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Brexit 2019 and Poland



dolnoslask
18 Jan 2019  #61

Your take on the situation suggested that we need to register again or get some "stamp".

Lets debate this draft law rationally, I have read this document in original Polish and the latest transcript I posted above is a fair translation.

After reading it and discussing it with a lawyer friend it is a process for people who CURRENTLY hold residency documents, hence it states clearly that in effect this is a re-assessment of current residents "favourable" decisions and the right to appeal any negative decision.

Now the upshot is ( my legal bud agrees) that in effect current British residents will be re-assessed and may not be automatically be allowed to stay in Poland.

It may be the case that some current residents have committed crimes or are considered a potential threat to Poland, will no longer have their stay protected under European law, and so Poland will be free to choose who stays, and in some cases to remove those individuals (negative assessment) from the country even if they have been resident for years.

It is very clear that British citizens living in Poland with residency documents will not have an automatic right of stay.

"After receiving a positive decision, the person concerned will obtain a residence card with a special "Brexit" annotation"

Interesting and worrying don't you think?

delphiandomine
18 Jan 2019  #62

in effect current British residents will be re-assessed and may not be automatically be allowed to stay in Poland.

The process is never automatic. Under this law, the renewal will be treated as if the person is applying as an EU citizen, so nothing much will change there.

Where the problem lies is if someone didn't bother to register themselves until now - quite a few idiots will have ignored their obligation to do so, and they'll have to apply as a brand new non-EU citizen rather than one that already had registered before. Even if they get the application in today, I doubt it'll be processed in time.

have committed crimes or are considered a potential threat to Poland, will no longer have their stay protected under European law

They were never protected. The right to deny people for being a threat to Poland always existed. Committing crimes doesn't disqualify you from getting a residence permit, even as a non-EU citizen, unless you've been sentenced to (I think...) more than 12 months in prison.

The "potential threat to Poland" is rarely used in practice.

dolnoslask
18 Jan 2019  #63

The process is never automatic.

Thanks Delph that was the point I was trying to make people are going to have to do more paperwork to confirm the paperwork they already have and get a new "BREXIT" stamped document.

Oh I agree there are those here who thought it a good idea to live in Poland , under the radar as to put it lol.

What about those who did't bother to renew their temporary stay documents when they expired, oh dear oh dear

I thought the 12 months prison ruling was European might be wrong need to take a look.

delphiandomine
18 Jan 2019  #64

Oh I agree there are those here who thought it a good idea to live in Poland , under the radar as to put it lol.

It's the most stupid thing anyone can do. I've got zero sympathy for them, as the law was clear. I did everything by the book, got citizenship and haven't had any concerns since then.

I thought the 12 months prison ruling was European might be wrong need to take a look.

I've checked, and it seems that it can only be denied if you're actually detained at the time of applying. Otherwise, you're in the clear, even if you've been in prison in the past.

dolnoslask
18 Jan 2019  #65

It's the most stupid thing anyone can do. I've got zero sympathy for them

Me too, especially if they avoided paying their fair share of taxes.

P.S the article below might explain a reason why a Brit might wish to live in Warsaw even with the 7 months of cold weather. I wouldn't move to London even for 3x salary as you suggested. Britain has changed allot since you were there, shame the people will not have an option to move to a safe country like Poland post brexit.

Terrifying moment cowardly thug squirted 'acid' in faces of clubbers then fled yelling homophobic insults as he and his gang are jailed for a total of nearly 60 years

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6606087/Terrifying-moment-thug-squirted-corrosive-liquid-faces-clubbers.html

They attacked the people because they were gay!!!! crazy nut jobs wanting to impose their foreign ideals and religion on the people of Britain.

Dougpol1
18 Jan 2019  #66

they avoided paying their fair share of taxes.

That would be the Polish family I know who run a chicken farm. Every Brit I've ever met got a PESEL as soon as they landed, and anyway I've had three differnet S.C.s for 20 years now and have no worries on that score. And I'm deffo not going to be standing in some sad queue in Kato begging to have my ID card stamped, seeing as there is nowhere to stamp a Polish ID card anyway.

Stop scaremongering people please Dolno. It smacks of xenophobia.

the article below might explain a reason why a Brit might wish to live in Warsaw even with the 7 months of cold weather

I don't dislike your persona dolno or anything like that, but you have caught the Adrian disease. He clearly lacks an education.
What is your excuse? Are you seriously saying that Brits who are not here for strictly personal/family reasons or as corp hirelings would in any way at all prefer a post communist Warsaw over London? The mind boggles.

dolnoslask
18 Jan 2019  #67

Stop scaremongering people please Dolno. It smacks of xenophobia.

