Brexit 2019 and Poland

Why not ? You make it work - it was your idea. I was perfectly happy in 2016 with the status quo.

I will be proactive and take my own actions to make sure it does not hurt my parents who are in the UK or my business or assets.

But the idiots in Sunderland and Mansfield can look after themselves - they own this and if they don't like moaning they better get used to it because the splits in British society will last for a generation - it won't really be resolved until all the main actors are retired - Gove, Farage, Corbyn, Boris etc, and that is still a good 20 years away.

And invest and risk your and your family money and time? Sorry Milo but most people and companies that have such options will be cautious and hold off until more is known. The big task of the government is to convince them to come back. The Chancellor resigning is not a good sign

What a terrible attitude........if you were one of my employees and took that attitude to a decision I had made that you didn't like, I would get rid of you.


No it isn't.Because they have not gone away.

That's nice but I'm not one of your employees and I haven't been anyone's employee for many years - so leave the benign dictator complex behind

Instead of moaning about negativity the leaders of this Brexit project need to show concrete steps they will take to protect the economy or to build a new one - but they are not doing that, instead they are wasting the first weeks with futile in fighting and childish politics. All this when they have just 10 months to complete negotiations, they're going to get absolutely rinsed when serious negotiation start as they are totally unprepared.

But there is no boss here. And why fire him when it seems he quit himself?

There has been many companies and people who hold off with any investments. Some will just move. Toyota was I think one example? Few banks... And that is for now Rest will depend on how the government will deal with Brexit. If the companies decide they will be better off on the continental Europe they will be gone in a sec.

Yes.But people at Nissan have leaked that they might close their plants in Spain and France and move production to their UK factory in Sunderland.

Some companies will inevitably move some staff to the continent, it has already happened.
But I don't think there will be that many.
I think that short term the UK economy will suffer a bit but long term all will be fine.
But Brexit was never about economics anyway.


Firstly, who are "the leaders of this Brexit project"?
The government are simply delivering on the democratic referendum result.
And although it is still early days there are very strong signs that the government is taking concrete steps to protect the economy.
What you call "Childish politics" is actually part of that and not childish at all.
But hey, you don't like the Tories, so anything they do will be bad in your eyes.

And what's your possition on Chancellor resigning so close to budget ? And the reason being that he was pressured to fire his advisors?

Who are the leaders of that ?

Boris and Gove - The Prime Minister and the deputy Prime Minister, both with the majority big enough to pass some sensible legislation now with Mogg able to manage the parliamentary process. They have no excuses, its their mess now and they can tidy it up

You can add to that Leadsom who was thankfully fired yesterday. David Davis - Nowhere to be seen after doing Sweet FA at the Brexit department for a few years.

IDS and Baker, all complete fruitcakes who will never be allowed anywhere near decision making . And of course Farage / He is in the best position of all as he could moan about whatever outcome is without having to do any work

In business, well there is the guy who makes vacuum cleaners and there is the long-haired guy from Wetherspoons but apart from that I'm struggling to name names.

As for yesterday will the chancellors resignation was not planned and forcing him into such a position only a few weeks before a very important financial decision is not mature at all. What business people want now is some kind of stability, which they had at least for a few weeks after the election but this is a backward step.

The stock market did dip when his resignation was announced but rallied again as soon as Rishi Sunak was announced as the new chancellor.
And Sajid Javid did have some poor ideas for the budget.
Clearly this was not planned but Boris is taking control so that he can push through some major policies.
I am optimistic for the future.

@cms neuf

Sir Jim Ratcliffe.

Yes forgot about him - but he was never really on any stages or rallies telling people how to vote.

Hasn't he left the Uk now ?

Yes.
Tax exile in Monaco :-(

And Dyson will be spending half his time in Singapore..........

I am surprised at seeing such names in the British government. Has the UK become .. err ... somewhat ethnically different from what it once was ?


Now, this is a name I would like to associate with a British government. The last one I was sort of familiar with was the government of Mrs. Margaret Thatcher.

- Prime Minister, why sell off North Sea oil?
- Gentelmen, we've been through this before.and you know the answer - nationalized industries do not make money!
- But this one does!
- Precisely. So it can't be a true nationalized industry which is why I'm selling it off.

