Brexit 2019 and Poland

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As it turns out, it was a French government agency using a europol application, if article 13 passes (no indication it won't) it will mean the end of this kind of public domain archive


With no airforce it will be limited in ground operations and the likely intention is to put down citizen unrest (as in France) with an international rather than national force.. Still on board?

I can't believe that.....

The only thing blatant is your accusation that my question What was the number one reason why the pro-exit Brits voted for Brexit? was blatant.

Your prior knowledge of my views is irrelevant. My question stands alone. The only problem with it is that you found it inconvenient to answer.

Dictatorial conservative governments are perfectly capable of doing that on their own. I do see your point though. Those thug Madrid police only compounded the hatred in Barcelona and we certainly cant have other states policing us.

Which is precisely why we are stronger together. I don't suppose you can grasp this Mafeketis, being American and all, but it's only 4 or 5 generations since Napoleon was overrunning the whole of Europe.

A simple little corporal with his murderous intent tried to upstage this, but Napoleon still takes the cigar. A standing pan European army is for the common good and will eventually come to pass - though not in my lifetime.


Was that you clearly have an agenda. I am British and Brexit affects me and my retirement. And I resent your biased questioning. I prefer to deal in tangible realities. One of which is that the referendum was flawed, skewed, illegally funded, and the final decision needs to go back to the people.

If people then really are for Brexit, then fine. But we all know what the result will be.

The Euro army will never be there to protect member states but to disarm them. Just as the cops here are not to protect the citizens but to disarm them. With the average response time of 11 minutes, they are useless.

Remember that certain countries don't like rivals; a united Europe with a single economy and a united military would be the world's principal superpower.

What about China and it's asian bloc minions?

In a future world of economic and military blocs I would put them on top...and be it only because of size and population!

I'm more of an isolationist and a big fan of the old idea 'good fences make good neighbors', not into empires (which can't be built without mass disenfranchisement and major repression) And a united Europe can't be built without mass disenfranchisement and repression either...

A tasty morsel in the future world of huge economic and military blocs...

China will be the other. Hopefully with very good relations.


They form anyway. Better the ones you want, rather than the ones you don't want.

Who cares how much they repress the Chinese as long as they sell their cheap cr@p?


It's attitudes like that that made it so hard to get rid (and stay rid) of slavery....

Nah...we will be natural rivals...and those have to clash, there will be no way around it!

That's business; and right now China make everything and invest in the rest.

Hey, you're not Polish, nothing stops you from becoming Russian or what have you, so chin up.


Yes, that the main reason, plus general dissatisfaction with the ruling calls - a big F Y To the man. I guess otherwise there would be about 25 to 30 % of the people voting for leaving the EU./

It was the beginning (or marked a new stage of growth) of citizen rebellion against the prevailing neoliberal consensus where conservatives try to reduce everything to monetary transactions and progressives turn their attention to weakening and destroying any institutions that oppose the process

americanmind.org/features/winning-the-new-irrepressible-conflict/trump-vs-libertarian-multiculturalism/

One of their favorite tools: flooding and balkanizing the natives with foreign garbage in the name of whatever fits. Many small, poor, and antagonistic groups are always easier to control and play against one another than an affluent and monolithic block of educated whites.

According to the Lord Ashcroft Polls, 49% of voters said "the principle that decisions about the UK should be taken in the UK".

Yeah.....and the history of the white people between each other is such a peaceful one...especially in Europe. Manno...all that love being shared...two millennia and nothing but kumbaya!!!

Those were wars. I am talking about the ruling elites playing minorities against each other by helping them claim victimhood. Like the Democrats do in the US.


Decisions about WHAT? How eggs should be sold? In tens or twelves? Or some other such bs?
Why is everybody from the UK evading and avoiding. Normal people don't know and don't care where decisions are made. They care WHAT is decided.

One reason we need our EU; united we stand, divided we fall.

And American companies would be circling like sharks the moment we left...

I have bumper sticker like this.


So far, the economic predator has been the EU. Then came Trump who said (not the exact quote): f*** you, Euros, and your tariffs. Which, of course, immediately made him the worst American president in the history of mankind. As opposed to the mulatto guy, who was the best ever.

He managed it without that.


How can a country be predated by itself?

I have the idea the EU is becoming more and more a source of division rather than unity... (the cost of ever increasing amounts of integration that disproportionately benefit one part of Europe at the expense of another...

I doubt that...seriously.

Just look at our history. The EU had been created on the ashes of WWII. The time since its foundation was the most peaceful period in Europe since ages. Any time with the EU can't be possible worse than the millennias of war and destruction without it....

There will probably never be a time without bitching and infighting in Europe, we Europeans are to diverse for that, and we a are not known for being peaceful in the first place...but at least the bitching happens now mainly over tables and not over trenches.

It's almost funny that for the answer to my simple question I had to go back to the US.

Forbes explains why the Brits wanted out:

1. Economics. Quote: Opponents of the EU argued that the EU failed to address the economic problems,.. for example, 20% unemployment in southern Europe. Translation: Brits got sick of supporting deadbeats like PIGS.

2. Immigration. Quote: The immigration crisis in Europe was a trigger. Translation: too much brown and Muslim scum with more coming.
3. Political elitism. Quote: Voters thought the elite had contempt for their values-for their nationalism and interests. Translation: none needed.

So my question was easy to answer. Instead of "do it yourself", I got again all that crap about being biased. Like it was relevant to why the Brits voted for Brexit.

Does it has a poll or a survey or any statistical facts as source?

There are iindividuals (who hope to make money from instability in the markets) who do their damndest to make that so; they have plenty of useful idiots to assist. Generally, Europe is a source of unity rather than disunity, no matter howmuch demagogues try to stir this up.


Quite. We should be so careful not to confuse the democratic process with the disunity and rivalry of the past.

Eventually, I have to stop somewhere. Forbes is good enough for me.
forbes.com/sites/johnmauldin/2016/07/05/3-reasons-brits-voted-for-brexit/#77b61c271f9d

So...he pulled his OPINION out of his ass and you believe him because it fits you...

I bring NUMBERS and STATS sourced on a SURVEY and you dismiss it because you don't agree with its findings.

See a problem? :)

Merely to the information gathered in the UK.

Three separate surveys/opinion polls conducted around the time of the referendum asked Britons why they voted the way they did.

YouGov found that the top reason for voting Leave was 'to strike a better balance between Britain's right to act independently, and theappropriate level of co-operation with other countries' ranked first by 45% of voters.

Lord Ashcroftt found the top reason was 'The principle that decisions about the UK should be taken in the UK', which was ranked first by 49% of Leave voters.

The British Election Study team asked their respondents an open-ended question just prior to the referendum, namely 'What matters most to you when deciding how to vote in the EU referendum?' The top answer was 'Sovereignty/EU bureaucracy'.

Anyone familiar with the UK has heard the old 'we're fed up of the EU telling us what to do' complaint. It's been going on for decades. Even in comedy, it was always a theme.

youtube.com/watch?v=rvYuoWyk8iU