truly mad lady (sorry lady) there pops another hypothetical future question up.....Russia gets to chose allies....Moscow get's an offer from a rearmed Berlin and Warsaw....in the end of course stands the re-arrangements of borders and zones of influence, trade etc.......NATO and EU are done....which would/should it choose to get the most of the new age?

(all hypothetically of course...like some alternative history/future game:)

*gets the popcorn*

I'm not talking about the current russian aggression against Ukraine.....


No. That's over. russia has chosen the NKorean path.... it will be decades before any sane European country wants 'normal' relations with russia (which itself does not want 'normal' relations). Surkov doctine....

This is a dream)

We did wrong by the East Germans and Poles during the years of Communism. We made you participate in this ugly experiment. But there was a different Russia before, that did great things together with our German and Polish brothers.

A new and reinvigorated Russia, a new Poland, a new Germany - making the best of our combined strengths - that would make China and America **** its pants.