Have you read the Draft Law?, this has nothing to do with me being Xenophobic, gay christian, muslim coomie or Nazi, Stop with your projecting'

Read the draft Law it clearly states that you will have to queue or do whatever it takes to get a new piece of Paper with BREXIT stamped on it. If you can't read and understand it ask Delph who seems to have a grasp of what is intended.

Sorry Doug as it stands you and others will be in the Queue and it has nothing to do with me it's down to the draft law , they have also stated that they will be employing 40 more people to deal with this matter.

Please debate and discuss the bill, not me personally, this is the third time I have told you.

prefer a post communist Warsaw over London? The mind boggles.

For very many professionals it does not matter where they are based geographically to make money, they either work online or need to travel the world as I did, so for many a home city is just a base for the wife and kids to live in safety.

Yeah I would live in Warsaw rather than be shot or have acid thrown into my face just because some urchin wants my watch,car or phone.

Warsaw has an opera house theatres, schools,Airport, and some good restaurants enough said.

So why don't you go to London if you think it is so great compared to post commie Poland that you chose to live in.

Dougpol1
18 Jan 2019  #68

Please debate and discuss the bill

Well - seeing as there is not going to be Brexit, the point is mute. And anyway, there is a 2 year period until these threatened changes take place. I for one would not be bothering to take the state up on their kind offer of more bureaucracy. They already have my fingerprints, so that will have to do them.

So why don't you go to London

Lived in London for 10 years. Too old for that now. Relocating to northern climes, cheaper, prettier countryside, and great beer too:)

dolnoslask
18 Jan 2019  #69

Well - seeing as there is not going to be Brexit, the point is mute.

great now we are talking Doug, you might be right it may not happen or it maybe a number of years before it happens if ever.

But don't you see the sinister side of this bill, there will be people walking around with bits of paper setting them apart from others.

Would Britain do the same to resident Poles?

P.S I am not bothered at all about British living or wishing to live in Poland, there are only 6000 resident here, hardly any problem with that is there?

Oh I also read that it would cost 28 mil zloty to do all this, hardly worth it for 6000 peoples?

johnny reb
18 Jan 2019  #70

They already have my fingerprints, so that will have to do them.

They will soon have your face recognition too if you decide to fly on certain airlines.
Delta is already DEMANDING it !
Soon coming to ALL airports and airlines.

Relocating to northern climes, cheaper, prettier countryside, and great beer too:)

LOL - gees Doug, you, dolno and I are showing our age aren't we.
Funny how a guys priorities change as you gain wisdom.
I said way back when in a generation or two Poland will be the oasis of Europe and I will say it again.
Like Alaska is for the U.S.A.........the last frontier for common sense.

Dougpol1
18 Jan 2019  #71

Would Britain do the same to resident Poles?

Absolutely not. That's why I can't see Poland doing anything of the sort. When the police scan my "EU" ID in the darkest scenario of the future they would see "Non European resident. And what would it matter anyway? I would either have broken Polish laws, or not... the law is the same for all ( well.....nearly all - maybe not not for Prince Philip - no blood alcohol reading..........mmmmm...)

dolnoslask
18 Jan 2019  #72

That's why I can't see Poland doing anything of the sort.

Which begs the Question why Poland an Europe are wasting taxpayers time and money drafting these things if they aint gonna do it?.

Dougpol1
18 Jan 2019  #73

showing our age aren't we.

I bloody am. I huddled down to the pub for the quiz last night (car, no beer) and my pals thought I was walking with the aid of a stick! Now where in the cupboard did I put those jogging shoes?:)

Which begs the Question

Because it's all down to "democracy". The people voted for Brexit and if we don't deliver, it's a betrayal of democracy, say the career politicians ( who want to keep their seats in parliament)

The only problem is, apparently the people have changed their minds. Which they are perfectly entitled to do (in a democracy) In the meantime, parliament cannot absorb this fact and has to carry on the merry-go round, with the three different factions:

1 Faction 1 - No deal Brexit
2.Faction 2 - May's deal or softer Brexit
3. Faction 3 - People's vote or no Brexit.

bolek_tusk
18 Jan 2019  #74

Relocating to northern climes, cheaper, prettier countryside, and great beer too:)

Not Yorkshire by any chance....

Tacitus
18 Jan 2019  #75

a lonely place judging by the comments below the video with ALL of them in support.

A typical echo chamber. You'll find videos that support Remain and that have exclusively comments that agree just as easily. No doubt many Brexiteers are now searching for reassurance, because they now realize that all arguments for Brexit are no longer plausible. Many of them probably realize that they made a mistake, but instead of admitting that they were stupid, they attack others.

. If I am wrong and you have the evidence that he, in fact, is a racist, produce it.

The video gives you plenty of evidence, his view of the EU and foreigners is so simplistic that one can not help but question his intellect. He has eaten up the Brexit propaganda and like many Brexiteers when presented with facts, he doesn't acknowledge them, he simply lashes out. It would be funny if people like him had not screwed over so many young people. Though I can understand why someone like you would sympathize with him, you seem to have a lot in common with him.

