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Brexit 2019 and Poland



jon357
20 Jan 2019  #91

rumoured

Not much of a rumour since he's been an MP for over 20 years and not joined our Labour Party.

bolek_tusk
20 Jan 2019  #92

He seems to have more support on the Labour side of the aisle.... and his wife changed from being a right-winger to joining the Labour Party.

bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38891841

Also, being the speaker he is unopposed during the General Election so keeps his seat no matter what.

Miloslaw
20 Jan 2019  #93

@jon357"John Bercow is a Conservative"

Jon,you really are out of touch.

delphiandomine
20 Jan 2019  #94

He seems to have more support on the Labour side of the aisle

Not a bad thing. He does a pretty good job of taking into account the Commons as a whole. The Tories have a problem with Bercow because he isn't letting the government dictate the entire agenda for Brexit, which is reasonable enough when you consider that they've made an absolute mess of things so far. They don't have a majority for their plans, so what else can the Speaker do but allow MP's to have their say when the government's policy has failed? You believe in parliamentary sovereignty, don't you?

He's also very similar to Betty Boothroyd in terms of how he won't put up with nonsense from MP's, and he's not intimidated in the slightest by the government.

jon357
21 Jan 2019  #95

John Bercow is a Conservative"

Yes, although as speaker he has to be neutral, he's always been a Conservative MP.

He does a pretty good job of taking into account the Commons as a whole.

He's an excellent speaker, and does a good job of balancing the different approaches within parliament. As you say, parliamentary sovereignty which is intended in part as a check on any single party.

Dougpol1
21 Jan 2019  #96

I see that PIS just can't help themselves. The foreign minister has stuck his nose in to suggest that Varadker "is holding the EU to ransom" and suggesting a 5 year limit to the backstop mechanism.

The idea might have some travel, if it weren't an obvious ploy to get in May's good books.

Atch
21 Jan 2019  #97

I was just reading about that Doug on RTE's website:

rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/0121/1024581-poland-backstop/

Five men now arrested over the bomb in Derry and there have been two more incidents in the city. The Northern Ireland police are saying it doesn't appear to be connected to Brexit but it's a bit of a coincidence if it isn't. It seems to be a message to the British parliament - if there's any question of a border of any kind, we'll consider the Good Friday Agreement to be null and void and it's back to the bomb and the bullet.

delphiandomine
21 Jan 2019  #98

He's an excellent speaker, and does a good job of balancing the different approaches within parliament.

Yes, he's done a very good job of making sure that if May can't get the job done, then he's allowing parliament to have their say instead. Seems very fair, and shows that parliamentary democracy is alive and well.

message to the British parliament - if there's any question of a border of any kind, we'll consider the Good Friday Agreement to be null and void

Republicanism and Loyalism never really went away, and to pretend otherwise is naive.

There are plenty of people out there just waiting to take shots at British customs officers on the border, that much is sure.

Dougpol1
21 Jan 2019  #99

May and her scummy pals were planning a 65 pound charge for people to stay in Britain who had already been granted residency status. She has now been forced to backtrack and this charge has been scrapped.

As a documented resident here of 28 years I assume that any such scum effort by the Polish government to extract monies will also be scrapped. I definitely wont be paying a single zloty to them - no mark such as the Star of David for me thank you.

dolnoslask
21 Jan 2019  #100

I thought it but never posted it, uggh this is like the **** that was happening before WWII.

Bratwurst Boy
23 Jan 2019  #101

Brexiter Dyson leaves Britain for Asia (Singapore)? WTF???

He got what he wanted and now he runs??

RubasznyRumcajs
23 Jan 2019  #102

@Dougpol1
PR costs the same (so far) as settled status (used to do). I see nothing wrong with making sure migrants are registered and actually have their status sorted out.

plus, £65 is nothing when compared what non-EU migrants have to pay

Dougpol1
24 Jan 2019  #103

The 65 pounds charge has been scrapped, and quite rightly too. These people are already settled in the UK, and should not have been re-registered. As I am in Poland - so I would expect no charges here either - not that I am going to bother playing any stupid bureaucratic games to queue up yet again to "register," when I have 27 years of right of stay. Anyway, all the government is really concerned with is collecting taxes, so that will carry on as before, no doubt about that.

Ironside
24 Jan 2019  #104

ere planning a 65 pound charge for people to stay in Britain

Doesn't make a much of a difference doesn't ? If that monies would be used to hire some extra stuff to handles all those applications that wouldn't be a bad investment. On the other hand governments nowadays loose a lots of taxpayers money on BS because there is no accountability.

Republicanism and Loyalism never really

There is plenty of wackos out there with too much time on their hands and with same dumb ideas and semi-criminal connections.

Regardless of the way Brexit will impact the uk, Northern Ireland would be put on the spot by it, not a very stable place and just a little too much shaking can set all the place blazing.

Dougpol1
25 Jan 2019  #105

I watched Macron's speech in Lyon last night (well, on TV anyway...) It occurs to me that he is one of the few politicians who is talking any sense about Brexit - especially when he says referendums are a load of old cack and all you get is confusion.

Strange that the French hate the man - his policies might be unpopular but at least he is intelligent, doesn't lecture and harangue as May does, and actually engages, and doesn't continually smirk like a schoolboy who has just seen some dirty pictures (Duda).

I hope Macron's right about his take on things, that there will be a Brexit extension, so British MP's heads can be collectively tested to see if there is in actual fact any cellular matter in them.

johnny reb
25 Jan 2019  #106

I hope Macron's right about his take on things

Don't fall for it Doug as it will be a huge mistake for Europe.
Macron is doing nothing more then empowering a German led Europe.
He recognizes that Germany doesn't have strong leadership right now.
He knows Europe needs a powerful leader and he thinks he can do the job.
He thinks if he woos Germany then he will become the new Charlemagne.
Is that what you want !

