Brexit 2019 and Poland

...so, you expect Britain to break any treaty from the start?

Or why should Brussels agree to re-negotiate that mess what took so long in the frist place?

Re-negotiations would not start for ages.........everyone has had enough :-)
But once out,The UK will never rejoin The EU and so The EU will have to talk at least.

Hmmm...na ja...let's see :)

But anything could still happen......... :-)

Right now, it changes every few hours. May just lost a key vote, and the Speaker of the House confirmed that MPs won't be voting on her cockameemie 'deal' a third time, having rejected it twice.

And Labour are allegedly whipping for the vote about running a proper referendum....

What he actually said was that to get a third vote something has to be changed,it can't just be exactly the same deal.

I don't know if that is possible.

There is no vote for a second referendum per se. I presume you mean the Kyle amendment jon, which means that any Brexit agreement has to be ratified by a referendum?

Yes. Labour are apparently going to whip for that, with a handful of brexitmaniacs expected to rebel.


He has the right (and duty) to say that. It would be very difficult for the government to get round Erskine May on that point. The only way they could is by putting a different deal (which they ain't got) to the vote.

The smartest move would be to aim for a soft Brexit and then hold a second referendum about rejoining the EU once the Baby boomer generation is no longer nunerous enough to influence the outcome in 10-15 years.

The Common Market Plus option is the most sensible for that, however that won't satisfy either brexitmaniacs or those who want to remain in our EU.

Probably would not satisfy the EU either as it includes an idea that the UK could have some say on future trade deals with 3rd parties

So, now May has promised to quit if they pass her deal. Insanity.

Right now, the ERG fanatics are very well aware that a no-deal would end some of their political careers. Even those who survive will come out badly (if we leave or don't) in the inevitable Public Inquiry.

Good news that Donald Tusk (restoring humanity's faith in Donalds) spoke well today at our European Parliament.

No. It is not insanity from her point of view. And I am amazed that you support Brexit Delph - have you washed your hands of mother country? May has promised to quit simply because she can buy votes from the ERG by so doing.

Luckily for everyone who was brought up to be honourable and have some concept of ethics, May's scheming is bound to fail, and she will be consigned to the dustbin of history as Britain's worst ever prime minister. And Britain is more likely than ever to remain.

No, I don't! The insanity is that Brexit has come down to internal Tory deal-making and wrangling. The end result will be a deal being adopted that no-one wants, all because of a small group of MP's.

Will be no Brexit. Keep the faith. May's deal will not pass. Common market 2 or Corbyn's custom's union are a poor compromise

What I cannot comprehend is how a woman with such a soft voice as Angela Leadsom can in fact be such a biatch. PS: Member of the ERG or not, I admire Steve Bakers' integrity. But one would expect nothing less from the son of the esteemed Richard Baker.

I think you are probably right here,though only a fool would predict what will happen with any certainty.
But I still think Britain will leave,one way or the other,simply because democracy in this country depends on it.
If we don't leave,thousands,perhaps millions of voters will never vote again.
And that may well bring us a Marxist government.....and then none of this will matter anyway.
If Corbyn is ever elected,just watch all The Poles leave.....

Don't be bloody daft. Poles love a social handout or two. And anyway, it's the Tories that are xenophobic - not Labour.

Not only is that insulting to Poles in The UK,who are obviously a breed apart from those still in Poland.
It is just not true.
The Poles in The UK now share more in common,in attitude,to The Poles that came here after the war than with their brethren back home.

My wife spent 5 years in the UK with me, and she is not a demented union jack waving xenophobe. And I would like to think that most Poles in the UK would share that view and vote Labour.

You know it makes sense!

Doug,look into the communist background of most of the current Labour party.
They are dangerous and unelectable.
Only under 25's would vote for them......not enough.....unless Brexit puts many of the rest off voting.

Yes I agree. Corbyn could have reinvented himself, but whereas Michael Foot was an highly educated genious, Corbyn has learned nothing. I wouldn't be voting for him, but for the principle.

Not sure that I would go that far,but, even though I disagreed with his politics,intellectually, he was in a different league from Corbyn.

I read somewhere that Foot had an IQ of 160..... quite a few in the house would have difficulties breaking the 120 mark I would have said.

LOL!!!
Quite a few would struggle with the 100 Mark!
I'm thinking Boris and Diane.......Boris,although well read and educated has a particularly low IQ I have read.
But as we all know,IQ is not the best measurement of intelligence.
I passed the Mensa test......so there is your proof..... :-)

I wonder how these people get to top universities? I include the media in this. The DUP have just declared, as I predicted in an earlier post, that the backstop is an irrevocable threat to Union for them, and they will never support May's deal while the backstop exists. Both Sky News' political journalist and the Guardians' chief reporter took this to mean the DUP would be abstaining.

Now - as other posters have cruelly pointed out, I might be a sandwich short of a picnic sometimes but you don't need a high IQ to realise that the DUP are going to vote against May's deal, as Nigel Dodds indeed confirmed.

Maybe I should have been an analyst in another life. I can talk bullshite just as well as this media gang.

LOL,we all can Doug and to be honest most people do......not just on this forum but on social media across the internet.
Maybe we should all learn not to take ourselves so seriously all the time and occasionally,just occasionally,laugh at ourselves. :-)

Confirmatory vote defeated.

For: 268

Against: 295

The closest result was for Customs Union - which would be only marginally better than May's deal, as we would have deals fixed by the EU (good) but would have no say in making them.

Not one of the indicative votes were passed tonight.
This farce just gets worse.....parliament is like a headless chicken,dead but still running around.....

Maybe on reflection that status quo was not so bad eh ?