In fact, you disgust me

You have produced plenty of disgusting posts here already, so I am sure you can live with the feeling yourself.

Lyzko
18 Jan 2019  #76

Merged:

Will a Failed BREXIT Hurt Poland?



Even though PM May has her job still intact, we know that a BREXIT planned for March will be prohibitively costly for certain countries such as Germany.

What about Poland?

delphiandomine
18 Jan 2019  #77

It's bad news for Poland. The EU budget has to be renegotiated, and many of the wealthier countries are looking to cut back on the funding going to the poorer countries because they don't want to take on the cost of the British budget contribution.

In short, Brexit means that Poland will lose out significantly from the EU.

TheOther
18 Jan 2019  #78

prohibitively costly for certain countries such as Germany

What do you mean exactly? Exports? Funding of the E.U.? If the latter, there won't be much of a problem. Brussels will simply decrease the funds transferred to the net recipients.

delphiandomine
18 Jan 2019  #79

Which is indeed the plan. It's not Brussels though, but the net payers deciding among themselves that they simply don't want to fund Poland and others anymore.

Miloslaw
18 Jan 2019  #80

Why are they so loud and yelling all the time?

Old traditions.....that idiot shouting is John Berkow and he is a leftie that has done his best to stop Brexit.
He probably hates Farage....
I know,British politics is complicated......

Tacitus
19 Jan 2019  #81

the net payers deciding among themselves that they simply don't want to fund Poland and others anymore

And the current Polish was not exactly helpful here.

Slavictor
19 Jan 2019  #82

A marxist journalist waxes on about Corbyn not being true to his marxist roots.

From that ol' trusty Telegraph:

"Corbyn should never be forgiven by his Marxist friends for siding with big business against no-deal"

telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/01/19/corbyn-should-never-forgiven-marxist-friends-siding-big-business/

Miloslaw
19 Jan 2019  #83

You see,you are not understanding this at all!
The Telegraph is a right wing paper......they are taking the Pi$$
Best you foreigners keep out of politics in countries where you don't understand what is happening.
I don't post on Canadian politics for that reason.I suggest you do the same with British politics.

Joker
20 Jan 2019  #84

Old traditions.....that idiot shouting is John Berkow and he is a leftie that has done his best to stop Brexit.

I haven't a clue who these ppl are, however, it was all over the tube in the USA . They don't usually show British politics here. Only Royal rubbish:(

So, when a speaker is at the podium and states sth that the opposition doesn't like, suddenly someone shouts out an insult and then they all laugh hysterically and carry on for up to 10 minutes trying to burn up the clock on the speaker?

Its very interesting, this House of Commons, I like it!

If it weren't for that guy screaming Ordeeeeeeeeeeer!!! It could go on forever.

I know,British politics is complicated.

Its hard to imagine anything getting accomplished with all the yelling and insults, but hey, its no bowl of cherries over here either:)

Ironside
20 Jan 2019  #85

Absolutely not.

lol! Wanna bet? anyhow it already did after WWII.

drafting these things

What is that law about? Getting a gist of it from your post seems to me it is just a bureaucratic badly written law in response to Brexit. If I gather its intent correctly it suppose to give to the Polish gov a free hand in dealing with British citizens in Poland accordingly to the way t he Brits will deal with the Polish people in Britain after Brexit.

Most likely nought came of it in the long run.

It's bad news for Poland.

Nah, it is actually a good news. Maybe some people will stop naively expect that EU will solve their problems or 'give' them money. Hell, it might even persuade them to leave that German scam the EU is turning into.

jon357
20 Jan 2019  #86

A marxist journalist

In the Telegraph?

John Berkow and he is a leftie

John Bercow is a Conservative.

He probably hates Farage...

Millions do. The guy is scum.

Atch
20 Jan 2019  #87

Just for those who aren't aware, a car bomb went off at the Courthouse in Derry, Northern Ireland last night. The New IRA are suspected of being responsible and I imagine it's in response to the Unionist DUP party blocking the Brexit agreement.

rte.ie/news/ulster/2019/0120/1024360-derry-bomb/

johnny reb
20 Jan 2019  #88

a car bomb went off at the Courthouse in Derry, Northern Ireland last night.

Two kids in their twenties did it and have already been caught.
Nobody got hurt so no harm done, just a big mess.
Give the Lads at the Pub's something new to chatter about this week.

Ironside
20 Jan 2019  #89

they are taking the Pi$$

Still, Corbyn is a Marxist.

bolek_tusk
20 Jan 2019  #90

John Bercow is a Conservative.

From Wikipedia...

A former hardline right-winger who changed his views after becoming an MP and at one time was rumoured to be likely to defect to the Labour Party,


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