Ziemowit
25 Jan 2019  #107

May and her scummy pals were planning a 65 pound charge for people to stay in Britain who had already been granted residency status

As a documented resident here of 28 years I assume that any such scum effort by the Polish government to extract monies

It is very interesting to see how you jump on the occasion to attack a Polish government for deeds having been done by a British government. You have instantly "assumed" thing being done by the Polish government and have just called them "scum efforts", even if no one in the Polish government would has ever been contemplating thing of that kind and has simply nothing to do with them.

I definitely wont be paying a single zloty to them - no mark such as the Star of David for me thank you.

Plus, you have instantly implied the "Star of David" in the imaginery actions of the Polish government. My God, what a strong anti-Polish obsession you must have and and what a sick imagination as well !

Miloslaw
25 Jan 2019  #108

The French hate him because he lied to them.
He is such a wonderful president that there have been violent protests all over France every weekend for weeks.
He won't get re elected.

Dougpol1
25 Jan 2019  #109

a strong anti-Polish obsession

A strong anti-PIS and anti ID card obsession.
Glad to have fixed it for you. Just because Poles seem to like being controlled, doesn't mean the rest of us enjoy it.

The French hate him because he lied to them.

There is that...We have to admire the French - they wont stand for it...unlike us British......:(

He knows Europe needs a powerful leader and he thinks he can do the job.

But Macron is a Frog? Doesn't he know his place? :) :)
I still think he's a bright chappie amongst the dross.

you have instantly implied the "Star of David" in the imaginery actions of the Polish government.

Do Keep up Ziemowit. There is talk of taking in right of stay cards and stamping them with "Brexit" - unless you are saying that's a wild internet rumour?

Nobody will be stamping my card with such, I can promise you that.

Ziemowit
25 Jan 2019  #110

Just because Poles seem to like being controlled, doesn't mean the rest of us enjoy it.

It is precisely the British who like to be controlled. Only in the UK an idea of

a 65 pound charge for people to stay

could have emerged. Never in Poland.

johnny reb
25 Jan 2019  #111

Macron stated that, "France loves Germany".
Germany is Europe's master, face it.
France wants to share that power.
That is why Macron is betraying Britain.
France is building up it's military to join Germany's.
They know that NATO is obsolete.
Did you know that the E.U. military budget is three times bigger than Russia's is.
France knows if you are going to run with the big dogs that you have to learn to **** high.
That is why they are empowering Germany and betraying Britain and the United States.
This move will come back to bite France in the ass down the road, trust me.

Miloslaw
25 Jan 2019  #112

Did you know that the E.U. military budget is three times bigger than Russia's is.

Yes.And where has all that money gone?

If Russia invaded Europe,The EU would struggle to defend.

johnny reb
25 Jan 2019  #113

If Russia invaded Europe,

And the way Europe has spit in the face of the U.S. military and Trump I would hope Trump would say, "You're on your own this time as WE have already saved your duppy asses twice from extinction only to be taken advantage of afterwards.

I bet the tune of showing no gratitude to America and Britain would change real quick if Putin decided to roll thru Europe just for shuts and giggles some week end.

Macron is making a HUGE mistake turning on Britain and the United States.

Dougpol1
25 Jan 2019  #114

Never in Poland.

I see what you mean. Mind you, an initial queue of 7 hours and then the necessity of a further visit to the Marshall's office ( and a further 5 hour queue) four months hence could only happen in Poland.

Never in Britain. And there was a token 50 zl charge.....

Ziemowit
25 Jan 2019  #115

Mind you, an initial queue of 7 hours and then the necessity of a further visit ...

Mind you, but everything bad which happens in the UK, you instantly turn around as if it happened in Poland as in your initial example of

a 65 pound charge for people to stay in Britain

And now, the 65 pound charge in the UK miraculously turn into a 50 zł charge in .... Poland!

there was a token 50 zl charge.....

My God, what a truly overwhelming anti-Polish obsession !!!

Bratwurst Boy
25 Jan 2019  #116

France is building up it's military to join Germany's.

I had to laugh at that....

There is not much to join! :)

Rich Mazur
25 Jan 2019  #117

If Russia invaded Europe,The EU would struggle to defend.

No, it would not. All the Russians would have to do is say "asylum". They would get a monthly check and a nice hotel room.

TheOther
25 Jan 2019  #118

And the way Europe has spit in the face of the U.S. military and Trump

turning on Britain and the United States.

Confusing things again, are we? First of all, Trump was the one who spat into everyone's faces first. Second, Britain turned against Europe and not the other way around. Third, the U.K. will once again end up as the poodle of the US after Brexit. This time though, they will not have the economic power of the EU behind them. They will be on their own and Trump will simply devour them. Trading by WTO rules like Mauretania? Good luck.

There is not much to join!

Don't worry. He also believes that NATO members have to pay the US for their safety. Like a mafia protection racket.

Bratwurst Boy
25 Jan 2019  #119

Sooooo cute! :)

*wipes tear from eye*

DEAR GERMANY:

thesun.co.uk/news/8258239/we-love-you-too-germany-but-still-want-brexit/

(But I have to object to the "Lederhosen"...nobody, really NOBODY outside of Bayern is wearing them, dammit!)

johnny reb
25 Jan 2019  #120

There is not much to join!

Germany has been working on an European army for years.
Most of the Dutch army has already been integrated into the German army serving in the panzer division.
Czech and Romanian armies have also agreed to join the German army.
Now we see France showing interest with Germany in building a European army.
How can you kids be so blind in denial ?


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