It has not changed that much in my lifetime except for about a million Poles who have come her....... :-)

Thatchers chancellor Nigel Lawson was Jewish - from an immigrant family.

So it's just a generation gap - now the sons of hard-working Indian immigrants are successful in the UK and some of them will obviously do well in politics just as they do well in other fields.

Both Javid and Sunak were born in the UK.

Plus they are mostly from wealthy families and attended private schools.

Correct.Javids parents came from Pakistan and Sunaks from Africa, but his grandparents were from India.


Sunak is from a fairly well off family and was privately educated.His wife is from a very rich family.
Javid's dad was a bus driver and he went to a state school.
But yes, a lot of successful children of immigrants came from fairly wealthy families that came here and did well for themselves.

Not that it matters what their background is - if they are good they are good and that's it

I asked about the Chancellor because I believe that he did the right thing- either he is trusted to do his job and choose his adviser or he's not. To me he did the only honourable thing.

I agree.
I don't think he could do anything else.
He is ambitious and this shows that he has integrity.

Jews in England have assimilated to a greater degree than in nearly any other country I can think of! Their names, speech patterns, public dress have truly adapted more than in the US, certainly more than in New York City:-)

Once asked an ex-pat Jewish chap from London whether one could identify local London-born and bred Jews by any certain "foreign" aka "Yiddish"-like intonation which might readily distinguish them from their gentile neighbors.

He looked at me as though I had two heads and replied that in all his fifty-five years living in the UK, most of them within the sound of Bowe Bells, the only "accent' with which he was familiar and with which he grew up was the Cockney pronunciation of his parents. As regards his foreign-born grandparents, he said they might have spoken Yiddish within the confinds of their flat, but NEVER EVER in public!

In addition, he can never remember anyone in his family wearing a kipa, except at home.

I saw a large number of orthodox Jews in North-East London and they stood apart from the crowd. I approached one to ask him about holiday celebrations (I found out it was just a regular Saturday) and the guy looked at me like he wanted to run away but it was too late so he had to answer my question ;-)

I'll bet though he spoke English like a Londoner, not like an immigrant:-)
This is partially my point. Jews may well stand out by virtue of their facial appearance on occasion, but not by their speech.

Of course, Whitechapel had uncounted numbers of Orthodox wearing traditional garb.
But it seems to me that this New York character type such as Jack Klugman, Herschel Bernardi, identifiably "Jewish" characters, doesn't quite resonate in London as it would here.

Well, the only thing I remember is that he answered my question with a question...

Yes.... the level of assimilation is awe-inspiring....

telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/8326339/Inside-the-private-world-of-Londons-ultra-Orthodox-Jews.html

@Spike31, while answering a question with a question might well be perceived as a "Jewish" trait, perhaps indeed this is a language-interference issue taken over from the Yiddish:-)

Nice point, never thought of that!

Maf, I lived in north London for six years and I worked for a 'Jewish' company. There is a small number of super Orthodox Jews, concentrated around the Golders Green area. Other than that, they're just typical Londoners. There are some cultural differences of course that you observe if you mix with them, but no more so than any other group within British society. You certainly couldn't identify a Jew in the street by their appearance whereas you can easily identify a chav ie "anti-social lower class youth dressed in sportswear" :D

On this point, Lyzko is absolutely right.

I used to see Haredi in Stamford Hill when I was there. Haredis almost always live close together; it's expected that they walk to the synagogue rather than drive. Anyone else who's Jewish (I spent 13 years in a city with a longstanding Jewish presence), you wouldn't know about someone's ethnicity unless they volunteered the information.

I'm so sorry that happened to you....

As for the rest, yes, it sounds reasonable. I was just dunking on lyzko a bit (iinm he often doesn't take the very orthodox into account in discussions of jews)

I don't think you've been there, have you? I lived in Hampstead :))

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I've never had any desire to live (or visit) London.... it especially sounds very boring now.

In England I wouldn't mind visiting the Southwest coast or maybe Northeast of London Northfolk, the Fens.... and that's about it...

Yorkshire is nice, and in general the further north you go, the friendlier people are.

London? It's changed a lot now and the centre always seems busy however there are still some very interesting bits.