Brexit 2019 and Poland

The thing to do is to look at those which came closest to passing and also to note that there is very little support for leaving with 'no deal' and not enough support for revoking Article 50. That leaves you with these two options as the most popular:

A Brexit deal which must include, as a minimum, a commitment to negotiate a permanent and comprehensive UK-wide customs Union with the EU - Defeated 272-264

Confirmatory referendum to approve Brexit deal before it is ratified by parliament - Defeated 295-268


Boris is an interesting case because he seems to have been genuinely quite academically able. He won scholarships left, right and centre, including his entry to Oxford and he managed to graduate with an upper second. They wouldn't have given him that if he didn't merit it, he would have been given the old 'gentleman's degree' and shunted into a job in the foreign office "They're sending me to China for a year, hope I don't come back slitty eyed!".

Boris is no fool, he's just very good at pretending to be one. He speaks French in public, he got the King's Scholarship to Eton and more.

His problem is that some of the Tories are well aware that he's a political opportunist.

I was referring to all these politicos, including the aforementioned Sky News journalist. They come up with some poor crumbs. Must do better.

Now that May has gone for the rather obvious, but desperate ploy of separation of the withdrawal agreement from any political content, Corbyn has to threaten his troops with removal of the Labour whip if they vote for May.

I don't think they will, in any numbers - possibly that 15 strong mad northern mill town gang, led by Mann et al, but I can see a 50 plus defeat for May tomorrow with her dirty plan of trying to pin the blame on Labour if there is no Brexit. The DUP have already rebuffed her, so that's 10 nil for a kick-off.

Defeat for May's motion tomorrow means election of British MEPS (very probably) and the end of her plans for a hard Brexit. Here's hoping!

I'm not convinced. The DUP will vote against because they (correctly) perceive that the backstop will never end, but I think she'll lose by a much smaller margin than that. The DUP seem to be pretty convinced that she's going to lose, though.

That doesn't matter.
It is the legal default if they can't find another way forward.
And at the moment,they can't.

I suppose the problem is that there's a majority for constant short delays, which the EU has had enough of.

To be honest, at this moment, if May doesn't win tomorrow, then she needs to put a proposal to the table where the UK will stay in the EU for another year while calling for a new election. It's the only way out of this mess in the short term.

I promise if England does Brexit it's going to be exposed!

So you're suggesting that a great many Labour MPs are going to vote for Brexit, even though 70 percent plus of Labour voters are Remainers? Shocking, if true.

That is true.


Where did you get that from Doug?,it is not borne out by the Labour constituencies that voted leave.

Some professor of politics or something from a red brick university on the Eddie Mair show on LBC radio around 16:45 GMT (you can access the catch-up programme from the Global radio app . The LBC presenter didn't pull him up on it so I'd say it was likely to be gospel, wouldn't you? I mean , if you can't trust a prof for your statistics, who can you trust?:) :)

The problem is that some Labour constituencies are really hardline leave - for instance, Blackburn. What do MP's do if their constituents are screaming for Leave and Labour is against it?

Yeah,I trust Eddie as a fair presenter,so maybe it is true,but I'm still surprised.

Will PM May's upcoming resignation in any way alter the BREXIT strategy which has failed thus far? If so, looks to me from across the Pond, as though Boris Johnson might have a damned good shot at becoming the new PM!

What say you all?

I think he has blown it,he had his chance when TM was elected,but I don't think Tories will support him now.

Thanks for your insight, Milo!

It is only my opinion Lyzko,don't hold your breath......anything could still happen....it's utter,embarrassing chaos.....

Sure, only difference is, you're over there and I'm not! That's the key point here, I think:-)

Your opinion is as valid as mine in this nightmare..... :-)

Nightmare is right! I don't know how the lady sleeps at night, tell youse the truth!

Can't recall practically any other PM who's caught such hell, simply for following her instincts.
When ya think of ol' Teflon Maggie back in the '80's and that Falkland thing, it would have ruined the political asperations
of any other politician, but not Maggie.

May makes one booboo of a miscalculation and it's off with her head.

Maggie was a different creature.....oh how we miss her now........that will bring out the lefties..... :-)
Maggie was like Marmite,there is no inbetween....only love or hate.....

The witch destroyed much of the British industrial base, and you miss her? Ding dong ...


There's Vegemite.

Oh, Maggie was a Reaganite, dyed-in-the-wool, no question about that! Were she living in the States, she'd be a Trumpist for sure.
In Britain, she'd probably be a Farage supporter.

It's important to understand that reformed church is right, and warnings letters are precise

Translation, please.

Don't waste your time mate.....a bagel,as we all know,is round and with a hole in the middle.....
The image currently in my mind is not pleasant....and smells....

Tell us about it. (As I hold my noseLOL)

Here is an excellent interview with German economic sociologist Wolfgang Streeck on the structural problems with the awkward dinosaur known as the EU...

spiked-online.com/2019/03/29/the-eu-is-an-empire/

He has some especially choice words on the British left: "there is no left in Europe and the United States that is more demoralised and defeatist than the pro-EU left in the UK" and then he gets a little mean....

Of course there are a 1000 things you could reform with the EU. The same as with the US, the Polish state, Warsaw Urzad Miasto etc.

But at the moment it is difficult to argue that the British political system is outperforming the EU - dysfunctional chaos, naked self interest and party interest and unable to hold together 4 countries who all speak English and all eat fish and chips and drink beer.

Compare that to the EU that has been speaking and acting with one voice, was prepared for negotiations, knew the outcomes it was seeking and had a strong dedicated team to negotiate it.

Milo - you are obviously an experienced and smart guy but you voted for this - as well as believing Boris will give you 350 million a week, you also think Dirk is a millionaire and Rich a doting grandad in suburban Illinois so you win the Polish forums gullibility prize for 2019 :)

Now time for a mid morning snack - was going to have a bagel but I have been put off it LOL :)

The whole point of the article is that it _can't_ be reformed or changed... or respond to changing circumstances or the specific needs of specific countries which aren't in line with core agenda...


Is there any evidence that the EU 'negotiated' at all? Negotiation implies modification of the original stance to find common ground... has the EU changed anything from its initial position?

I agree that the UK parliament has been in high meltdown mode and a general embarrassment to humanity over the last several weeks, but it's impossible to simultaneously be sharpening the knives to use against the leader, getting ready to jockey for position after the PM is deposed and represent the will of the citizenry at the same time.

He he fair enough - I need to read it before commenting

Has the EU negotiated - well they allowed an extra 11 days so the UK could get the required chemicals to clean its water and they will keep the airports open so it's not too bad. Sadly the UK politicians want to use the 11 days for a leadership contest